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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 21:51:54 GMT -5
Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
You are pretty far off the mark. I'm currently applying for colleges and Duke is consistently rated above half the Ivy League and features the best business school in the country. After the top tier of HYP and Stanford, Duke jostles around with UChicago, MIT and the rest of the Ivy schools for top ten spots. Berkeley is a public school, much larger, and better compared to Michigan and Virginia. Yeah, maybe by US News & World Report which has a pay to play ranking system. Even then Duke is not in the top 5, and as for Business schools they are not even the highest ranked in the ACC.....That would be UVa at #11 while Duke is listed at #14.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 4, 2015 21:58:48 GMT -5
Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
You are pretty far off the mark. I'm currently applying for colleges and Duke is consistently rated above half the Ivy League and features the best business school in the country. After the top tier of HYP and Stanford, Duke jostles around with UChicago, MIT and the rest of the Ivy schools for top ten spots. Berkeley is a public school, much larger, and better compared to Michigan and Virginia. Fuqua is an excellent B-School, but nowhere near the top.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 4, 2015 22:16:14 GMT -5
You are pretty far off the mark. I'm currently applying for colleges and Duke is consistently rated above half the Ivy League and features the best business school in the country. After the top tier of HYP and Stanford, Duke jostles around with UChicago, MIT and the rest of the Ivy schools for top ten spots. Berkeley is a public school, much larger, and better compared to Michigan and Virginia. It all depends on how you measure it. There is no single "best university". That being said, Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge, MIT -- these four top most international lists.
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Post by zenyada on Mar 4, 2015 23:35:40 GMT -5
Serious question... Isn't Duke the Stanford of the East? And would other PU's consider a degree from Duke or Stanford to be on the same level as the Ivy's? Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
Duke-Berkley equivalent, how? The University of California has 22 Nobel Laureates, Duke 1. Cal remains one of the top research institutions in the world by any number of metrics. It continues to attract top academic talent from around the world and it's extremely difficult to gain entrance. The Haas School of Business is one of the most respected in the US. When Duke reaches a 60+ year history of educating the Gordon Moores' and Andy Groves' of the world and is spinning out world changing companies like Intel who go on to nurture and grow a public-private relationship with the university that spawns decades of technological advancement; seeds a massive entrepreneurial culture; and becomes as a university a linchpin to the worlds largest venture capital community, then they'll be the equivalent of Berkley. Until then the Dukes, Vandys, NWs, and ND's will be excellent, highly selective regional schools that imo aren't in the same world class category in terms of assets, resources, or importance as Stanford, Cal, MIT, and some Ivies.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 4, 2015 23:41:58 GMT -5
Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
Duke-Berkley equivalent, how? The University of California has 22 Nobel Laureates, Duke 1. Cal remains one of the top research institutions in the world by any number of metrics. It continues to attract top academic talent from around the world and it's extremely difficult to gain entrance. The Haas School of Business is one of the most respected in the US. When Duke reaches a 60+ year history of educating the Gordon Moores' and Andy Groves' of the world and is spinning out world changing companies like Intel who go on to nurture and grow a public-private relationship with the university that spawns decades of technological advancement; seeds a massive entrepreneurial culture; and becomes as a university a linchpin to the worlds largest venture capital community, then they'll be the equivalent of Berkley. Until then the Dukes, Vandys, NWs, and ND's will be excellent, highly selective regional schools that imo aren't in the same world class category in terms of assets, resources, or importance as Stanford, Cal, MIT, and some Ivies. I like it. But as an alumnus of Cal as both an undergrad and Haas, I would gently point out that it's "Berkeley."
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 4, 2015 23:53:21 GMT -5
Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
Duke-Berkley equivalent, how? The University of California has 22 Nobel Laureates, Duke 1. Cal remains one of the top research institutions in the world by any number of metrics. It continues to attract top academic talent from around the world and it's extremely difficult to gain entrance. The Haas School of Business is one of the most respected in the US. When Duke reaches a 60+ year history of educating the Gordon Moores' and Andy Groves' of the world and is spinning out world changing companies like Intel who go on to nurture and grow a public-private relationship with the university that spawns decades of technological advancement; seeds a massive entrepreneurial culture; and becomes as a university a linchpin to the worlds largest venture capital community, then they'll be the equivalent of Berkley. Until then the Dukes, Vandys, NWs, and ND's will be excellent, highly selective regional schools that imo aren't in the same world class category in terms of assets, resources, or importance as Stanford, Cal, MIT, and some Ivies. Hell, I was trying to not offend her, so compared Duke to Berkeley and then you come in and piss on the parade. LOL
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Post by zenyada on Mar 5, 2015 0:18:31 GMT -5
Duke-Berkley equivalent, how? The University of California has 22 Nobel Laureates, Duke 1. Cal remains one of the top research institutions in the world by any number of metrics. It continues to attract top academic talent from around the world and it's extremely difficult to gain entrance. The Haas School of Business is one of the most respected in the US. When Duke reaches a 60+ year history of educating the Gordon Moores' and Andy Groves' of the world and is spinning out world changing companies like Intel who go on to nurture and grow a public-private relationship with the university that spawns decades of technological advancement; seeds a massive entrepreneurial culture; and becomes as a university a linchpin to the worlds largest venture capital community, then they'll be the equivalent of Berkley. Until then the Dukes, Vandys, NWs, and ND's will be excellent, highly selective regional schools that imo aren't in the same world class category in terms of assets, resources, or importance as Stanford, Cal, MIT, and some Ivies. I like it. But as an alumnus of Cal as both an undergrad and Haas, I would gently point out that it's "Berkeley." I feel so much better now. All these years and I thought I wasn't up to Cal's academic standards. That wasn't the case at all. It must be that admissions just never received my application in the mail. Thank you.
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Post by vballdad1 on Mar 5, 2015 23:46:26 GMT -5
All this debate about which is the "BEST" school makes me laugh. I believe we should be more concerned with which is the "BEST" school for your daughter. Honestly, if your daughter has her choice of any of these schools, I think she will be fine...
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Post by sulo on Mar 6, 2015 0:09:25 GMT -5
Hey Rocketman, UNC has not "just arrived". They have won 3 ACC titles in the last 10 years(Compared to Duke's 4 titles)) and have made 5 straight( and 6 of 7 years) NCAA tournament appearances. Hardly just arriving on the scene.
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Post by hammer on Mar 6, 2015 0:16:16 GMT -5
You are pretty far off the mark. I'm currently applying for colleges and Duke is consistently rated above half the Ivy League and features the best business school in the country. After the top tier of HYP and Stanford, Duke jostles around with UChicago, MIT and the rest of the Ivy schools for top ten spots. Berkeley is a public school, much larger, and better compared to Michigan and Virginia. It all depends on how you measure it. There is no single "best university". That being said, Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge, MIT -- these four top most international lists. Yeah, if you take Volleyball + Academics, Stanford is #1. If you take Rowing + Academics, Cambridge is #1. And if you take crazed obnoxious basketball fans + Academics, Duke is #1 ...
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Post by vbkid111 on Mar 6, 2015 12:04:11 GMT -5
Someone on the East Coast would say that.
I myself having grown up in the heart of ACC country, and having lived on the West Coast would say Duke and Berkley are more equivalent.
IMO Ivy's, MIT and Stanford at top for overall academics. Then schools like Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Berkley, and Notre Dame are not that far behind.
When you take academics and athletics into consideration Stanford is tops then schools like Duke and Notre Dame.
Duke-Berkley equivalent, how? The University of California has 22 Nobel Laureates, Duke 1. Cal remains one of the top research institutions in the world by any number of metrics. It continues to attract top academic talent from around the world and it's extremely difficult to gain entrance. The Haas School of Business is one of the most respected in the US. When Duke reaches a 60+ year history of educating the Gordon Moores' and Andy Groves' of the world and is spinning out world changing companies like Intel who go on to nurture and grow a public-private relationship with the university that spawns decades of technological advancement; seeds a massive entrepreneurial culture; and becomes as a university a linchpin to the worlds largest venture capital community, then they'll be the equivalent of Berkley. Until then the Dukes, Vandys, NWs, and ND's will be excellent, highly selective regional schools that imo aren't in the same world class category in terms of assets, resources, or importance as Stanford, Cal, MIT, and some Ivies. You might be mixing Graduate Research programs with strictly undergraduate college/university ratings/reputations here. Not sure if any of those Nobel Laureates have ever taught an undergraduate course in their respective lives, nor even interacted with an undergrad in any meaningful way.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Mar 6, 2015 12:10:44 GMT -5
Duke-Berkley equivalent, how? The University of California has 22 Nobel Laureates, Duke 1. Cal remains one of the top research institutions in the world by any number of metrics. It continues to attract top academic talent from around the world and it's extremely difficult to gain entrance. The Haas School of Business is one of the most respected in the US. When Duke reaches a 60+ year history of educating the Gordon Moores' and Andy Groves' of the world and is spinning out world changing companies like Intel who go on to nurture and grow a public-private relationship with the university that spawns decades of technological advancement; seeds a massive entrepreneurial culture; and becomes as a university a linchpin to the worlds largest venture capital community, then they'll be the equivalent of Berkley. Until then the Dukes, Vandys, NWs, and ND's will be excellent, highly selective regional schools that imo aren't in the same world class category in terms of assets, resources, or importance as Stanford, Cal, MIT, and some Ivies. You might be mixing Graduate Research programs with strictly undergraduate college/university ratings/reputations here. Not sure if any of those Nobel Laureates have ever taught an undergraduate course in their respective lives, nor even interacted with an undergrad in any meaningful way. I had two classes at Cal (one undergrad and one grad) taught by Nobel Prize winners. It's not unknown by any means at Cal.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Mar 6, 2015 13:26:01 GMT -5
Hey Rocketman, UNC has not "just arrived". They have won 3 ACC titles in the last 10 years(Compared to Duke's 4 titles)) and have made 5 straight( and 6 of 7 years) NCAA tournament appearances. Hardly just arriving on the scene. "Arrived" is a relative term I think. UNC has been circling the top of the ACC for a while, but this was by far their biggest break-out season. The question is, will they be able to duplicate that success? Just because they did it once doesn't mean it's automatically going to happen again.
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