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Post by Phillytom on Aug 11, 2015 11:50:24 GMT -5
Not to take anything away from Carlini, who is obviously special, but Hancock was more of an asset at the net as well. Her ability as a lefty to hit -- not dump, but hit on the second touch had a huge impact -- maybe as big an impact as her serve. That made it so much easier for the PSU hitters last year. Carlini is good at the net, and her dumps are intelligent but she's not a lefty and (perhaps because of her knee soreness) I don't think she has the quickness and jumping ability that Hancock had. I still can't quite believe Hancock getting passed over as B1G setter of the year last year. What a head scratcher. That probably helped PSU win the championship so it all turned out well in the end, but the choice didn't make sense to me at the time, and it still doesn't make sense. We saw a healthy Carlini go head to head against a healthy Hancock once last year, and it was no contest. Carlini is 6'2" with a great vertical. She makes something out of hitters who, playing with a different setter, would not be nearly as good. Micha was not deceptive, did not set with much speed and did not isolate hitters the way Lauren can. Lauren was actually third int he Big in service aces. She is not a slouch. Not sure how you measure leadership, which is intangible, but Lauren's got it. Your comment shows you don't understand the teams, the match-up and how to evaluate talent. If you watched the regional finals, you saw what a more mature Badger team could do in large part a result of Carlini. Had Lauren not suffered a high ankle sprain, would have been even closer. She is a better setter than Hancock; that's why she won. Oh geez, I am so tired of all this religion. If you'd seen the NCAAs, Hancock set a super fast offense when they needed it (see Stanford. See Megan Courtney). Every setter in VB is deceptive, reads defenses, isolates hitters -- that's what all setters are trained to do. That's what the position IS. Yes LC is a great conventional setter, great leader, very tenacious and smart. She has good size for a setter and is very good defensively at the net. She is a good server but not exactly going to dominate matches or force other teams to change defensive strategies or burn all their timeouts (let alone against top 5 teams in late round NCAA matches). Carlini is good with 2nd touch dumps but does not do anything like what Hancock or a Carli Lloyd or even Bugg could do on the 2nd touch. If you don't think Hancock's lefthandedness and 2nd-touch kill ability had anything to do with Penn State's hitting percentage last year ... well obviously you weren't watching and you apparently blotted the early season PSU-UW match from your memory. Finally, Carlini's setting has benefited the last two seasons from truly outstanding libero and DS play that gift wrapped perfect passes and transitions for her. The backcourt made Carlini look good every bit as much as Carlini made her hitters look good. I am SO impressed with how well Sheffield prepares a backcourt. If Badgers fans could stop worshipping LC for a few minutes they might notice how big a factor Morey was for them last year with her passing. She was extraordinary for a freshman.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 11, 2015 11:53:31 GMT -5
Carlini is 6'2" with a great vertical. She makes something out of hitters who, playing with a different setter, would not be nearly as good. Micha was not deceptive, did not set with much speed and did not isolate hitters the way Lauren can. Lauren was actually third int he Big in service aces. She is not a slouch. Not sure how you measure leadership, which is intangible, but Lauren's got it. Your comment shows you don't understand the teams, the match-up and how to evaluate talent. If you watched the regional finals, you saw what a more mature Badger team could do in large part a result of Carlini. Had Lauren not suffered a high ankle sprain, would have been even closer. She is a better setter than Hancock; that's why she won. Oh geez, I am so tired of all this religion. If you'd seen the NCAAs, Hancock set a super fast offense when they needed it (see Stanford. See Megan Courtney). Every setter in VB is deceptive, reads defenses, isolates hitters -- that's what all setters are trained to do. That's what the position IS. Yes LC is a great conventional setter, great leader, very tenacious and smart. She has good size for a setter and is very good defensively at the net. She is a good server but not exactly going to dominate matches or force other teams to change defensive strategies or burn all their timeouts (let alone against top 5 teams in late round NCAA matches). Carlini is good with 2nd touch dumps but does not do anything like what Hancock or a Carli Lloyd or even Bugg could do on the 2nd touch. If you don't think Hancock's lefthandedness and 2nd-touch kill ability had anything to do with Penn State's hitting percentage last year ... well obviously you weren't watching and you apparently blotted the early season PSU-UW match from your memory. Finally, Carlini's setting has benefited the last two seasons from truly outstanding libero and DS play that gift wrapped perfect passes and transitions for her. The backcourt made Carlini look good every bit as much as Carlini made her hitters look good. I am SO impressed with how well Sheffield prepares a backcourt. If Badgers fans could stop worshipping LC for a few minutes they might notice how big a factor Morey was for them last year with her passing. She was extraordinary for a freshman. I saw the NCAAs in person. I am a setter and setting coach worshiping Carlini. Badger fandom comes second. Never said lefthandedness had no relation to kill percentage or ability to isolate hitters. Don't want to argue, because you'll never convince me Hancock has the setting skill Carlini has. Now back to big ten 2015 thread...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 12:30:11 GMT -5
Carlini is 6'2" with a great vertical. She makes something out of hitters who, playing with a different setter, would not be nearly as good. Micha was not deceptive, did not set with much speed and did not isolate hitters the way Lauren can. Lauren was actually third int he Big in service aces. She is not a slouch. Not sure how you measure leadership, which is intangible, but Lauren's got it. Your comment shows you don't understand the teams, the match-up and how to evaluate talent. If you watched the regional finals, you saw what a more mature Badger team could do in large part a result of Carlini. Had Lauren not suffered a high ankle sprain, would have been even closer. She is a better setter than Hancock; that's why she won. If you'd seen the NCAAs, Hancock set a super fast offense when they needed it. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. "Super fast? ?" Hancock was really, really good at following a game plan, not making in-match adjustments, reading opposing defenses, and deceiving blockers. I think that's a very fair statement. Lloyd or Bugg?? Bye @ any hope this post had of logical thought. No offense. Morey was a junior... are you sure you know what you're talking about? And it's funny you mention Carlini having an excellent libero, but fail to mention Gonzalez, who was one of the most underrated players in the country. It's very difficult to take anything you've said seriously.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 11, 2015 12:44:14 GMT -5
Hmmm...I wonder if I started a B1G 2016 thread whether it would still devolve into a Carlini vs Hancock debate.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 11, 2015 12:46:36 GMT -5
Hmmm...I wonder if I started a B1G 2016 thread whether it would still devolve into a Carlini vs Hancock debate. I think the 2017 one would too.... I tried to redirect, it didn't work, and now the thread is making both Lion and Badger fans look bad.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 11, 2015 13:08:32 GMT -5
If you read many posts from badger fans, you will realize that we actually value our back court quite highly. The strength of the backcourt defines our style of play in many ways. Getting back to B1G 2015, as others have stated, I think the badgers will be OK in the backcourt this year with Bates and Morey returning. Based on Sheff's prior evaluation of MacDonald, and given Dilly's coaching touch , I am assuming she comes up to speed quickly as the main DS. We may actually be stronger this year than last in that area. How do the other teams in the B1G look in the backcourt? PSU has some big losses there. Who steps up...and how long will it take to come up to speed? Are there historical precedents to draw from? What about the other teams? Illinois looks to be virtually unchanged and should be strong. How does MSU deal with losing Moster? Any likely improvements or challenges this year for the other teams?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 13:13:05 GMT -5
Let's all move one, shall we? Maybe talk about Poulter vs Carlini now.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 11, 2015 13:26:52 GMT -5
Hmmm...I wonder if I started a B1G 2016 thread whether it would still devolve into a Carlini vs Hancock debate. I think the 2017 one would too.... I tried to redirect, it didn't work, and now the thread is making both Lion and Badger fans look bad. Debate does not = bad. Lions and Badger fans spending a few comments discussing what's been discussed 1000x and off topic = bored with topic, but not bad. To make sure you and other Lion and Badger fans DON'T look bad, I promise, from this point forward, to: - never to stray from the topic listed in the conversation, even if others do so. - never bring up the name of Micha in vain - keep conversation fresh, new and exciting after a too-long off season and way too many hours spent on this website - always listen to my elders
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Post by tclenpsu1 on Aug 11, 2015 13:29:33 GMT -5
Well, whoever wins the NC, keep it in the B1G. May be this is the year Carlini and company will beat Penn State
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Post by Disc808 on Aug 11, 2015 13:48:16 GMT -5
I think PSU has too much firepower and will not lose to Wisconsin... Depends on the setting and passing of course but I think PSU will still be better especially with Wisconsin's youth
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Post by craftylefty on Aug 11, 2015 13:49:02 GMT -5
Let's all move one, shall we? Maybe talk about Poulter vs Carlini now. How about how SSS is going to be the 2015 AVCA Player of the Year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 13:58:39 GMT -5
Let's all move one, shall we? Maybe talk about Poulter vs Carlini now. How about how SSS is going to be the 2015 AVCA Player of the Year. How about you lay off the acid and just stick the booze, crafty? She's a great player tho!
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 11, 2015 14:13:14 GMT -5
Could she be Big Ten FOTY? I think it's possible.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 11, 2015 15:54:29 GMT -5
Could she be Big Ten FOTY? I think it's possible. In one respect, she is well positioned to do so. Minnesota has more room for improvement than do other teams. If they really improve over last year, it will be easy to assign that change to SSS. For Poulter and Hunter to make such an impression, their teams may have to win the B1G, seeing as they were near the top last year. That's a harder ask. Lot of young setters in the league means that things could really change as the season gets on and they adapt and grow. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 11, 2015 16:07:59 GMT -5
Could she be Big Ten FOTY? I think it's possible. In one respect, she is well positioned to do so. Minnesota has more room for improvement than do other teams. If they really improve over last year, it will be easy to assign that change to SSS. For Poulter and Hunter to make such an impression, their teams may have to win the B1G, seeing as they were near the top last year. That's a harder ask. Lot of young setters in the league means that things could really change as the season gets on and they adapt and grow. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. Hunter is a redshirt sophomore, so she's not in the hunt. B1G FOTY? Poulter, Smith, Foecke, Swenson, others?
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