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Post by gogophers on Mar 30, 2015 10:26:50 GMT -5
I fully agree. It doesn't appear PSU gets many front row players from the west coast or Stanford gets many front row players from the east coast so it has continues to be an East - West rivalry. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Foluke, Bugg, Burgess, Mcnamee, Murphy......... Add Floridian Janet Okagbaa to the list of East Coast Stanford recruits. If memory serves, she was ranked 2 or 3 in her class by prepvb.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 30, 2015 10:30:04 GMT -5
Foluke, Bugg, Burgess, Mcnamee, Murphy......... Add Floridian Janet Okagbaa to the list of East Coast Stanford recruits. If memory serves, she was ranked 2 or 3 in her class by prepvb. Bryn Kehoe too. And PSU had players from OK, CO, TX, CA in the rotation last year. Both teams recruit nationally.
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Post by MTC on Mar 30, 2015 10:58:29 GMT -5
I fully agree. It doesn't appear PSU gets many front row players from the west coast or Stanford gets many front row players from the east coast so it has continues to be an East - West rivalry. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Foluke, Bugg, Burgess, Mcnamee, Murphy......... Point noted - it looks like PSU player development continues to trump their losing top recruits to Stanford and probably Texas too.
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Post by gogophers on Mar 30, 2015 11:07:59 GMT -5
Add Floridian Janet Okagbaa to the list of East Coast Stanford recruits. If memory serves, she was ranked 2 or 3 in her class by prepvb. Bryn Kehoe too. And PSU had players from OK, CO, TX, CA in the rotation last year. Both teams recruit nationally. I thought we were talking front-row players only. DS's are seldom highly ranked, probably aren't the subject of recruiting wars so much, and seem (just an impression) to be much more willing to travel out of their home region to play than the top recruited front-line players. PSU definitely recruits well from Colorado and caught a break when Hancock re-considered, but I think Stanford and Texas are the only schools that can be fairly described as successfully recruiting nationally. When was the last time PSU had a front-line player from either of the states with the largest number of players, California and Texas?
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Post by MTC on Mar 30, 2015 11:10:29 GMT -5
Add Floridian Janet Okagbaa to the list of East Coast Stanford recruits. If memory serves, she was ranked 2 or 3 in her class by prepvb. Bryn Kehoe too. And PSU had players from OK, CO, TX, CA in the rotation last year. Both teams recruit nationally. Not so much when talking about front row players.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 30, 2015 11:18:20 GMT -5
Bryn Kehoe too. And PSU had players from OK, CO, TX, CA in the rotation last year. Both teams recruit nationally. I thought we were talking front-row players only. DS's are seldom highly ranked, probably aren't the subject of recruiting wars so much, and seem (just an impression) to be much more willing to travel out of their home region to play than the top recruited front-line players. PSU definitely recruits well from Colorado and caught a break when Hancock re-considered, but I think Stanford and Texas are the only schools that can be fairly described as successfully recruiting nationally. When was the last time PSU had a front-line player from either of the states with the largest number of players, California and Texas? PSU just picked up a commitment from Texas....... Even if they didn't, you couldn't say PSU's recruiting is less national because they recruited a player out of Oklahoma and not Texas. Recruiting about 3 front row players a year means you're not going to tick off every state, especially when there are more than enough talented players close by. PSU's front-row list (CO, FL, NC, OH, NJ, IL, IN, MI, WI, KY, OK) is pretty broad. And pulling the backrow talent they do (who turned out to be pretty good) should definitely be a factor.
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Post by MTC on Mar 30, 2015 12:43:56 GMT -5
PSU front row list : OH,IL,WI,NJ,KY,CO,PA. That looks like regional recruiting, not national recruiting. If RR had the recruiting watershed area of TX or CA I can only imagine the teams he would have developed.
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Post by MTC on Mar 30, 2015 12:51:57 GMT -5
Burgess and Bugg are from East Coast.
IMO Stanford and PSU don't compete for the same players on a regular basis unless that player is a top 25 recruit and is also an exceptional student. Stanford has to focus on players they think can get admitted to Stanford which seems to eliminate a a decent amount of top players (they still may be smart and have great grades, but do not meet Stanford's criteria for acceptance).
They compete quite often, if not on most kids. The exception of course being the kid Stanford doesnt feel they can get into school. Very few players on either roster the past ten years, that they both didnt go after on some level. Now they may have been out of the running early, but they most certainly battle for kids, both coaches would confirm that. Players planning on going to Stanford string the other universities along until they get accepted at Stanford, I certainly don't consider that much of a battle but perhaps you do. Maybe Salima will have some impact.
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Post by jsn112 on Mar 30, 2015 13:13:13 GMT -5
PSU front row list : OH,IL,WI,NJ,KY,CO,PA. That looks like regional recruiting, not national recruiting. If RR had the recruiting watershed area of TX or CA I can only imagine the teams he would have developed. I agree that Stanford gets "more" recruits from nationally than Penn State, but that doesn't mean Penn State doesn't get kids nationally. Penn State has gotten recruits from Colorado, Florida, Puerto Rico, Oklahoma, etc., and those areas are not "regionals." However, Stanford can get recruits from NC or Florida, but I don't ever remember any big time recruits coming from California to Penn State. This recent commitment from Texas is the first that I can remember. All of this, I meant the front-row players, not ds and liberi. This is why I didn't get my hope up for Sun or Plummer. But I am open to be surprised.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 30, 2015 15:40:03 GMT -5
Bryn Kehoe too. And PSU had players from OK, CO, TX, CA in the rotation last year. Both teams recruit nationally. I thought we were talking front-row players only. DS's are seldom highly ranked, probably aren't the subject of recruiting wars so much, and seem (just an impression) to be much more willing to travel out of their home region to play than the top recruited front-line players. PSU definitely recruits well from Colorado and caught a break when Hancock re-considered, but I think Stanford and Texas are the only schools that can be fairly described as successfully recruiting nationally. When was the last time PSU had a front-line player from either of the states with the largest number of players, California and Texas?[/quote] who cares?
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 30, 2015 15:53:44 GMT -5
PSU front row list : OH,IL,WI,NJ,KY,CO,PA. That looks like regional recruiting, not national recruiting. If RR had the recruiting watershed area of TX or CA I can only imagine the teams he would have developed. What a silly statement. Have you even followed recruiting lately? Firstly, while many top recruits and recruits in general come from California and Texas, PSU's "regional" footprint, whatever that means, is not working with chop liver. The talent is in the Midwest/east, it's the #1 reason the Big 10 has risen to the top of college volleyball top to bottom. In any given year, the number of top 25 recruits coming out of the east/midwest (PSU's "regional" footprint) is at least equal to, more often greater than what CA and Texas is producing. Also, wouldn't the reverse of your comment ALSO be true? What if Fawcett, Hodge, and Brown went west to Stanford? would PSU have won 4 straight? no.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 30, 2015 16:24:53 GMT -5
PSU front row list : OH,IL,WI,NJ,KY,CO,PA. That looks like regional recruiting, not national recruiting. If RR had the recruiting watershed area of TX or CA I can only imagine the teams he would have developed. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. They recruit players hard from everywhere including Texas and CA. A top tier kid from either of those places in most cases will go to Texas or Stanford if they meet admission requirements.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 30, 2015 16:26:52 GMT -5
They compete quite often, if not on most kids. The exception of course being the kid Stanford doesnt feel they can get into school. Very few players on either roster the past ten years, that they both didnt go after on some level. Now they may have been out of the running early, but they most certainly battle for kids, both coaches would confirm that. Players planning on going to Stanford string the other universities along until they get accepted at Stanford, I certainly don't consider that much of a battle but perhaps you do. Maybe Salima will have some impact. Salima has already been there. A kid who wants to go to Stanford is going to go to Stanford if they can get in. PSU and Stanford have battled hard for the same kids for years, and will continue to do so.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 30, 2015 16:30:07 GMT -5
Bryn Kehoe too. And PSU had players from OK, CO, TX, CA in the rotation last year. Both teams recruit nationally. Not so much when talking about front row players. Washington and Hancock didn't play front row?
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Post by MTC on Mar 30, 2015 16:35:38 GMT -5
PSU front row list : OH,IL,WI,NJ,KY,CO,PA. That looks like regional recruiting, not national recruiting. If RR had the recruiting watershed area of TX or CA I can only imagine the teams he would have developed. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. They recruit players hard from everywhere including Texas and CA. A top tier kid from either of those places in most cases will go to Texas or Stanford if they meet admission requirements. What you should be saying is they try hard to recruit front row players from TX and CA but have little success so they have to rely on traditional regional recruiting.
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