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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2015 0:45:01 GMT -5
I really don't think I've ever seen whining about one single player, so much. No one is doing this with Logan Tom, and she is way more well rounded than Hooker and will always be one of my favorites. Or Heather Bown, another one I miss... very interesting. I think initially the reaction to Logan not continuing with the National Team was at least equally as intense. It was always understood that by the time Rio came, Logan's ability to contribute, particularly in terms of offense, might be diminished. Larson's success internationally has perhaps ameliorated some of that concern, but Hooker's point scoring is such an obvious advantage that keeping her off the team is still puzzling.
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Hooker
Apr 18, 2015 2:12:39 GMT -5
Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 18, 2015 2:12:39 GMT -5
I really don't think I've ever seen whining about one single player, so much. No one is doing this with Logan Tom, and she is way more well rounded than Hooker and will always be one of my favorites. Or Heather Bown, another one I miss... very interesting. I think initially the reaction to Logan not continuing with the National Team was at least equally as intense. It was always understood that by the time Rio came, Logan's ability to contribute, particularly in terms of offense, might be diminished. Larson's success internationally has perhaps ameliorated some of that concern, but Hooker's point scoring is such an obvious advantage that keeping her off the team is still puzzling. I remember a time when everyone was bashing Logan for partying during the Olympics. She was the reason for the bad showing and she was too much of a diva.
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Apr 18, 2015 4:52:50 GMT -5
Post by ballervolley on Apr 18, 2015 4:52:50 GMT -5
here's a piece of the puzzle everyone! Yes....its sure is. A player that had time to advise a future player and took the time to do so, giving advice on what skills to work on, etc. That bastard. lmfao all this over an autograph and some advice. oohh let me write a letter and get some advice and maybe i will be drinking the kool aid too. haha
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Apr 18, 2015 7:21:14 GMT -5
That's great coming from you. Great comeback Sun. Look Holiday, saying a point is cowardly without ever addressing the foundations of the argument doesn't mean you get a pass. You're exactly who I had in mind when I wrote this. And let it be known that it's you who brought in the idea of institutionalized racism. I'm not going to even go there. I'd like to echo other sentiments that until we have an official statement from Karch and DH we have no real idea what happened. You're letting your personal biases shape your perceived understanding of what happened. In the spirit of Game of Thrones: You know nothing, HolidayHusker.
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Apr 18, 2015 8:44:27 GMT -5
Post by bkedane on Apr 18, 2015 8:44:27 GMT -5
Look Holiday, saying a point is cowardly without ever addressing the foundations of the argument doesn't mean you get a pass. You're exactly who I had in mind when I wrote this. And let it be known that it's you who brought in the idea of institutionalized racism. I'm not going to even go there. I'd like to echo other sentiments that until we have an official statement from Karch and DH we have no real idea what happened. You're letting your personal biases shape your perceived understanding of what happened. In the spirit of Game of Thrones: You know nothing, HolidayHusker. Why would we have to have an "official statement" to know what happened? Can't we know what happened based on conversations with involved parties?
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Hooker
Apr 18, 2015 12:23:56 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 12:23:56 GMT -5
Yes....its sure is. A player that had time to advise a future player and took the time to do so, giving advice on what skills to work on, etc. That bastard. lmfao all this over an autograph and some advice. oohh let me write a letter and get some advice and maybe i will be drinking the kool aid too. haha This is just a sad post. How old are you?
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Apr 18, 2015 12:32:52 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 12:32:52 GMT -5
Look Holiday, saying a point is cowardly without ever addressing the foundations of the argument doesn't mean you get a pass. You're exactly who I had in mind when I wrote this. And let it be known that it's you who brought in the idea of institutionalized racism. I'm not going to even go there. I'd like to echo other sentiments that until we have an official statement from Karch and DH we have no real idea what happened. You're letting your personal biases shape your perceived understanding of what happened. In the spirit of Game of Thrones: You know nothing, HolidayHusker. It is cowardly Sun because the entire team are of women, right? Using your lightweight argument does not apply in this case. Personal bias? I have made a judgement based on their track records. Its quite simple. That is what we all do when making judgements about people's character. I watched Karch play and coach. Competitive and passionate? Yes! Obnoxious and hard to play with? NO. Destinee? What I have seen is a big ego and poor sportsmanship on numerous occasions both in college and on the national team. Based on this when it comes down to who I am going to believe then I don't think I need to tell you which one that is but please....continue the Destinee fan club. Its always interesting entertainment.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2015 13:39:46 GMT -5
Look Holiday, saying a point is cowardly without ever addressing the foundations of the argument doesn't mean you get a pass. You're exactly who I had in mind when I wrote this. And let it be known that it's you who brought in the idea of institutionalized racism. I'm not going to even go there. I'd like to echo other sentiments that until we have an official statement from Karch and DH we have no real idea what happened. You're letting your personal biases shape your perceived understanding of what happened. In the spirit of Game of Thrones: You know nothing, HolidayHusker. It is cowardly Sun because the entire team are of women, right? Using your lightweight argument does not apply in this case. Personal bias? I have made a judgement based on their track records. Its quite simple. That is what we all do when making judgements about people's character. I watched Karch play and coach. Competitive and passionate? Yes! Obnoxious and hard to play with? NO. Destinee? What I have seen is a big ego and poor sportsmanship on numerous occasions both in college and on the national team. Based on this when it comes down to who I am going to believe then I don't think I need to tell you which one that is but please....continue the Destinee fan club. Its always interesting entertainment. I'm not a big fan of Destinee's behavior off the court in general either, but I'm not sure what your argument actually is. Are you under the impression that she's not on the National Team because of her off-court behavior (or her personality or style--however you want to describe it)? The reason she's not on the National Team boils down to an inability to communicate. A coach with better communication skills (and I'm not talking about being able to discuss volleyball) could have handled this situation in a way that benefitted everyone without compromising his authority or standards. Before you accuse me of not having any standards, you should know that off court behavior is and has been a much bigger issue with the Men's National Team dating back to even before Karch's time on the team. Destinee's behavior doesn't even compare to some of the goings on on the men's side, and that is why some of us feel that Karch's stance on this is somewhat hypocritical.
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Hooker
Apr 18, 2015 14:08:20 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 14:08:20 GMT -5
It is cowardly Sun because the entire team are of women, right? Using your lightweight argument does not apply in this case. Personal bias? I have made a judgement based on their track records. Its quite simple. That is what we all do when making judgements about people's character. I watched Karch play and coach. Competitive and passionate? Yes! Obnoxious and hard to play with? NO. Destinee? What I have seen is a big ego and poor sportsmanship on numerous occasions both in college and on the national team. Based on this when it comes down to who I am going to believe then I don't think I need to tell you which one that is but please....continue the Destinee fan club. Its always interesting entertainment. I'm not a big fan of Destinee's behavior off the court in general either, but I'm not sure what your argument actually is. Are you under the impression that she's not on the National Team because of her off-court behavior (or her personality or style--however you want to describe it)? The reason she's not on the National Team boils down to an inability to communicate. A coach with better communication skills (and I'm not talking about being able to discuss volleyball) could have handled this situation in a way that benefitted everyone without compromising his authority or standards. Before you accuse me of not having any standards, you should know that off court behavior is and has been a much bigger issue with the Men's National Team dating back to even before Karch's time on the team. Destinee's behavior doesn't even compare to some of the goings on on the men's side, and that is why some of us feel that Karch's stance on this is somewhat hypocritical. Argument? I don't need an argument You either trust the coach or not. None of us know the details but you would never exclude someone of her calibre and talent unless it was something very significant. A coach that is hired to win games knows that. Karch is not an idiot. Its quite simple.
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Hooker
Apr 18, 2015 14:10:02 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2015 14:10:02 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Destinee's behavior off the court in general either, but I'm not sure what your argument actually is. Are you under the impression that she's not on the National Team because of her off-court behavior (or her personality or style--however you want to describe it)? The reason she's not on the National Team boils down to an inability to communicate. A coach with better communication skills (and I'm not talking about being able to discuss volleyball) could have handled this situation in a way that benefitted everyone without compromising his authority or standards. Before you accuse me of not having any standards, you should know that off court behavior is and has been a much bigger issue with the Men's National Team dating back to even before Karch's time on the team. Destinee's behavior doesn't even compare to some of the goings on on the men's side, and that is why some of us feel that Karch's stance on this is somewhat hypocritical. Argument? I don't need an argument You either trust the coach or not. None of us know the details but you would never exclude someone of her calibre and talent unless it was something very significant. A coach that is hired to win games knows that. Karch is not an idiot. Its quite simple. Yes, it's true, most idiots are simple.
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Hooker
Apr 18, 2015 14:12:34 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 18, 2015 14:12:34 GMT -5
Argument? I don't need an argument You either trust the coach or not. None of us know the details but you would never exclude someone of her calibre and talent unless it was something very significant. A coach that is hired to win games knows that. Karch is not an idiot. Its quite simple. Yes, it's true, most idiots are simple. Tell me volley....if Destinee wasn't incredibly talented would we be having this discussion? I thought so.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2015 14:20:27 GMT -5
Yes, it's true, most idiots are simple. Tell me volley....if Destinee wasn't incredibly talented would we be having this discussion? I thought so. You are correct. If she weren't talented, no one would likely care. But the value in making someone an example is measured by the value of the example, and the rule Karch chose to enforce wasn't the best measure of his standards.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2015 14:35:46 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Destinee's behavior off the court in general either, but I'm not sure what your argument actually is. Are you under the impression that she's not on the National Team because of her off-court behavior (or her personality or style--however you want to describe it)? The reason she's not on the National Team boils down to an inability to communicate. A coach with better communication skills (and I'm not talking about being able to discuss volleyball) could have handled this situation in a way that benefitted everyone without compromising his authority or standards. Before you accuse me of not having any standards, you should know that off court behavior is and has been a much bigger issue with the Men's National Team dating back to even before Karch's time on the team. Destinee's behavior doesn't even compare to some of the goings on on the men's side, and that is why some of us feel that Karch's stance on this is somewhat hypocritical. Argument? I don't need an argument You either trust the coach or not. None of us know the details but you would never exclude someone of her calibre and talent unless it was something very significant. A coach that is hired to win games knows that. Karch is not an idiot. Its quite simple. It's not simply a matter or trusting the coach or not. Managing a team has many components and decisions that get made along the way obviously affect the way things go. The ability to continually evaluate and adjust is important.
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Post by ballervolley on Apr 18, 2015 16:10:50 GMT -5
lmfao all this over an autograph and some advice. oohh let me write a letter and get some advice and maybe i will be drinking the kool aid too. haha This is just a sad post. How old are you? it's sad for you because it's the truth and you're narrow mindedness has limited you crippling you from looking at a much bigger picture. if hugh could manwage personalities then why can't karch? and if other coaches can coach destinee then why can't karch? if destinee can be coached by all these coaches and karch can't then that to me is very telling. look beyond your received autograph, advice, and your narrow mind and maybe you can understand the situation better.
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Post by #skoskers on Apr 18, 2015 19:03:51 GMT -5
Destinee? What I have seen is a big ego and poor sportsmanship on numerous occasions both in college and on the national team. College? Sure. National and professional teams? Hardly. Show me any post-college match in which Destinee displayed poor sportsmanship or self-aggrandizement that was worthy of your criticism, because she is actually one of the humbler opposite hitters in women's professional volleyball. Gamova and Obmochaeva scream the loudest in their opponents' faces. Pavan gives the best stare of death when she's not looking too jaded. The Brazilians break out into song and dance or run the perimeter of the court after a point... Even if I believed Destinee was cocky (which I don't), why is that such a bad thing in the first place, especially when athletes like Bryant and Messi are celebrated for their triumphant attitudes on the court and field? Not only do I think your observations about her are wrong, but I think the standards by which you are judging her are entirely unfair.
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