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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 22:34:38 GMT -5
Post by ballervolley on Apr 17, 2015 22:34:38 GMT -5
When did Karch show up at a juniors tournament to sign autographs? Looks like time has been kind to the man... Or maybe you're just a little quick to judge Destinee Karch sent me not only his autograph but two letters when I was trying to break into playing competitive ball. He was playing for US Volleyball at the time and at the height of his career and I was a nobody. I thought it was incredibly classy despite his schedule. here's a piece of the puzzle everyone!
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Post by toomuchvb on Apr 17, 2015 22:44:15 GMT -5
Karch never charged little kids for his autograph... Karch wanted the sport to grow and did everything in his power to do so. Destinee, on the other hand, was/is just looking to make her money and be famous. That is how Karch was, and still is, a great ambassador for the sport of volleyball. Karch's temper tamptrums were during games and came from passion, and he always had the best interest of his team. Destinee's temper tamptrums come from her not getting her way. Karch was not a saint, but the 2 really don't compare as far as attitude come to mind. Welcome to 2015. Many athletes either don't give autographs or now charge for them under controlled circumstances. An example is at an organized meet and greet function. A reason given is that many so called fans put the autographed item up on Ebay. Not fair to the real fan who wants something in their collection from their favorite.
. My kids stood in line for Destinee's autograph. She signed, chatted with us, then stood up gave me a firm handshake, smiling and looking me in the eye (which I appreciated as a parent), and wished the kids good luck in club. So, all in all a good and very positive experience. But based on what I read on VT, she's an awful person. She was gracious, never charged us, or the people around us, for her signature. I know, I know. That's just one interaction. Just felt like posting something positive about her.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 22:46:07 GMT -5
Post by ballervolley on Apr 17, 2015 22:46:07 GMT -5
Welcome to 2015. Many athletes either don't give autographs or now charge for them under controlled circumstances. An example is at an organized meet and greet function. A reason given is that many so called fans put the autographed item up on Ebay. Not fair to the real fan who wants something in their collection from their favorite.
. My kids stood in line for Destinee's autograph. She signed, chatted with us, then stood up gave me a firm handshake, smiling and looking me in the eye (which I appreciated as a parent), and wished the kids good luck in club. So, all in all a good and very positive experience. But based on what I read on VT, she's an awful person. She was gracious, never charged us, or the people around us, for her signature. I know, I know. That's just one interaction. Just felt like posting something positive about her. i like me some real talk!
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Apr 17, 2015 22:47:28 GMT -5
I think the real issue is that we like to compare DH to our society's ideal of a submissive and compliant woman. "She's got an attitude" or "diva" are just other ways of saying she didn't conform to your expectations of how a woman should act. It's frustrating to read certain posters preach about how DH should act when the truth is that if it was a man with the same history of actions he'd probably be categorized completely differently. This statement is as cowardly as playing the race card when all other arguments fail. Man or woman, every team has rules and expectations for all team members. Do you guys ever grow tired of making excuses? That's great coming from you.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2015 23:11:04 GMT -5
Karch is and was as individualistic as Destinee is. Anyone who knows him knows that. Doug Beale certainly knew that he was a difficult team-mate, but he also understood that Karch's contributions to the team were more significant than his detractions. If you want to argue that Destinee's contributions would be less than her detractions, that is one thing, but there are certainly people who would disagree. Bottom Line....Karch is the coach and he has rules that he expects his players to follow. If all the other players can comply, so can Destinee Hooker or is she exempt because she is good? Yes or no? I think the answer depends on the specific rules and circumstances. Are you suggesting that Karch can arbitrarily set any rule he wants? I don't believe you are actually suggesting that, but because the specific reason for Destinee's exclusion isn't openly known, I don't agree that one should automatically presume that the rule is just or appropriate. The reason Destinee isn't on the National Team isn't specifically about ability, eligibility or even morality, but rather a subjective measure, which suggests that it is open to debate. Another coach could easily make the opposite decision (Hugh McCutcheon certainly did). I believe that the attempt to establish a "culture" for the National Team sounds like a good idea, but it is difficult, and perhaps dangerous, to implement because it presumes that certain values are more important than others, while allowing the determination of those values to remain at the discretion of a few. Another way to say this is that if Karch made his rules public and specific, then we might be in a better position to judge for ourselves if we think it is the right thing.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:30:06 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2015 23:30:06 GMT -5
Karch sent me not only his autograph but two letters when I was trying to break into playing competitive ball. He was playing for US Volleyball at the time and at the height of his career and I was a nobody. I thought it was incredibly classy despite his schedule. here's a piece of the puzzle everyone! Yes....its sure is. A player that had time to advise a future player and took the time to do so, giving advice on what skills to work on, etc. That bastard.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:32:40 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2015 23:32:40 GMT -5
Bottom Line....Karch is the coach and he has rules that he expects his players to follow. If all the other players can comply, so can Destinee Hooker or is she exempt because she is good? Yes or no? I think the answer depends on the specific rules and circumstances. Are you suggesting that Karch can arbitrarily set any rule he wants? I don't believe you are actually suggesting that, but because the specific reason for Destinee's exclusion isn't openly known, I don't agree that one should automatically presume that the rule is just or appropriate. The reason Destinee isn't on the National Team isn't specifically about ability, eligibility or even morality, but rather a subjective measure, which suggests that it is open to debate. Another coach could easily make the opposite decision (Hugh McCutcheon certainly did). I believe that the attempt to establish a "culture" for the National Team sounds like a good idea, but is is difficult, and perhaps dangerous, to implement because it presumes that certain values are more important than others, while allowing the determination of those values to remain at the discretion of a few. Another way to say this is that if Karch made his rules public and specific, then we might be in a better position to judge for ourselves if we think it is the right thing. I have played for many coaches. Some I liked and a few I didn't but the bottom line was that they were in charge of the team and if they had rules I followed them if I wanted to compete. Its called respect. Something few players or fans seem to have these days. Most coaches have put in years of sweat and dedication, especially at this level. They have most likely earned it. Tell me Volley...if the other players can cope why couldn't she?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2015 23:38:05 GMT -5
I think the answer depends on the specific rules and circumstances. Are you suggesting that Karch can arbitrarily set any rule he wants? I don't believe you are actually suggesting that, but because the specific reason for Destinee's exclusion isn't openly known, I don't agree that one should automatically presume that the rule is just or appropriate. The reason Destinee isn't on the National Team isn't specifically about ability, eligibility or even morality, but rather a subjective measure, which suggests that it is open to debate. Another coach could easily make the opposite decision (Hugh McCutcheon certainly did). I believe that the attempt to establish a "culture" for the National Team sounds like a good idea, but is is difficult, and perhaps dangerous, to implement because it presumes that certain values are more important than others, while allowing the determination of those values to remain at the discretion of a few. Another way to say this is that if Karch made his rules public and specific, then we might be in a better position to judge for ourselves if we think it is the right thing. I have played for many coaches. Some I liked and a few I didn't but the bottom line was that they were in charge of the team and if they had rules I followed them if I wanted to compete. Its called respect. Something few players or fans seem to have these days. Most coaches have put in years of sweat and dedication, especially at this level. They have most likely earned it. Tell me Volley...if the other players can cope why couldn't she? Because the rule was specifically formulated for her, disguised as a general rule, and then lead to a whole different set of issues.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:38:24 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2015 23:38:24 GMT -5
This statement is as cowardly as playing the race card when all other arguments fail. Man or woman, every team has rules and expectations for all team members. Do you guys ever grow tired of making excuses? That's great coming from you. Great comeback Sun.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:39:51 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2015 23:39:51 GMT -5
I have played for many coaches. Some I liked and a few I didn't but the bottom line was that they were in charge of the team and if they had rules I followed them if I wanted to compete. Its called respect. Something few players or fans seem to have these days. Most coaches have put in years of sweat and dedication, especially at this level. They have most likely earned it. Tell me Volley...if the other players can cope why couldn't she? Because the rule was specifically formulated for her. In your opinion but please continue to make excuses. You are like those parents with kids that get into trouble and everything is everyone elses fault. Grow some balls for pete sake.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:45:48 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2015 23:45:48 GMT -5
Because the rule was specifically formulated for her. In your opinion but please continue to make excuses. You are like those parents with kids that get into trouble and everything is everyone elses fault. Grow some balls for pete sake. In my opinion? The rule applied to one person.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:50:39 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 17, 2015 23:50:39 GMT -5
In your opinion but please continue to make excuses. You are like those parents with kids that get into trouble and everything is everyone elses fault. Grow some balls for pete sake. In my opinion? The rule applied to one person. I know you believe that! Its obvious.
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Hooker
Apr 17, 2015 23:59:43 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 17, 2015 23:59:43 GMT -5
In my opinion? The rule applied to one person. I know you believe that! Its obvious. Do you have an argument other than the coach gets to set the rule? You haven't made any argument about the actual nature of the disagreement, so I have to conclude that you aren't making any claims about the nature of the disagreement. Is there more to your argument? I know he sent you a letter, but have you ever heard from him since?
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Hooker
Apr 18, 2015 0:22:18 GMT -5
Post by kro2488 on Apr 18, 2015 0:22:18 GMT -5
I really don't think I've ever seen whining about one single player, so much. No one is doing this with Logan Tom, and she is way more well rounded than Hooker and will always be one of my favorites. Or Heather Bown, another one I miss... very interesting.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Apr 18, 2015 0:44:30 GMT -5
When did Karch show up at a juniors tournament to sign autographs? Looks like time has been kind to the man... Or maybe you're just a little quick to judge Destinee Karch sent me not only his autograph but two letters when I was trying to break into playing competitive ball. He was playing for US Volleyball at the time and at the height of his career and I was a nobody. I thought it was incredibly classy despite his schedule. You are so completely FOS. I don't know how you can even begin to keep track of the stories you tell on here.
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