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Post by soljah808 on Apr 1, 2015 21:29:05 GMT -5
Great job Lewis!!!!!
So other than BYU and Penn St.....who else of quality did Loyola beat that still keeps them in the at-large conversation?
Ohio st?
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Post by kekoagoldenbear on Apr 1, 2015 21:40:34 GMT -5
It's not looking good for the defending champions with this loss. Their only quality wins are against BYU (who defeated Lewis) and I guess twice over Penn State. i agree. great schedule for RPI purposes. but we'll also have to see how this committee is truly defining a "quality win." ohio st is #5 in the RPI. and loyola already has one win against them ... possibly 2 when the teams square up again in a couple of weeks. plus, loyola could get another shot at lewis in the MIVA tournament. I forgot the MIVA tournament. In my opinion, should Loyola lose the MIVA regular season and not win the tournament, they should not get an at-large bid over Pepperdine, UCI or Hawaii, since it's guaranteed MPSF will at least have one at-large bid.
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Post by preschooler on Apr 1, 2015 21:40:45 GMT -5
MIVA and selection ain't over till the fat lady sings. And although I can carry a bit of a tune ......
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 1, 2015 21:46:20 GMT -5
Great job Lewis!!!!! So other than BYU and Penn St.....who else of quality did Loyola beat that still keeps them in the at-large conversation? Ohio st? they also have 2 wins against penn st (currently 6 in the RPI). and 2 wins against ipfw (9 in RPI). whether those qualify as good wins remains to be seen. one of the selection criteria appears to involve results against teams who have qualified for the tournament and teams who are "under consideration." how is "under consideration" defined? is it the teams near the top of each conferences' standings? is it the teams in the top 10 of the RPI? top 5? is it the teams who advance far in their respective conference tournaments? is it all those things? hard to say how the committee views things ...
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 1, 2015 21:56:15 GMT -5
i agree. great schedule for RPI purposes. but we'll also have to see how this committee is truly defining a "quality win." ohio st is #5 in the RPI. and loyola already has one win against them ... possibly 2 when the teams square up again in a couple of weeks. plus, loyola could get another shot at lewis in the MIVA tournament. I forgot the MIVA tournament. In my opinion, should Loyola lose the MIVA regular season and not win the tournament, they should not get an at-large bid over Pepperdine, UCI or Hawaii, since it's guaranteed MPSF will at least have one at-large bid. here's a way to throw all of that out of whack ... if ohio st wins the MIVA tourney and automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. do the 2 at-large bids then go to lewis and loyola? relegating the mpsf just to its conference tournament winner going to the NCAA tournament? could you imagine the revolt?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 22:06:44 GMT -5
Loyola's resume this year is better than Lewis's resume was last year, let's keep that in mind. There is 0 chance that the NCAA gives the MPSF 3 bids, fair or not. It just won't happen.
(Although just like last year when it was cheaper to send Lewis on a bus down the road to Loyola vs. flying Pepperdine into Chicago, this year it may be cheaper to fly an MPSF team to SF vs. flying a MIVA team there...but either way the teams will be flying so I don't see how it's as big of a difference as last year.)
It is very possible Loyola's only losses this season will come to Lewis. And it is also very possible they will get a win over Lewis in the MIVA Tournament. They will end up with a strong resume, as will Lewis, and those 2 will represent the MIVA.
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Post by irreverency on Apr 1, 2015 22:06:59 GMT -5
I forgot the MIVA tournament. In my opinion, should Loyola lose the MIVA regular season and not win the tournament, they should not get an at-large bid over Pepperdine, UCI or Hawaii, since it's guaranteed MPSF will at least have one at-large bid. "here's a way to throw all of that out of whack ... if ohio st wins the MIVA tourney and automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. do the 2 at-large bids then go to lewis and loyola? relegating the mpsf just to its conference tournament winner going to the NCAA tournament? could you imagine the revolt?" I would much rather NOT imagine the revolt. I have never liked the "automatic" bid of tournament champion over the conference champion, and years of following basketball has solidified my opinion on that subject. However, in the event you suggest, I would suspect that Lewis would now get the bid over Loyola (assuming both teams win out their regular season), and an MPSF team would get the other bid. Seriously, with only two at-large picks and one automatic pick for each conference, it's probable that two of the top six teams in the nation are not going to be in Palo Alto in May, but if you're going to build the sport you have to be inclusive, not exclusive. Which makes it imperative for each team to "git 'er done" in conference.
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Post by kekoagoldenbear on Apr 1, 2015 22:14:40 GMT -5
I forgot the MIVA tournament. In my opinion, should Loyola lose the MIVA regular season and not win the tournament, they should not get an at-large bid over Pepperdine, UCI or Hawaii, since it's guaranteed MPSF will at least have one at-large bid. here's a way to throw all of that out of whack ... if ohio st wins the MIVA tourney and automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. do the 2 at-large bids then go to lewis and loyola? relegating the mpsf just to its conference tournament winner going to the NCAA tournament? could you imagine the revolt? It would be a travesty. LOL! I would protest watching the Tournament. I wouldn't count out tOSU and if they do, I'm sure only Lewis gets a bid for winning the MIVA regular season.
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Post by preschooler on Apr 1, 2015 22:16:33 GMT -5
I forgot the MIVA tournament. In my opinion, should Loyola lose the MIVA regular season and not win the tournament, they should not get an at-large bid over Pepperdine, UCI or Hawaii, since it's guaranteed MPSF will at least have one at-large bid. here's a way to throw all of that out of whack ... if ohio st wins the MIVA tourney and automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. do the 2 at-large bids then go to lewis and loyola? relegating the mpsf just to its conference tournament winner going to the NCAA tournament? could you imagine the revolt? As a matter of fact I can
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Post by preschooler on Apr 1, 2015 22:29:49 GMT -5
Heard the match was packed engineering type est. I heard was a crowd of close to 2 thousand. Folks even standing on boxes viewing from "weight room"
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Post by bowandarrow on Apr 1, 2015 23:01:22 GMT -5
Great job Lewis!!!!! So other than BYU and Penn St.....who else of quality did Loyola beat that still keeps them in the at-large conversation? Ohio st? I'm not sure I follow the "quality wins" criteria that people keep referring to as integral to the at-large selection process. Maybe I'm missing something. Where are "quality wins" referenced? I can't find that section though I've read the selection criteria several times. I also don't see travel expenses listed as a determining criteria either, as Vinnie has explained on multiple occasions. At least the MIVA is making progress...this year it will be a certified travesty if 3 MIVA teams make it to the tournament whereas last year it only took two to wrangle their way into the big dance with the help of dirty Chicago politicians and tight fisted NCAA bean counters. Lost in this thread about Lewis vs Loyola is that Lewis is a pretty good team. Loyola is too. Lewis overcame a slow start to take control of the match with a balanced attack, great blocking and stepped up serving, passing and defense. Fitterer was hitting like he did early in the season and although Powell didn't hit as well as usual, Petty stepped up when needed and The team held off some late rallies by Loyola in sets 3 and four. I was told the gym was beyond standing room only with some especially enthusiastic fans being escorted to the exits. Good job Flyers...this year...why not you?
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 1, 2015 23:06:35 GMT -5
And if Loyola loses for a third time....then what?
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 1, 2015 23:12:10 GMT -5
No offense to the Carolinas but next years outrigger tournament will probably have a team represented due to RPI purposes. Which eliminates the other mpsf team in the tourney and in turn makes it less appealing potentially for a penn st or Ohio state to wanna fly out here. (They like playing two mpsf teams in the tourney.) This was discussed by the Hawaii commentators in January.
I only bring this up because RPI is now a reason to flip a whole lotta things around for everyone....especially how they schedule teams now. Should be interesting. Would love to see Loyola or Lewis come back to the islands as they use to make the trek every so often in the past.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Apr 1, 2015 23:13:40 GMT -5
Great job Lewis!!!!! So other than BYU and Penn St.....who else of quality did Loyola beat that still keeps them in the at-large conversation? Ohio st? I'm not sure I follow the "quality wins" criteria that people keep referring to as integral to the at-large selection process. Maybe I'm missing something. Where are "quality wins" referenced? I can't find that section though I've read the selection criteria several times. I also don't see travel expenses listed as a determining criteria either, as Vinnie has explained on multiple occasions. At least the MIVA is making progress...this year it will be a certified travesty if 3 MIVA teams make it to the tournament whereas last year it only took two to wrangle their way into the big dance with the help of dirty Chicago politicians and tight fisted NCAA bean counters. Lost in this thread about Lewis vs Loyola is that Lewis is a pretty good team. Loyola is too. Lewis overcame a slow start to take control of the match with a balanced attack, great blocking and stepped up serving, passing and defense. Fitterer was hitting like he did early in the season and although Powell didn't hit as well as usual, Petty stepped up when needed and The team held off some late rallies by Loyola in sets 3 and four. I was told the gym was beyond standing room only with some especially enthusiastic fans being escorted to the exits. Good job Flyers...this year...why not you? i guess for me -- and i won't speak for others -- i was using the term "quality wins" as the shorthand term for criteria for NCAA selection referring to wins against teams qualified for the tournament and teams "under consideration." that last term is not as clearly defined, as i mentioned above. i absolutely agree that both teams are solid. i really like this lewis team. they serve tough, and have 3 pin hitters who are threats on offense. and it's looking like they simply match up quite well against loyola. i think loyola is just missing a 3rd option outside of jaeshcke and caldwell.
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Post by soljah808 on Apr 1, 2015 23:16:54 GMT -5
But I am extremely impressed by Lewis though.
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