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Post by holidayhusker on Jun 7, 2015 23:22:05 GMT -5
Poor Texas fans. This really is amusing to me. I have never seen so much crying and sniveling from panty waisted fans just because a few of us commented that we don't think Texas has lived up to its potential and talent level. Do you all realize how hyper sensitive and ridiculous this is? Let me see....we have endured as Nebraska fans opponents trashing Cook, Kadie, Amber, Polmiller, the middles, our facility, and the list goes on. There has been dozens of pages of less than positive comments about the Huskers and the tough Texas fans have been squealing their outrage when we dared to say underachieving. Lordy. You are right about one thing. Surely we all have better things to do with our time. Now go back to crying over your virtue. Holiday, when posters attack Nebraska, tell me if you've ever defended against it? I agree with you, I have read some ridiculous comments made about Cook, those players you've mentioned and more. Cook is near the pinnacle of success in his field, so I can understand why people do it. But I have to wonder if you ever respond to those comments, because when a longhorn fan responds, you think it's "panty-waisted." If you don't respond to those kinds of comments, how do you react and how can Longhorn fans have a better reaction? Absolutely and I agree with you. However......Penn State, Stanford, and Nebraska fans have all endured some challenging situations on this board over the years. Maybe we are used to handling a great deal of criticism about our program but never have I seen such nastiness simply because someone dared to state that they felt Texas was underachieving due to their talent level. Do I really feel that. Yes. Do I feel that playing Anderson and Cook ruined our chances for the season. Yes. This is an opinion board. Surely Texas fans can get a little tougher, after all....if you are going to be a top program it comes with the territory.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jun 7, 2015 23:24:40 GMT -5
Tell me tx.....so anytime anyone makes a comment about Texas that is not wonderful are you all going play the jealousy and butt hurt card? Put your big boy pants on and cope. Nah , it's just the jealous, butt hurt Nebraska fans like yourself. The facts bear that out, you and the other lame Nebraska fans are hoping deep down inside that you don't get sent to Austin this year. That my friend, tells you everything you need to know. I knew everything in the state of Texas was bigger but I didn't realize it was ego. My momma always said that if you are good you don't have to brag about it but yet.....you do?
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Post by Orpheus on Jun 7, 2015 23:25:22 GMT -5
Holiday, when posters attack Nebraska, tell me if you've ever defended against it? I agree with you, I have read some ridiculous comments made about Cook, those players you've mentioned and more. Cook is near the pinnacle of success in his field, so I can understand why people do it. But I have to wonder if you ever respond to those comments, because when a longhorn fan responds, you think it's "panty-waisted." If you don't respond to those kinds of comments, how do you react and how can Longhorn fans have a better reaction? Absolutely and I agree with you. However......Penn State, Stanford, and Nebraska fans have all endured some challenging situations on this board over the years. Maybe we are used to handling a great deal of criticism about our program but never have I seen such nastiness simply because someone dared to state that they felt Texas was underachieving due to their talent level. Do I really feel that. Yes. Do I feel that playing Anderson and Cook ruined our chances for the season. Yes. This is an opinion board. Surely Texas fans can get a little tougher, after all....if you are going to be a top program it comes with the territory. Hey, I think Cook has taken the most abuse of all, and it gets personal, not just criticisms of his strategies. It's always hard to stomach. I'd take the Texas criticisms over what some people insinuate about Cook's personal integrity and character any day. Was just curious, thanks for responding with your opinions.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jun 7, 2015 23:26:53 GMT -5
Absolutely and I agree with you. However......Penn State, Stanford, and Nebraska fans have all endured some challenging situations on this board over the years. Maybe we are used to handling a great deal of criticism about our program but never have I seen such nastiness simply because someone dared to state that they felt Texas was underachieving due to their talent level. Do I really feel that. Yes. Do I feel that playing Anderson and Cook ruined our chances for the season. Yes. This is an opinion board. Surely Texas fans can get a little tougher, after all....if you are going to be a top program it comes with the territory. Hey, I think Cook has taken the most abuse of all, and it gets personal, not just criticisms of his strategies. It's always hard to stomach. I'd take the Texas criticisms over what some people insinuate about Cook's personal integrity and character any day. Was just curious, thanks for responding with your opinions. Absolutely...thanks for discussing instead of attacking. I appreciate that.
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Post by oldmanred on Jun 8, 2015 6:25:43 GMT -5
I don't see why Nebraska fans and Texas fans have to carp at each other! They are both good programs! GO HUSKERS
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Post by southie on Jun 8, 2015 7:12:16 GMT -5
I would like to thank everyone for exceeding my expectations on the drivel that has been spewed since Nwanebu made her announcement Friday. I was talking with a buddy and he was of the opinion this thread would die a page or two after she made her decision and I hotly disagreed. I had said it will easily get to the official Vegas over/under of 83 pages. He kept telling me people have better things to do (he does not come on the board that often so this was like taking candy from a baby) and was so sure he bet me a bottle of Scotch (not to exceed $100), but made me agree to 85 pages and then said it had to have a time limit like a week. I, LMAO (he just is oblivious to the behavior in this forum) agreed. One stipulation was I was not allowed to post on this thread once we made the bet Friday so I have not been on the site. My buddy just called and was pissed and let me know I won. Here was his main complaint.....ROFLMAO!!!! "Who is that bigfan character and why does he have to make the same post like 10 times? ?? Texas cannot pass, Texas cannot pass" So a special thank you to bigfan for your predictable behavior, without your commitment to be the regular Texas antagonist I may have had to sweat this out. Also, a shout out to Holidayhusker for staying engaged for no apparent reason. Poor Texas fans. This really is amusing to me. I have never seen so much crying and sniveling from panty waisted fans just because a few of us commented that we don't think Texas has lived up to its potential and talent level. Do you all realize how hyper sensitive and ridiculous this is? Your passive-aggressive act is getting old. This thread was supposed to be about Ebony Nwanebu leaving USC and her transfer process. But, once she committed to Texas, fans of opposing schools decided to take the gloves off in order to derail this thread and start talking about setter issues, past recruiting classes, underachievement, conference realignment, etc. If you want to discuss Texas, there is a "Texas 2015" thread going on. You can make your comments in that thread. But, you are doing it here for a reason, and you know it.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jun 8, 2015 7:42:39 GMT -5
Enough with the Carpenter argument. Rose thought so much of her as the team's setter that he immediately replaced her the following season and reduced her DS role even further her senior season. He understood her "setting" the team to a championship was more to do with the rest of the team. This is just wrong....Carpenter beat out a very good Mikinzie Moydell for the starting spot at the beginning of the season and was arguably the MVP of the Final Four and title game even though the award went to McClendon. She was light years better than Texas's setters in the semis and completely outplayed Lloyd in the title game. She did lose her starting spot as a junior, but she was beat out by Micha Hancock, who would go on to be a 3x First Team All American and AVCA Player of the Year. 100% agree with everything with the exception of beating out a "very good Moydell"
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Post by SportyBucky on Jun 8, 2015 7:45:01 GMT -5
It affects her ability to play the position in division 1. She cannot block at the elite level and will be used. So rather than 1.5, we'll make it a round 2. Now you're changing your argument. First, you referenced her height being the reason she can't play as a setter. Now you're referencing her blocking ability. Clearly you believe that the two are the same thing, and they absolutely are not. Being taller makes it easier to present a bigger block with less effort, sure, but a bigger block isn't necessarily a better block, and being tall has nothing to do with being explosive, nothing to do with being able to read an opposing setter, nothing to do with being able to read an attacker's shoulder, nothing to do with being able to recognize tendencies, nothing to do with being able to make adjustments, nothing to do with being able to be efficient with your feet, nothing to do with being able to appropriately time your block, nothing to do with being able to press and be strong and disciplined with your hands finishing violently back into the court, and nothing to do with communicated with your pin/middle blocker about setting/closing. Also, you're aware that she's only in a position to block for half a game, right? And, even when she is in that position, she only blocks when an attacker is set in her zone, right? You never hear about a setter's inability to play floor defense as a reason why she can't be a setter. Again, I can think of a dozen other things that I'd care about before I started worrying about her height. You know nothing about Collins' ability to block. You just know that she's 5'6". Bravo. you can google and list off volleyball skills. Are you kidding me? Running a 5-1 without Dalton means she'll play front row. She cannot block. Have you ever watched her or are you just arguing hypothetically? Either way, you're wrong. Guarantee she is used as a blocker if she even touches a ball. I also say she loses focus and she's not that great of a setter. She doesn't always make effort to get to a ball. She has consistently shown her location is not what it should be. She can connect with Chaika...that's about it. She traps inside on her C sets. She also leaves many of her 4 and huts inside. Take a look at the tape, dude. Seriously. Actually watch her play. What is your damage?
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Post by akbar on Jun 8, 2015 8:13:44 GMT -5
Now you're changing your argument. First, you referenced her height being the reason she can't play as a setter. Now you're referencing her blocking ability. Clearly you believe that the two are the same thing, and they absolutely are not. Being taller makes it easier to present a bigger block with less effort, sure, but a bigger block isn't necessarily a better block, and being tall has nothing to do with being explosive, nothing to do with being able to read an opposing setter, nothing to do with being able to read an attacker's shoulder, nothing to do with being able to recognize tendencies, nothing to do with being able to make adjustments, nothing to do with being able to be efficient with your feet, nothing to do with being able to appropriately time your block, nothing to do with being able to press and be strong and disciplined with your hands finishing violently back into the court, and nothing to do with communicated with your pin/middle blocker about setting/closing. Also, you're aware that she's only in a position to block for half a game, right? And, even when she is in that position, she only blocks when an attacker is set in her zone, right? You never hear about a setter's inability to play floor defense as a reason why she can't be a setter. Again, I can think of a dozen other things that I'd care about before I started worrying about her height. You know nothing about Collins' ability to block. You just know that she's 5'6". Deleted. TY
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Post by bball on Jun 8, 2015 9:34:14 GMT -5
Texas has an excellent setter coming in 2017. This should change lots of their issues we will see in 2015. The 6-2 is great but with the injury of their other setter that leaves Collins and I think this drops the whole team. She is good with locations and clicks great with the middles, like Chewbacca, but her net defense will be too vulnerable down the stretch. Elliott is aware of this. They also have no 3rd option. What if Collins gets injured as well? All those OH and no setters to back up? Greed will bite them in 15. Actually isn't Collins injured now as well?? Light injury, but the possible problem presented itself in spring ball and they ignored it.
Texas high schools produced quite a few walk on setters in top programs in 2015. They couldn't have at least grabbed one?
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Post by holidayhusker on Jun 8, 2015 10:06:45 GMT -5
Poor Texas fans. This really is amusing to me. I have never seen so much crying and sniveling from panty waisted fans just because a few of us commented that we don't think Texas has lived up to its potential and talent level. Do you all realize how hyper sensitive and ridiculous this is? Your passive-aggressive act is getting old. This thread was supposed to be about Ebony Nwanebu leaving USC and her transfer process. But, once she committed to Texas, fans of opposing schools decided to take the gloves off in order to derail this thread and start talking about setter issues, past recruiting classes, underachievement, conference realignment, etc. If you want to discuss Texas, there is a "Texas 2015" thread going on. You can make your comments in that thread. But, you are doing it here for a reason, and you know it. Yes...and just like other top teams their is often discussion and intense interest in the programs positive and negative. But if Texas can't handle what the other big boys can just let us know because this crying because someone said something negative about your beloved program is getting a little old. Man Up Southie. If you are half as good as YALL claim to be then this is part of the territory.
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Post by tempesthorn on Jun 8, 2015 11:21:56 GMT -5
Texas has an excellent setter coming in 2017. This should change lots of their issues we will see in 2015. The 6-2 is great but with the injury of their other setter that leaves Collins and I think this drops the whole team. She is good with locations and clicks great with the middles, like Chewbacca, but her net defense will be too vulnerable down the stretch. Elliott is aware of this. They also have no 3rd option. What if Collins gets injured as well? All those OH and no setters to back up? Greed will bite them in 15. Actually isn't Collins injured now as well?? Light injury, but the possible problem presented itself in spring ball and they ignored it. Texas high schools produced quite a few walk on setters in top programs in 2015. They couldn't have at least grabbed one? You should edit your post as well. Just because one a-hole comes in with the Chewbacca comment doesn't mean you should jump on the bandwagon of douchey behavior.
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Post by vbprisoner on Jun 8, 2015 12:07:34 GMT -5
Your passive-aggressive act is getting old. This thread was supposed to be about Ebony Nwanebu leaving USC and her transfer process. But, once she committed to Texas, fans of opposing schools decided to take the gloves off in order to derail this thread and start talking about setter issues, past recruiting classes, underachievement, conference realignment, etc. If you want to discuss Texas, there is a "Texas 2015" thread going on. You can make your comments in that thread. But, you are doing it here for a reason, and you know it. Yes...and just like other top teams their is often discussion and intense interest in the programs positive and negative. But if Texas can't handle what the other big boys can just let us know because this crying because someone said something negative about your beloved program is getting a little old. Man Up Southie. If you are half as good as YALL claim to be then this is part of the territory. Holiday, I don't care if you say anything negative about Texas, but don't say the Longhorn fans are crying and cannot handle the negativity because the Longhorn fans fight back and defend their program. You should know this first hand, being a Nebraska fan, with the cast of characters that come on the Nebraska thread(s) and piss in your corn flakes about anything from Cook, to transfers, to player chemistry, etc., and the Nebraska fans, including me sometimes, defend the program. It's OK to throw stones, but don't complain when someone throws them your way.
If Nwanebu had not chosen Texas you would not have made any negative comments about Texas on this thread. I did not think she was going to pick Texas because I did not think she was going to get a full release, but she did and chose to stay close to home. I, myself am a Longhorn fan, but follow Nebraska and Wisconsin in the B1G and thought Nwanebu would have been a great fit at either of those teams and IMO made Nebraska the clear favorite in the B1G, or brought Wisconsin even with PSU and Neb. and realize the disappointment for two of the three programs.
Also, I was not throwing a pot shot at you in my previous post, I did win a bet for a bottle of Scotch, and honestly thanked you for getting the Longhorn fans fired up. As someone else pointed out though, as soon as Collins was brought into the discussion it was a done deal.
Here's to Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Texas making the final 4 and PSU and MTC watching! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 14:23:37 GMT -5
This is just wrong....Carpenter beat out a very good Mikinzie Moydell for the starting spot at the beginning of the season and was arguably the MVP of the Final Four and title game even though the award went to McClendon. She was light years better than Texas's setters in the semis and completely outplayed Lloyd in the title game. She did lose her starting spot as a junior, but she was beat out by Micha Hancock, who would go on to be a 3x First Team All American and AVCA Player of the Year. 100% agree with everything with the exception of beating out a "very good Moydell" Moydell beat herself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 14:26:57 GMT -5
Now you're changing your argument. First, you referenced her height being the reason she can't play as a setter. Now you're referencing her blocking ability. Clearly you believe that the two are the same thing, and they absolutely are not. Being taller makes it easier to present a bigger block with less effort, sure, but a bigger block isn't necessarily a better block, and being tall has nothing to do with being explosive, nothing to do with being able to read an opposing setter, nothing to do with being able to read an attacker's shoulder, nothing to do with being able to recognize tendencies, nothing to do with being able to make adjustments, nothing to do with being able to be efficient with your feet, nothing to do with being able to appropriately time your block, nothing to do with being able to press and be strong and disciplined with your hands finishing violently back into the court, and nothing to do with communicated with your pin/middle blocker about setting/closing. Also, you're aware that she's only in a position to block for half a game, right? And, even when she is in that position, she only blocks when an attacker is set in her zone, right? You never hear about a setter's inability to play floor defense as a reason why she can't be a setter. Again, I can think of a dozen other things that I'd care about before I started worrying about her height. You know nothing about Collins' ability to block. You just know that she's 5'6". Bravo. you can google and list off volleyball skills. Are you kidding me? Running a 5-1 without Dalton means she'll play front row. She cannot block. Have you ever watched her or are you just arguing hypothetically? Either way, you're wrong. Guarantee she is used as a blocker if she even touches a ball. I also say she loses focus and she's not that great of a setter. She doesn't always make effort to get to a ball. She has consistently shown her location is not what it should be. She can connect with Chaika...that's about it. She traps inside on her C sets. She also leaves many of her 4 and huts inside. Take a look at the tape, dude. Seriously. Actually watch her play. What is your damage? I wasn't aware that you're in the gym with her on a regular basis and have such a deep and complete understanding of her blocking ability, location, and leadership. My mistake.
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