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Post by vbcoachsouth on May 7, 2015 9:12:42 GMT -5
Our DD was called almost daily "have you made up your mind yet?" " when will you know?" "What's keeping your from making up your mind?" This was as a soph in HS. many coaches bend and break rules, no doubt about it, but i'm sorry, this didn't happen...
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Post by BabyDuck on May 7, 2015 11:00:40 GMT -5
vbkid,
I too admire Ebony's eloquence. She has some excellent points, whether we disagree with her choice or not. Her post has been shared on quite a few forums, as well as shared by some VB clubs in our area, and I think the message speaks to many student-athletes who are also overwhelmed with pressure (perceived or otherwise). I had my daughter read it, because while she's not exactly in the same boat, it still is helpful to teens to feel like someone else has been through tough times and had to make tough decisions.
Secondly, I don't think I am being unfair at all about the coach's comments. Maybe the table scraps thing was slightly out of context, but only slightly. The comments didn't really offend me, but I felt they were a little harsh, especially since they were about one specific player. Reading her blog post, it seems like she is homesick, and alludes to issues with anxiety and depression. If the coach truly cares, as the statements claim, then the response should have focused more on the pitfalls of early commitments, and less on Ebony (and her mom).
*Also have to agree that some of the responses are boring non-responses.
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Post by vbkid111 on May 7, 2015 12:44:01 GMT -5
vbkid, I too admire Ebony's eloquence. She has some excellent points, whether we disagree with her choice or not. Her post has been shared on quite a few forums, as well as shared by some VB clubs in our area, and I think the message speaks to many student-athletes who are also overwhelmed with pressure (perceived or otherwise). I had my daughter read it, because while she's not exactly in the same boat, it still is helpful to teens to feel like someone else has been through tough times and had to make tough decisions. Secondly, I don't think I am being unfair at all about the coach's comments. Maybe the table scraps thing was slightly out of context, but only slightly. The comments didn't really offend me, but I felt they were a little harsh, especially since they were about one specific player. Reading her blog post, it seems like she is homesick, and alludes to issues with anxiety and depression. If the coach truly cares, as the statements claim, then the response should have focused more on the pitfalls of early commitments, and less on Ebony (and her mom). *Also have to agree that some of the responses are boring non-responses. Fair enough--it definitely is a helpful perspective for many kids and parents entering the recruiting phase. No question. But look at the Prepvolleyball stated prompt to the coaches asked to respond: "Yesterday, I invited college coaches and club directors to respond on the record to what Ebony wrote about her early commitment decision."
This coach did just that--he responded to what EBONY wrote about HER early commitment. And his perspective is unique and more interesting because he can share a personal perspective of her situation and history as opposed to a generic view of the recruiting game.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 18:29:39 GMT -5
My 'elite' daughter got her first email about recruiting, with a request to call the school at age 12 (7th grade). She had played for two years at that point, had qualified for nationals in sand two years older than her age, and had made the top indoor HP future select camp. We called (not our daughter). He had gotten her name off the high performance list, had called her middle school coaches, her club coach, and the decision was made to give her a scholarship. She was 5'11" at the time and touching 9'8", played all around, and was (and still is) very smart (top 1% on all standardized test). She moved well at the time, but was far from polished. It was an unknown very small school that was not NCAA nor NAIA. The coach offered her a scholarship and said the details would be sent in the mail. The letter came, and we were not sure what to do. Her club said to ignore it (we gave them a polite no thanks reply).
Her 8th grade year more schools began to email and even call us directly ('allowed' by NCAA until July before 9th grade) all schools were polite and respected our desire to keep our daughter out of the process until 9th grade (what the club had recommended). A couple said they were ready to offer her a 4 year scholarship if she came to campus and it seemed like a good fit. They had all done their research, had video of her, had spoken to her club and either her middle school or future high school coach, one had even called local parents of another D1 athlete to get their opinion of her and our family.All asked for her schedule, and almost all asked for more video...most had been watching her at various events, unbeknown to us. They all seemed to want to know 'what is she like as a person', and all wanted to know if we had any questions. the first few calls were long (we had A LOT of questions), but eventually the calls were kept much shorter. We handled all the phone calls (1-2 a month) in 8th grade, and asked a lot of questions (the most common, 'why do you like her?). We kept getting told 'she has an incredibly high ceiling" (still not sure what that means, except that it stops getting said around 10th grade). We did not fully understand it, at age 13, when our 16 year old could hit harder, jump higher, serve and pass better, etc...but she was 5'8". IOW, we did not understand why our 'elite' 13 yo got attention, when her siblings who got no attention at that age (and actually had less attention even in 10th and 11th grade than our 'elite' 8th grader/9th grader did).
We finally began to accept that there was something about her that was special. We kept to the decision to shelter her from the attention she was getting. We decided no visits until 9th grade club. She continued with volleyball with club, school and USAV/HP (at HP she was always told she was one of the top 10 players in her class by college coaches that evaluated her, one even said top at her position). She continued with the usual things an 8th graders does, in addition to basketball, track and field, dance, Tai Kwon do, gymnastics, swimming, all of which she is good at(but not nearly as good as her siblings at the same age, except Tai Kwon Do, she is a black belt), and we were not sure which she would decide was her favorite sport.
By 9th grade it was clear she had fallen in love with volleyball. We let her know that we did not expect her to play in college, but if she wanted to, schools were interested. She asked 'will you buy me a car when I turn 16 if I get a scholarship?' No promises made. That was around when we learned that the IVYs (which she expressed interest in) did not offer athletic scholarships. She had seen the coaches (including the IVYs) watching her, but had assumed they were there for the older girls on courts nearby. We told her they probably were, but some liked what they saw, as she likely stood out, now as a 6'+ player who touched 10'+, even though her team was not that good...(she loved her teammates, and they loved her, she had decided to keep playing for that club even though not the best local team...another blog entry as to why we made that decision). At that time she had a kill % of .60-.70 and a hitting % of .45-.55, and had 2.5-3 blocks a game in club/middle averaged 25% serving aces in club, and had the best passing score on all her teams except HP...her teams all did ok, but nothing great, except USAV/HP, junior national and select team, where her team almost always won every competition they entered, often playing up in age group, including international competition.
We talked with her about what she wanted in college, She really did not want to think about it "None of my friends are looking at college"...she had spent most of her life trying to fit in, not easy for a girl 12" taller than all her friends. We decided to stay in touch with all schools by writing thank you emails, having her proof them (she would usually shorten them and take out our 'old people' grammer), and send them off. We started to video her, and when asked would send some highlights. She made HS varsity in 9th grade, kill % of .6, hitting % of .5. team went deep in playoffs, winning 90% of their games. She began getting 2-5 emails a day from various schools, including some from the elite (top 10) schools. She recieved emails (more than the 'come to camp' letter) from over 70 schools before Xmas of her 9th grade year. With our help, she replied to each of them with a short polite email thanking them for their interest, that she would be trying to visit schools after 9th grade and beyond, etc. We allowed her to call 2 schools a week, until spring of 9th grade, when the request for calls became overwhelming (5-10 a week). We stopped all phone calls, let the club and the colleges know that she would be making the phone calls in the summer once school was over.
The coaches all were very gracious. I got the sense they were very very busy, and it was easy for them to understand why a kid may be as busy.
Her club let her know that she needed to narrow her 'list' to 15 schools by the end of the summer before 10th grade, and to 3-5 by summer after 10th grade...'it is not fair to the coaches recruiting her, to expect them to put the time and effort in, unless they know they have a reasonable chance at landing her'. The problem was that several of the schools she liked ('top 15')would not commit until her junior year (they wanted two years of grades and test scores showing she is academically qualified). All schools said (to her or to the club recruiting coordinator) 'she is (one of) our top prospect(s)', but several (IVYs, Stanford) made it very clear 'there is no offer until her junior year, and even then she could be rejected if she does poorly her senior year'. We agreed to narrow it to 12-15 by the end of summer after 9th grade, and started planning unofficial visits 9th grade spring and summer. This all cost money, and time, but we agreed it was the right thing to do, and gave up a family vacation to save money, and gain time, and visit more schools than our other kids had. Only one school played hard ball 'we will have to give her non binding offer to someone else if she is not ready to commit by the end of this (9th grade) school year'...that was VERY difficult, because she loved the school, it had won a national championship in the recent past, and they had been in touch with us since 8th grade. But we kept to the game plan, no commitment until her junior year. (That school kept the door open once the head coach was called by her high school coach letting him know they were top 5...word to the wise). In the process, we became very very glad we did not eliminate schools outside the 'top 15' until we 'had to' at the end of summer after 9th grade...many of the 'final 15' were not even on the radar when the process started.
My #1 point (going against some comments on this board and others about recruiting)...my experience (whether elite or very good) is that most 'D1 worthy' kids cant wait until sophomore (and definitely not junior) year to start the recruiting process... if they get an offer, they need to already have an idea of where that school stands (by doing visits early on, i.e. 9th and 10th grade). We have other kids that are more athletic. They were not (and will not) be recruited like her, but when the offer came, we were very glad having a frame of reference because we had taken the time to have them do some visits in 9th and 10th grade. If the school is not recruiting them, they may still be willing to open the gym and the locker room, especially if the club helps line up the visit.
For a college coach whose job depends on finding someone who can produce a winning season, he is going to try and get a few 'early commits' that are truly unique (6'+++ and touching 10'+ at age 13), as many as 4 years before graduation, and then the 'next tier' they will offer 3 years before graduation, and the 'next tier' will be offered 2 years before graduation...the exception being the IVYs (including Stanford, no earlier commit that 11th grade, and also Duke who cant commit till 10th grade). A few coaches have said they do not like the early recruiting, and would prefer the NCAA put a stop to it (see reference above). One told me 'there are 5-10 athletes that are like your daughter at this point (4 years before graduation). We all hope to get one of them, By next year there will be more. But all of us hope to get one of those 5-10, and we all want to make sure they know we are interested, and if they need it, we are willing to do a nonbinding commitment...otherwise we could lose them to another school that will'. The other kids that get recruited more 'normally' (first looks 10th grade), if they get told 'this offer goes away in two weeks', we have found that is the truth for our lesser recruited kids (even though it was not truth for our more heavily recruited 'elite' daughter).
Having only two weeks to decide on an offer is very stressful...at the end of the day when the hand wringing is greatest, what we tell all our kids is this "do you think God is in control?...yes? Ok...if He wants you at ____, do you really think you will not be there when you graduate HS? Just have faith, trust in Him, and lets all keep trying to figure out what He wants, if you don't feel good about it, lets just tell them thanks but we need more time'...Easier said than done. Soe gave us more time once we assured them they were in the top 2-3...others would not wait...
Some good advice that we are glad we followed for each of our kids that played in college...go to a camp at the school you are considering playing for. This is not easy...it takes time, and money (the schools cant give a discount to your kid even if they are #1 in the country, which some services had ranked our 'elite' daughter in volleyball). But, she was about to narrow the list down to 3 (before her junior year) and went to her 'top 3' camps...(for that level player they have 'eleite camps where the recruits and varsity players are on 'court 1' and the head coach or top assistant coach is there...one top 5 school was immediately eliminated (she actually called us to come get her after the second day of a three day camp)...it was clear that it was not a good fit, for reasons that she still cant put into words..."I just don't like it". That same summer, she went to a camp that was close by a location our family visited...she fell in love with the coaches, the campus, the players, even though the school fit only one of the criteria she had told us she wanted ('they have a goal of winning a national championship', which surprisingly, many 'good' schools when asked, do not list this as a goal)...so our 'elite' daughter has had a great college volleyball career, and is now playing in Europe, and wants to come home and apply to law school...many bumps along the way, but we are very very glad we got advice to go to a camp and see what the fit is like (even though others had said 'she does not need to go to camp, let the schools come to her')
My last 'advice', if you do have a kid that is considered elite (and heavily recruited), make sure the siblings know they are just as special, even if the world does not recognize it...we did not recognize that we had fallen short in this area the first 1-2 years of all the attention (and time) given to our 'elite' kid...we wish that someone had written something like this, and now here it is...please forgive me if it seems arrogant...I am not a better person because of my kids, and I fully recognize that, which is why I have chosen to stay anonymous
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 20:23:42 GMT -5
great post!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 22:56:07 GMT -5
My 'elite' daughter got her first email about recruiting, with a request to call the school at age 12 (7th grade). She had played for two years at that point, had qualified for nationals in sand two years older than her age, and had made the top indoor HP future select camp. We called (not our daughter). He had gotten her name off the high performance list, had called her middle school coaches, her club coach, and the decision was made to give her a scholarship. She was 5'11" at the time and touching 9'8", played all around, and was (and still is) very smart (top 1% on all standardized test). She moved well at the time, but was far from polished. It was an unknown very small school that was not NCAA nor NAIA. The coach offered her a scholarship and said the details would be sent in the mail. The letter came, and we were not sure what to do. Her club said to ignore it (we gave them a polite no thanks reply). Her 8th grade year more schools began to email and even call us directly ('allowed' by NCAA until July before 9th grade) all schools were polite and respected our desire to keep our daughter out of the process until 9th grade (what the club had recommended). A couple said they were ready to offer her a 4 year scholarship if she came to campus and it seemed like a good fit. They had all done their research, had video of her, had spoken to her club and either her middle school or future high school coach, one had even called local parents of another D1 athlete to get their opinion of her and our family.All asked for her schedule, and almost all asked for more video...most had been watching her at various events, unbeknown to us. They all seemed to want to know 'what is she like as a person', and all wanted to know if we had any questions. the first few calls were long (we had A LOT of questions), but eventually the calls were kept much shorter. We handled all the phone calls (1-2 a month) in 8th grade, and asked a lot of questions (the most common, 'why do you like her?). We kept getting told 'she has an incredibly high ceiling" (still not sure what that means, except that it stops getting said around 10th grade). We did not fully understand it, at age 13, when our 16 year old could hit harder, jump higher, serve and pass better, etc...but she was 5'8". IOW, we did not understand why our 'elite' 13 yo got attention, when her siblings who got no attention at that age (and actually had less attention even in 10th and 11th grade than our 'elite' 8th grader/9th grader did). We finally began to accept that there was something about her that was special. We kept to the decision to shelter her from the attention she was getting. We decided no visits until 9th grade club. She continued with volleyball with club, school and USAV/HP (at HP she was always told she was one of the top 10 players in her class by college coaches that evaluated her, one even said top at her position). She continued with the usual things an 8th graders does, in addition to basketball, track and field, dance, Tai Kwon do, gymnastics, swimming, all of which she is good at(but not nearly as good as her siblings at the same age, except Tai Kwon Do, she is a black belt), and we were not sure which she would decide was her favorite sport. By 9th grade it was clear she had fallen in love with volleyball. We let her know that we did not expect her to play in college, but if she wanted to, schools were interested. She asked 'will you buy me a car when I turn 16 if I get a scholarship?' No promises made. That was around when we learned that the IVYs (which she expressed interest in) did not offer athletic scholarships. She had seen the coaches (including the IVYs) watching her, but had assumed they were there for the older girls on courts nearby. We told her they probably were, but some liked what they saw, as she likely stood out, now as a 6'+ player who touched 10'+, even though her team was not that good...(she loved her teammates, and they loved her, she had decided to keep playing for that club even though not the best local team...another blog entry as to why we made that decision). At that time she had a kill % of .60-.70 and a hitting % of .45-.55, and had 2.5-3 blocks a game in club/middle averaged 25% serving aces in club, and had the best passing score on all her teams except HP...her teams all did ok, but nothing great, except USAV/HP, junior national and select team, where her team almost always won every competition they entered, often playing up in age group, including international competition. We talked with her about what she wanted in college, She really did not want to think about it "None of my friends are looking at college"...she had spent most of her life trying to fit in, not easy for a girl 12" taller than all her friends. We decided to stay in touch with all schools by writing thank you emails, having her proof them (she would usually shorten them and take out our 'old people' grammer), and send them off. We started to video her, and when asked would send some highlights. She made HS varsity in 9th grade, kill % of .6, hitting % of .5. team went deep in playoffs, winning 90% of their games. She began getting 2-5 emails a day from various schools, including some from the elite (top 10) schools. She recieved emails (more than the 'come to camp' letter) from over 70 schools before Xmas of her 9th grade year. With our help, she replied to each of them with a short polite email thanking them for their interest, that she would be trying to visit schools after 9th grade and beyond, etc. We allowed her to call 2 schools a week, until spring of 9th grade, when the request for calls became overwhelming (5-10 a week). We stopped all phone calls, let the club and the colleges know that she would be making the phone calls in the summer once school was over. The coaches all were very gracious. I got the sense they were very very busy, and it was easy for them to understand why a kid may be as busy. Her club let her know that she needed to narrow her 'list' to 15 schools by the end of the summer before 10th grade, and to 3-5 by summer after 10th grade...'it is not fair to the coaches recruiting her, to expect them to put the time and effort in, unless they know they have a reasonable chance at landing her'. The problem was that several of the schools she liked ('top 15')would not commit until her junior year (they wanted two years of grades and test scores showing she is academically qualified). All schools said (to her or to the club recruiting coordinator) 'she is (one of) our top prospect(s)', but several (IVYs, Stanford) made it very clear 'there is no offer until her junior year, and even then she could be rejected if she does poorly her senior year'. We agreed to narrow it to 12-15 by the end of summer after 9th grade, and started planning unofficial visits 9th grade spring and summer. This all cost money, and time, but we agreed it was the right thing to do, and gave up a family vacation to save money, and gain time, and visit more schools than our other kids had. Only one school played hard ball 'we will have to give her non binding offer to someone else if she is not ready to commit by the end of this (9th grade) school year'...that was VERY difficult, because she loved the school, it had won a national championship in the recent past, and they had been in touch with us since 8th grade. But we kept to the game plan, no commitment until her junior year. (That school kept the door open once the head coach was called by her high school coach letting him know they were top 5...word to the wise). In the process, we became very very glad we did not eliminate schools outside the 'top 15' until we 'had to' at the end of summer after 9th grade...many of the 'final 15' were not even on the radar when the process started. My #1 point (going against some comments on this board and others about recruiting)...my experience (whether elite or very good) is that most 'D1 worthy' kids cant wait until sophomore (and definitely not junior) year to start the recruiting process... if they get an offer, they need to already have an idea of where that school stands (by doing visits early on, i.e. 9th and 10th grade). We have other kids that are more athletic. They were not (and will not) be recruited like her, but when the offer came, we were very glad having a frame of reference because we had taken the time to have them do some visits in 9th and 10th grade. If the school is not recruiting them, they may still be willing to open the gym and the locker room, especially if the club helps line up the visit. For a college coach whose job depends on finding someone who can produce a winning season, he is going to try and get a few 'early commits' that are truly unique (6'+++ and touching 10'+ at age 13), as many as 4 years before graduation, and then the 'next tier' they will offer 3 years before graduation, and the 'next tier' will be offered 2 years before graduation...the exception being the IVYs (including Stanford, no earlier commit that 11th grade, and also Duke who cant commit till 10th grade). A few coaches have said they do not like the early recruiting, and would prefer the NCAA put a stop to it (see reference above). One told me 'there are 5-10 athletes that are like your daughter at this point (4 years before graduation). We all hope to get one of them, By next year there will be more. But all of us hope to get one of those 5-10, and we all want to make sure they know we are interested, and if they need it, we are willing to do a nonbinding commitment...otherwise we could lose them to another school that will'. The other kids that get recruited more 'normally' (first looks 10th grade), if they get told 'this offer goes away in two weeks', we have found that is the truth for our lesser recruited kids (even though it was not truth for our more heavily recruited 'elite' daughter). Having only two weeks to decide on an offer is very stressful...at the end of the day when the hand wringing is greatest, what we tell all our kids is this "do you think God is in control?...yes? Ok...if He wants you at ____, do you really think you will not be there when you graduate HS? Just have faith, trust in Him, and lets all keep trying to figure out what He wants, if you don't feel good about it, lets just tell them thanks but we need more time'...Easier said than done. Soe gave us more time once we assured them they were in the top 2-3...others would not wait... Some good advice that we are glad we followed for each of our kids that played in college...go to a camp at the school you are considering playing for. This is not easy...it takes time, and money (the schools cant give a discount to your kid even if they are #1 in the country, which some services had ranked our 'elite' daughter in volleyball). But, she was about to narrow the list down to 3 (before her junior year) and went to her 'top 3' camps...(for that level player they have 'eleite camps where the recruits and varsity players are on 'court 1' and the head coach or top assistant coach is there...one top 5 school was immediately eliminated (she actually called us to come get her after the second day of a three day camp)...it was clear that it was not a good fit, for reasons that she still cant put into words..."I just don't like it". That same summer, she went to a camp that was close by a location our family visited...she fell in love with the coaches, the campus, the players, even though the school fit only one of the criteria she had told us she wanted ('they have a goal of winning a national championship', which surprisingly, many 'good' schools when asked, do not list this as a goal)...so our 'elite' daughter has had a great college volleyball career, and is now playing in Europe, and wants to come home and apply to law school...many bumps along the way, but we are very very glad we got advice to go to a camp and see what the fit is like (even though others had said 'she does not need to go to camp, let the schools come to her') My last 'advice', if you do have a kid that is considered elite (and heavily recruited), make sure the siblings know they are just as special, even if the world does not recognize it...we did not recognize that we had fallen short in this area the first 1-2 years of all the attention (and time) given to our 'elite' kid...we wish that someone had written something like this, and now here it is...please forgive me if it seems arrogant...I am not a better person because of my kids, and I fully recognize that, which is why I have chosen to stay anonymous Interesting post. One question: why does your profile say that you've posted 11 times, yet this is the only one that hasn't been deleted?
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Post by bigfan on May 9, 2015 12:10:10 GMT -5
Excellent post howdidigethere!
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Post by vbprisoner on May 9, 2015 19:35:10 GMT -5
This is a repost from a couple months ago on a thread about early recruiting.
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Post by redbeard2008 on May 14, 2015 16:24:14 GMT -5
Clearly one of the issues is "take it or leave it" early offers from heavy hitter programs. The program can always dump the kid later if she doesn't pan out, but get to stake out their claim in that class.
Personally, I'd be in favor of requiring all offers up to the start of the 10th grade to be written contracts binding the school to provide a 2-year athletic scholarship, but with the athlete being able to opt-out up until the start of the 11th grade. Timelines could still be attached, after which the offer would become null and void, but should be no less than 90 days. After the start of 10th grade, the normal NLI rules would apply. That would stop almost all such early strong-arm "all-in" offers, in my opinion.
The only way to stop such offers, it seems to me, is to render them as questionable "bets" that schools would have to pay off regardless of whether the player pans out or not. Players/parents in that circumstance would be right to consider as suspicious any oral offer that doesn't bind the school and demand a written and binding offer instead.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 19, 2015 7:53:55 GMT -5
Does the recruiting timeline vary by region? On RK, there are currently only 5 2017s and no 2018s committed to PAC schools. (there were only 3 prior to the weekend) By contrast, there are 31 2017s and 2 2018s committed to B1G schools.
Maybe there are more scholarships open in 2017 in the B1G (they also have 2 more schools) and maybe the PAC would have 6 if a certain player didn't go to Texas, and but even then the gap is so large there has to be something more than coincidence there.
Is Stanford's delayed admissions timeline slowing down the process that much? Stanford recruits nationally, so I don't think their impact would be localized to the PAC though.
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Post by vbnerd on May 19, 2015 8:50:57 GMT -5
I'm guessing but here are a couple of thoughts...
First, California kids are usually later anyway.
Also, how many of the 2014 Pac 10 Coaches do you expect to be coaching in the Pac 10 in 2018? My guess is that Liskeyvich, Feller, and Haley are not spending as much time on 2018's as Cook, Sheffield, Aird, etc. Stanford obviously is a different animal and I was told they only had one 2018 scholarship anyway. Do we think Greeny will still be in Pullman then? Even if she's trying to pull those kids, 13-69 in the Pac 12 makes its tough to see her lasting 4-5 more years.
Then Sealy's recruiting style being...lets say "relaxed" doesn't lend itself to early commitments either.
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Post by MTC on May 19, 2015 10:47:32 GMT -5
For Stanford recruits what is the dollar difference between getting a scholarship and qualifying for free tuition?
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Post by bigfan on May 19, 2015 11:11:41 GMT -5
This is a repost from a couple months ago on a thread about early recruiting. Who cares. It is relevant and well written!
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Post by bayarea on May 19, 2015 17:10:44 GMT -5
For Stanford recruits what is the dollar difference between getting a scholarship and qualifying for free tuition? financialaid.stanford.edu/undergrad/budget/2015 cost is a $45,000 tuition bill, and estimated around $64,000 total with room and board and other expenses. So about $20,000 expenses left beyond tuition, but that obviously varies from student to student. The free tuition policy: "If a student’s parents make less than $125,000 per year, and if they have assets of less than $300,000, excluding retirement accounts, the parents won’t be expected to pay anything toward their children’s Stanford tuition. Families with incomes lower than $65,000 won’t have to contribute to room and board, either. Students themselves will have to pay up to $5,000 each year from summer earnings, savings, and part-time work. There’s no rule that parents can’t cover their students’ required contribution. Stanford is much more generous toward middle-class and upper-middle class students than the federal government is. Most students who get subsidized loans and federal Pell Grants come from families making less than $60,000 per year. But it also enrolls an outsize proportion of wealthy students. In 2010, the university’s director of financial aid said the median family income at Stanford was around $125,000." From Truthdig.com
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Post by deepsouthfan on May 20, 2015 10:07:23 GMT -5
For Stanford recruits what is the dollar difference between getting a scholarship and qualifying for free tuition? financialaid.stanford.edu/undergrad/budget/2015 cost is a $45,000 tuition bill, and estimated around $64,000 total with room and board and other expenses. So about $20,000 expenses left beyond tuition, but that obviously varies from student to student. The free tuition policy: "If a student’s parents make less than $125,000 per year, and if they have assets of less than $300,000, excluding retirement accounts, the parents won’t be expected to pay anything toward their children’s Stanford tuition. Families with incomes lower than $65,000 won’t have to contribute to room and board, either. Students themselves will have to pay up to $5,000 each year from summer earnings, savings, and part-time work. There’s no rule that parents can’t cover their students’ required contribution. Stanford is much more generous toward middle-class and upper-middle class students than the federal government is. Most students who get subsidized loans and federal Pell Grants come from families making less than $60,000 per year. But it also enrolls an outsize proportion of wealthy students. In 2010, the university’s director of financial aid said the median family income at Stanford was around $125,000." From Truthdig.com Thanks for the insight. I'm definitely having my kids apply there.
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