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Post by Garand on Jun 15, 2015 19:32:11 GMT -5
Pat Haden is a pretty classy guy and Mick Haley has earned a lot of respect over the years, so if it happens, there will be a quiet conversation between them, and then Mick will announce his retirement. Given Mick's age, retirement will seem like a reasonable option, and no one will be the wiser. If it needs to happen, that's how it should happen.
Personally, I don't think it will happen. All programs go through cycles, and coaches are often permitted to ride out those difficult periods.
This one, however, may not be a cycle: historical West Coast powerhouses like USC, UCLA, and Stanford have steadily lost ground to teams from the Midwest and the East, and may never again dominate the way they have in the past.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jun 15, 2015 20:36:03 GMT -5
Wallace Ford is an upgrade over Gillis. I'll say it every day of the week! She's not going to do anything in that offense. And she can't pass! Ford is a more spectacular player, but Gillis is a better passer. Could be a wash.
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Post by bigfanofbigfan on Jun 16, 2015 9:37:28 GMT -5
She's not going to do anything in that offense. And she can't pass! Ford is a more spectacular player, but Gillis is a better passer. Could be a wash. If Gillis is a better passer than Ford at passing, then USC is in big trouble. So many shanked and bad passes by Gillis last year.
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Post by 642fiddi on Jun 16, 2015 10:30:23 GMT -5
How old is Mick Haley? How much longer will he coach? Isn't it risky for a 2017 or 2018 to commit to SC if he might retire? Per Wikipedia, if you trust it, he was born in August of 1943, making him 72 in a few months. He keeps himself in terrific shape, for those that don't see him often. I agree with other posters than unless pushed, he won't leave and is content to stay. As for the risk factor of a commit choosing USC for Mick, I'd say the same thing about any other coach at any other school. If the student-athlete is making the choice based on the coach, then they are making the wrong choice. Choices are made involving many variables. The reality is that the team/program will take up much more time than any one of a student athletes classes and as such the player will be in that environment a significant majority of their time. To assume that the coach is not a large part of the decision process is flawed thinking
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Post by trojansc on Jun 16, 2015 18:44:25 GMT -5
Withers transferring to USC is big. If Mick goes to the 5-1 Wallace-Ford, Ruddins, Abercrombie, and Withers will be competing for the other two pin hitters besides Bricio.
But with Alice, he could run a 6-2 or a 5-2. Lots of options for the Women of Troy and the talent is there.
Some concern lies in the fact that none of USC's players have Final Four experience. Thats a first in the Mick Haley era at USC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 18:46:51 GMT -5
Some concern lies in the fact that none of USC's players have Final Four experience. Thats a first in the Mick Haley era at USC. There is one way to fix that for the 2016 season!
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Post by bigfanofbigfan on Jun 16, 2015 18:56:34 GMT -5
Withers transferring to USC is big. If Mick goes to the 5-1 Wallace-Ford, Ruddins, Abercrombie, and Withers will be competing for the other two pin hitters besides Bricio. But with Alice, he could run a 6-2 or a 5-2. Lots of options for the Women of Troy and the talent is there. Some concern lies in the fact that none of USC's players have Final Four experience. Thats a first in the Mick Haley era at USC. That will change this coming season. Go Lady Trojans!
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Post by socalsurf on Jun 16, 2015 19:11:42 GMT -5
Is Withers eligible to play this fall, or does she have to sit out due to transfer rules? Even if she is cleared though, I think Ruddins will most likely start out as the second OH early on. She's a junior now and has the experience. Maybe they can have Wallace-Ford (or Withers) as an option to swing out of the backrow with that big vertical leap instead? Sure would be exciting; I'm just a little skeptical of putting Ford at the pin when she's maybe 5'10" whereas Ruddins is 6'3" and more experienced.
Obviously Bricio, Ogoms, and Whittingham's spots are all locked up at OH1, MB1, and L respectively, and I think you can throw in Abercrombie as a lock on the right side since they don't have another true OPP on the roster. That leaves the S position open, unless Mick runs a 6-2; the MB2 battle between Dunn and Reed (Dunn at 6'4", Reed at 6'1"), and then OH2. There aren't any stand out DS's on the roster either, unless anyone has watched the frosh from Norcal Victoria Garrick play. So yeah, not really sure how this is all gonna play out...
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Post by hammer on Jun 16, 2015 23:32:57 GMT -5
Some concern lies in the fact that none of USC's players have Final Four experience. Thats a first in the Mick Haley era at USC. There is one way to fix that for the 2016 season! +1 from Captain Obvious ...
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 16, 2015 23:47:47 GMT -5
Is Withers eligible to play this fall, or does she have to sit out due to transfer rules? Even if she is cleared though, I think Ruddins will most likely start out as the second OH early on. She's a junior now and has the experience. Maybe they can have Wallace-Ford (or Withers) as an option to swing out of the backrow with that big vertical leap instead? Sure would be exciting; I'm just a little skeptical of putting Ford at the pin when she's maybe 5'10" whereas Ruddins is 6'3" and more experienced. Obviously Bricio, Ogoms, and Whittingham's spots are all locked up at OH1, MB1, and L respectively, and I think you can throw in Abercrombie as a lock on the right side since they don't have another true OPP on the roster. That leaves the S position open, unless Mick runs a 6-2; the MB2 battle between Dunn and Reed (Dunn at 6'4", Reed at 6'1"), and then OH2. There aren't any stand out DS's on the roster either, unless anyone has watched the frosh from Norcal Victoria Garrick play. So yeah, not really sure how this is all gonna play out... Not enough depth on the bench for USC to be a contender.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 16, 2015 23:49:59 GMT -5
Is Withers eligible to play this fall, or does she have to sit out due to transfer rules? Even if she is cleared though, I think Ruddins will most likely start out as the second OH early on. She's a junior now and has the experience. Maybe they can have Wallace-Ford (or Withers) as an option to swing out of the backrow with that big vertical leap instead? Sure would be exciting; I'm just a little skeptical of putting Ford at the pin when she's maybe 5'10" whereas Ruddins is 6'3" and more experienced. Obviously Bricio, Ogoms, and Whittingham's spots are all locked up at OH1, MB1, and L respectively, and I think you can throw in Abercrombie as a lock on the right side since they don't have another true OPP on the roster. That leaves the S position open, unless Mick runs a 6-2; the MB2 battle between Dunn and Reed (Dunn at 6'4", Reed at 6'1"), and then OH2. There aren't any stand out DS's on the roster either, unless anyone has watched the frosh from Norcal Victoria Garrick play. So yeah, not really sure how this is all gonna play out... Not enough depth on the bench for USC to be a contender. I don't see USC within the top 10, maybe top 25. Possibly top 15. But the only thing they have going for them is Bricio.
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Post by BeiBei on Jun 17, 2015 1:14:58 GMT -5
Mick should just ditch the 6-2 offense cos he simply do not have the personnel to run it. He is trying to replicate what he did in 2002 and 2003 but he did not have the Burdine or Ross type player on the roster. Ross and Burdine are terminators who are great passers. The current team still have a lot of talent. I can see them finishing in the top 10 by year end. A lineup with Bricio and Ruddins at the outside, Ogoms and Dunn in the middle, Abercombie at opposite, Johnson setting and Taylor W at libero can beat many teams.
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Post by firedup on Jun 17, 2015 2:04:17 GMT -5
Per Wikipedia, if you trust it, he was born in August of 1943, making him 72 in a few months. He keeps himself in terrific shape, for those that don't see him often. I agree with other posters than unless pushed, he won't leave and is content to stay. As for the risk factor of a commit choosing USC for Mick, I'd say the same thing about any other coach at any other school. If the student-athlete is making the choice based on the coach, then they are making the wrong choice. Choices are made involving many variables. The reality is that the team/program will take up much more time than any one of a student athletes classes and as such the player will be in that environment a significant majority of their time. To assume that the coach is not a large part of the decision process is flawed thinking The "flawed thinking" is believing that the experience with the Volleyball program is more important than the degree and earning power that comes from completing it. The experience is a gateway to a bigger prize. You don't control the ability of that Athletics Department to keep that coach, you aren't completely in control of whether you get hurt or whether the injury ends your playing days, but you are in control of selecting a school that has educational opportunities, strong alumni bases and respected graduates that will help the transition to the real world when a player gets tapped on the shoulder and is told that her time is up. Sure the coach and his/her philosophy matters, as well as the balance of the staff, but it should be a much smaller part of the puzzle if what you say is true. Pick the School, student-athletes and NOT the Coach.
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Post by 642fiddi on Jun 17, 2015 11:59:04 GMT -5
I don't recall insinuating or making the statement that "the Volleyball program is more important than the degree and earning power that comes from completing it." If we were to believe your statement then the question could be asked that, as to why the IVY League isn't winning national championships year in and year out? While great in theory , reality paints a different picture. Coaches will always be an important part of the decision when a student athlete is passionate about the sport and academics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 14:28:42 GMT -5
why the IVY League isn't winning national championships year in and year out? Many top recruits cannot present the minimum entrance requirements (and those that can have Stanford as a better option and FREE) combined with the HUGE hurdle of money. Even the women that would likely get a full ride based on financial aid at the Ivies probably do not realize that, AND if it is not a full ride likely value a full ride at a great school (UT, MI, PSU, Duke, VA.... the list is long) over an almost full ride at an Ivy.
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