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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 18:53:42 GMT -5
Let's wait until they actually win a medal at any age group before we crown them the dominant Midwest club and a club that nobody can compete with. A very successful club? Yes, especially for the Midwest. But far from some club that no Midwest club can compete with. I honestly can't remember the last time a SPRI team medalled at Nationals in any age group. I can. There's one hanging in my room But in all reality there just seems to be a different mindset within the training in the Sports Performance program compared to other Midwest clubs (although admittedly I haven't attended practices at clubs like Ultimate). There's a heavy focus on building skill sets that serve as great building blocks towards having successful collegiate careers. It's the same mentality, albeit with a vastly different atmosphere, as their girl's program. It's suits their girls to winning national championships by the time their 18's, the younger girls tend to not win championships. It's the same with their guys, but the guys tend to catch up to the SoCal guys after graduating high school and playing for a couple more years, not before. SPRI is a very, very good program. I have nothing but respect for them. They produce high level players in pretty much every class. They compete nationwide in most age divisions. They produce fundamentally solid players. My only knock on their program and system would be that in some cases it's almost too robotic and limits their ability to be as dynamic as they can be. In my opinion, providing players with the tools to be fundamentally sound players while still allowing for a player to use their strengths and tailer their games around what they do well is the most difficult and most important thing a coach can do for an athlete (in any sport). The good thing about SRPI is that while demanding all their players use the exact same fundamentals in every aspect of the game, they are teaching good fundamentals. Their coaches seem to have the ability to get all of their players on the same page fundamentally. Just for conversation's sake, could this possibly be a reason why they may only begin passing up the best of the best talent when they have been in college for a year or 2? Could their college coaches possibly allow them as players to tinker with some of their tendencies, allowing them to maximize the potential, even if it isn't technically the perfect fundamentals you may like to see? I am genuinely curious as to your thoughts, as you obviously played for them based on your first sentence. I guess an example of what I mean would be that while Taylor Sander is obviously a very fundamentally sound volleyball player (you don't become as successful as he is without being solid in your fundamentals), his arm swing isn't the "picture perfect" arm swing. He has a little more whip in his arm and he's able to to swing in some different angles than a coach may want to teach his players, but it's part of why Taylor is so effective. Allowing an athlete the freedom to "play around" with those things can allow for some big time success.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 6:13:19 GMT -5
Sports Performance is a very good program and definitely in the top among the midwest but how many open national championships have the won? 0 The only midwest clubs to win an open national championship are West Allis Lightning(now disbanded) in Minneapolis and St Louis High Performance in like 06. My point here is that while they produce good individual players their teams have never converted that talent into a national championship Lightning's national championship in Minneapolis was at 13s. The 2 national championships with the rising senior college class was 16s in Austin the year before that and 18s in Dallas the year after that.
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Post by vboldschool on Jul 8, 2015 9:00:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:54:04 GMT -5
Because SPRI trains individual talent, not teams. Their practices consist of mostly technical work and positional training along with very little scrimmaging. SPRI may have only 1 open medal, but they have had plenty of 5th place finishes. They rely on their overwhelming individual talent to make it to the gold bracket but against the top teams, you need more than just talent to win. Messa you wouldn't be going to St. Francis Univ. without that training. Give it a rest. They train teams maybe your coach didn't on the lower teams.
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Post by vbsocal56 on Jul 8, 2015 14:16:14 GMT -5
Because SPRI trains individual talent, not teams. Their practices consist of mostly technical work and positional training along with very little scrimmaging. SPRI may have only 1 open medal, but they have had plenty of 5th place finishes. They rely on their overwhelming individual talent to make it to the gold bracket but against the top teams, you need more than just talent to win. So when it's time to face that nasty float serve or an incredible block, SPRI just can't respond with training
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Post by vboldschool on Jul 8, 2015 19:37:30 GMT -5
Because SPRI trains individual talent, not teams. Their practices consist of mostly technical work and positional training along with very little scrimmaging. SPRI may have only 1 open medal, but they have had plenty of 5th place finishes. They rely on their overwhelming individual talent to make it to the gold bracket but against the top teams, you need more than just talent to win. So when it's time to face that nasty float serve or an incredible block, SPRI just can't respond with training No. Hitting around a huge block and passing float serves are easy to train. SPRI can play sideout ball with the best of them. But when the ball goes back and forth over the net more than once, that's when they fall short. It's hard to program the SPRIbots to do the off-balance, diving, falling crazy digs and covers that get you from 5th place to 1st. Even the middles on the socal teams play better out-of-system defense then the OHs and liberos at SPRI. And on a really off set, SPRI bumps a free ball and socal rips it to a corner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 20:51:18 GMT -5
Funny how we have threads blasting HBC for their antics. Threads about how Pacific Rim brings in transplant players and those from far way. This thread has turned into a discussion about Sports Performance and their ability to train their players for the next level in an attempt to compete with players that start at a younger age like 10-14 year olds. Jaeschke a former SPVB player goes Pro and skips his senior year to possibly solidify a spot on Olympic team. 14-18 SPRI kids go onto college each year. College coaches must be stupid to want these guys in their programs.
Not bad for SPRI I would say.
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Post by vbf on Jul 8, 2015 21:11:01 GMT -5
I spoke to a parent of a Corona del Mar HS player and he gave me some amazing stats.
5 setters from CdM played in the open and club divisions at BJNC. All 5 made all-tournament teams and all will be returning next year. And they have another setter that won gold as a setter in 14s in 2012 that will be a senior this year. It must be tough to get playing time as a setter there.
Off the top of his head, there were ten players who won medals in the open divisions and at least another 3 that won medals in the club division. I find it crazy that one high school could have so many players win medals at one BJNC.
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Post by vbf on Jul 8, 2015 21:29:11 GMT -5
Will Gage Worsley play for the Pac Rim 18s team next year? I don't think they had a 16s team in club or open this year.
The Pac Rim 17s team looked really good at the SCVA Invite in January finishing 3rd but when they came back for the SCVA Classic in June they finished 9th and didn't look as strong and BJNC they finished 15th. With Worsley and if they get another guy to come in like Ma'a they could be a force.
I didn't realize San Juan 17s won a bronze in 16s last year. They won medals two years in a row.
SCVC will be the team to beat next year.
SCVC has had a good run - 15s Gold, 16s Silver, 17s Gold Balboa will likely be strong - 14s Gold, 15s Silver, 16s bronze, 17s bronze 949 - 16 gold, 17s bronze San Juan - 16s bronze, 17s silver
A lot of the Southern California teams were thin with talent and there was a lot of parity this year. It is likely talented players may shift and and concentrate talent to a couple teams. Which teams?
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Post by vbplayer88 on Jul 12, 2015 17:16:46 GMT -5
Will Gage Worsley play for the Pac Rim 18s team next year? I don't think they had a 16s team in club or open this year. The Pac Rim 17s team looked really good at the SCVA Invite in January finishing 3rd but when they came back for the SCVA Classic in June they finished 9th and didn't look as strong and BJNC they finished 15th. With Worsley and if they get another guy to come in like Ma'a they could be a force. I didn't realize San Juan 17s won a bronze in 16s last year. They won medals two years in a row. SCVC will be the team to beat next year. SCVC has had a good run - 15s Gold, 16s Silver, 17s Gold Balboa will likely be strong - 14s Gold, 15s Silver, 16s bronze, 17s bronze 949 - 16 gold, 17s bronze San Juan - 16s bronze, 17s silver A lot of the Southern California teams were thin with talent and there was a lot of parity this year. It is likely talented players may shift and and concentrate talent to a couple teams. Which teams? I believe 949 got gold in 15s, not 16s
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 18:53:46 GMT -5
Will Gage Worsley play for the Pac Rim 18s team next year? I don't think they had a 16s team in club or open this year. The Pac Rim 17s team looked really good at the SCVA Invite in January finishing 3rd but when they came back for the SCVA Classic in June they finished 9th and didn't look as strong and BJNC they finished 15th. With Worsley and if they get another guy to come in like Ma'a they could be a force. I didn't realize San Juan 17s won a bronze in 16s last year. They won medals two years in a row. SCVC will be the team to beat next year. SCVC has had a good run - 15s Gold, 16s Silver, 17s Gold Balboa will likely be strong - 14s Gold, 15s Silver, 16s bronze, 17s bronze 949 - 16 gold, 17s bronze San Juan - 16s bronze, 17s silver A lot of the Southern California teams were thin with talent and there was a lot of parity this year. It is likely talented players may shift and and concentrate talent to a couple teams. Which teams? I believe 949 got gold in 15s, not 16s No the original post was correct. 949 won Gold last year at 16s. SCVC won Gold the year before at 15s.
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