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Post by volleyguy on Aug 15, 2015 3:42:00 GMT -5
Croson came in with high expectations, but he really has under-performed as a head coach. Cal Poly is most likely the highest rated school academically in the Big West, but for some reason, he hasn't delivered in recruiting, team performance, systems or results. There's no good reason to believe that it's going to happen this year. Uh - aren't there four UCs in the Big West? Yes, there are. Cal Poly isn't a comprehensive university like UCI or UCSB, or Long Beach, but it is very competitive academically with all of them.
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Post by DaDawgFather on Aug 15, 2015 7:17:58 GMT -5
Croson came in with high expectations, but he really has under-performed as a head coach. Cal Poly is most likely the highest rated school academically in the Big West, but for some reason, he hasn't delivered in recruiting, team performance, systems or results. There's no good reason to believe that it's going to happen this year. Uh - aren't there four UCs in the Big West? Uh, yes. UC Davis, Irvine, Santa Barbara and Riverside.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 15, 2015 9:32:05 GMT -5
Uh - aren't there four UCs in the Big West? Yes, there are. Cal Poly isn't a comprehensive university like UCI or UCSB, or Long Beach, but it is very competitive academically with all of them. I don't believe Cal Poly would compare that favorably when it comes to reputation or any kind of "ranking" you'd find. I'm not saying it's a bad school, but the UCs were meant to be more competitive by design (i.e. the California Master Plan for Higher Education).
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Post by alarmclock on Aug 15, 2015 9:39:43 GMT -5
I'd take a degree in engineering or agricultural science from Cal-Poly over a liberal arts degree from UC-Berkeley any day. And my starting salary upon graduation would be a lot higher, too.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 15, 2015 9:45:09 GMT -5
Yes, there are. Cal Poly isn't a comprehensive university like UCI or UCSB, or Long Beach, but it is very competitive academically with all of them. I don't believe Cal Poly would compare that favorably when it comes to reputation or any kind of "ranking" you'd find. I'm not saying it's a bad school, but the UCs were meant to be more competitive by design (i.e. the California Master Plan for Higher Education). it depends on how you rank Cal Poly will never rank with Berkeley or Davis because of their endowments, professional schools (irrelevant for undergrad), and research (also largely irrelevant for undergrad). in terms of incoming students ranking & selectivity & mid-career salaries - Cal Poly ranks along with and in some cases better than Davis, Irvine, SB and no, the UCs were not meant to be more competitive by design, that is another subjective term. the UCs were meant to have a higher bar for qualification - it turns out even with a less stringent CSU standards for entrance Cal Poly is more selective than UCSB - and actually LB is more selective (ratio of admits to applicants) than many UCs (because of LB's sheer number of applicants). It all depends on how one terms 'competitive' in this case - competing for volleyball players - and I'd argue in many instances some UCs simply offer more 'prestige' or perceived reputation and that has value depending on one's value system - in some cases the reputation (for undergrad) is not on par with the either the cost or the ultimate benefit (mid-career salary is a good measure - it renders all the perception factors mute). Berkely & Cal Poly are very high in mid-career salary - UCLA's is surprisingly very pedestrian
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Post by BearClause on Aug 15, 2015 10:07:58 GMT -5
I don't believe Cal Poly would compare that favorably when it comes to reputation or any kind of "ranking" you'd find. I'm not saying it's a bad school, but the UCs were meant to be more competitive by design (i.e. the California Master Plan for Higher Education). it depends on how you rank Cal Poly will never rank with Berkeley or Davis because of their endowments, professional schools (irrelevant for undergrad), and research (also largely irrelevant for undergrad). in terms of incoming students ranking & selectivity & mid-career salaries - Cal Poly ranks along with and in some cases better than Davis, Irvine, SB and no, the UCs were not meant to be more competitive by design, that is another subjective term. the UCs were meant to have a higher bar for qualification - it turns out even with a less stringent CSU standards for entrance Cal Poly is more selective than UCSB - and actually LB is more selective (ratio of admits to applicants) than many UCs (because of LB's sheer number of applicants). It all depends on how one terms 'competitive' in this case - competing for volleyball players - and I'd argue in many instances some UCs simply offer more 'prestige' or perceived reputation and that has value depending on one's value system - in some cases the reputation (for undergrad) is not on par with the either the cost or the ultimate benefit (mid-career salary is a good measure - it renders all the perception factors mute). Berkely & Cal Poly are very high in mid-career salary - UCLA's is surprisingly very pedestrian But how does that compare with regard to "ranking"? I don't really know of any lists that describe Cal Poly as more than just a regional university. I get that a lot of the reputation rankings are heavily influenced by research. However, I don't know of many who would say that Cal Poly has a better reputation than UC Davis or UCSB.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 15, 2015 20:40:20 GMT -5
it depends on how you rank Cal Poly will never rank with Berkeley or Davis because of their endowments, professional schools (irrelevant for undergrad), and research (also largely irrelevant for undergrad). in terms of incoming students ranking & selectivity & mid-career salaries - Cal Poly ranks along with and in some cases better than Davis, Irvine, SB and no, the UCs were not meant to be more competitive by design, that is another subjective term. the UCs were meant to have a higher bar for qualification - it turns out even with a less stringent CSU standards for entrance Cal Poly is more selective than UCSB - and actually LB is more selective (ratio of admits to applicants) than many UCs (because of LB's sheer number of applicants). It all depends on how one terms 'competitive' in this case - competing for volleyball players - and I'd argue in many instances some UCs simply offer more 'prestige' or perceived reputation and that has value depending on one's value system - in some cases the reputation (for undergrad) is not on par with the either the cost or the ultimate benefit (mid-career salary is a good measure - it renders all the perception factors mute). Berkely & Cal Poly are very high in mid-career salary - UCLA's is surprisingly very pedestrian But how does that compare with regard to "ranking"? I don't really know of any lists that describe Cal Poly as more than just a regional university. I get that a lot of the reputation rankings are heavily influenced by research. However, I don't know of many who would say that Cal Poly has a better reputation than UC Davis or UCSB. lol - that's what happens when one comes from the 'ivory' world of Berkeley! Davis & Cal are national universities, Cal Poly is a regional/Masters university - so yeah in that since it will never have the 'reputation' (and snob appeal) of those two however, in the fields of UNDERGRAD engineering, architecture, & agriculture - Cal Poly DOES have the reputation (even exceeding) Cal & Berkeley. if you don't believe that, then I would surmise you are unfamiliar with industry in those fields but because Davis & Cal are RESEARCH universities, yeah Cal Poly won't have that 'reputation' - and IMO you are referring to a narrow view of reputation do Cal & Davis have a better reputation than Cal Poly?? - sure, it's called research, law, & medical schools in terms of volleyball players getting an undergrad degree, that reputation is of course a good perception to have recruiting, but in terms of undergrad education, Cal Poly is on par with Davis, Cal, UCLA, UCSB - if you doubt that, do some research and of course a lot depends on the field or degree heck, if I'm a volleyball player and want a science degree, I might pick UCSB over Cal Poly. if it's arts, I'd pick Long Beach over Cal Poly or Cal. if it's engineering I'd pick Poly over UCSB. if it's architecture (not that there are many VB architects), I'd pick Poly over any US university. if it's liberal arts or a lot of science fields, sure Cal wins out. but then again, if I'm a biochem major at Cal AND playing volleyball, that's a tough road to go for with the rigor and 4.6 students you are competing for As. it just depends on the program and person
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Post by jake on Aug 18, 2015 20:11:55 GMT -5
Pretty safe to say, coach Crosson's WVolleyball program at CAL POLY is as quiet as a tomb.
GoPOLY!!!
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Post by jake on Aug 21, 2015 16:50:51 GMT -5
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Post by voleyqueen on Aug 21, 2015 23:57:27 GMT -5
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Post by Garand on Aug 22, 2015 12:15:49 GMT -5
Looks like Jake has a soul mate.
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Post by jake on Aug 22, 2015 16:09:34 GMT -5
Looks like Jake has a soul mate. Yes it does...!
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Post by jake on Aug 23, 2015 1:29:40 GMT -5
Many thanks to the TRIB.,...bridging the gap.
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Post by jake on Aug 24, 2015 17:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by jake on Aug 26, 2015 0:27:51 GMT -5
Three more days and counting.
With the match do be played Friday 2 PM PST,...wonder if CAL POLY will make the 3.5 hour bus ride up to San Jose State the same day or will they leave Thursday.
GoPOLY!!!
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