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Post by n00b on Aug 2, 2015 8:59:58 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. For D1 if you are given a scholarship it is a full scholarship and cannot be split. But these scholarships are on a year to year basis. It is possible for a player to not have their scholarship for 4 years, but it is not possible at the D1 level to give a player a "partial scholarship" for that year. This is not true
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 2, 2015 10:27:23 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. For D1 if you are given a scholarship it is a full scholarship and cannot be split. But these scholarships are on a year to year basis. It is possible for a player to not have their scholarship for 4 years, but it is not possible at the D1 level to give a player a "partial scholarship" for that year. Curious where you got this info? It is incorrect. DI is not always a full ride. You can give partials and many DI's do. DI can split scholarship funds however they want (without exceeding a full ride) with up to 12 players receiving athletics aid. DI can be a 4 year scholarship or year to year renewal.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 2, 2015 17:19:20 GMT -5
DI can be a 4 year scholarship or year to year renewal. I thought it was previously against the rules to offer a four-year scholarship (as opposed to annual renewal). Didn't the NCAA only start allowing that only a short time ago?
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 2, 2015 17:22:49 GMT -5
DI can be a 4 year scholarship or year to year renewal. I thought it was previously against the rules to offer a four-year scholarship (as opposed to annual renewal). Didn't the NCAA only start allowing that a few months ago? Yes, it was available last signing period. So some kids have a true 4 year ride. It is up to the school/conference if they want to allow multi-year NLI's but it is legal with NCAA now. Vast majority are still annual renewal.
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Post by bayarea on Aug 2, 2015 17:27:55 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. For D1 if you are given a scholarship it is a full scholarship and cannot be split. But these scholarships are on a year to year basis. It is possible for a player to not have their scholarship for 4 years, but it is not possible at the D1 level to give a player a "partial scholarship" for that year. There is an explanation on page 2 of this thread, pertaining to D1 schools that are not fully funded and split funds among NO MORE than 12 players.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 2, 2015 20:31:02 GMT -5
If less than fully funded Div-1 schools can give less than full-scholarships (tuition and fees, room and board, and required course-related books) in a head-count sport, it begs the question whether such schools should be in Div-1 in the first place. I'd guess that well over half of Div-1 women's volleyball conferences are uncompetitive and primarily just serve as road-kill for the stronger (fully funded) conferences. I'd guess that three-fourths of such conferences are on the East Coast.
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 2, 2015 21:24:53 GMT -5
If less than fully funded Div-1 schools can give less than full-scholarships (tuition and fees, room and board, and required course-related books) in a head-count sport, it begs the question whether such schools should be in Div-1 in the first place. I'd guess that well over half of Div-1 women's volleyball conferences are uncompetitive and primarily just serve as road-kill for the stronger (fully funded) conferences. I'd guess that three-fourths of such conferences are on the East Coast. You are correct, many are DI just in name and your numbers are close. Some smaller or less VB funded schools are DI just for basketball - and trying for a piece of TV money there. Or trying to establish a DI football program to get into alumni pockets easier. Others go into DI to "keep up with the Jones'". Looking for prestige, with perhaps a President/AD that is a fan or ex-athlete. Some go DI to try to excel in a niche sport or two, and compete nationally only in those only.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Aug 3, 2015 9:22:37 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. Trollhunter is correct in serving me my crow (that's why I shouldn't answer when I'm rushed). Not every Division I program is fully funded (and with the new rules about stipends being paid to revenue sports like men's football and basketball, we may see more and more Division I programs lose their fully-funded status), and they can offer partials - correct me if I'm wrong troll, but I believe the difference is that in Division I you can only offer 12 players any type of partial athletic scholarship, while for Division II I believe you can spread it around more (8 full rides, 4 full rides + 8 half scholarships, 16 halves, etc.)
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Post by volleyballer4life on Aug 3, 2015 9:26:22 GMT -5
I thought it was previously against the rules to offer a four-year scholarship (as opposed to annual renewal). Didn't the NCAA only start allowing that a few months ago? Yes, it was available last signing period. So some kids have a true 4 year ride. It is up to the school/conference if they want to allow multi-year NLI's but it is legal with NCAA now. Vast majority are still annual renewal. The change was a results of the Ed O'Bannon court case dealing with players being compensated more given how much the schools (and NCAA) profited from them. While all sports now have the ability to offer scholarships that span 2-4 years, the amount of non-revenue athletes (AKA athletes not playing men's football/basketball) that will get multi-year scholarships is extremely low.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Aug 3, 2015 9:41:53 GMT -5
To add to what someone else said on page 2, while most kids won't get an athletic scholarship, being an athlete certainly helps a student maximize the aid they receive for a school (let me finish before people come with pitchforks and torches!)
If Student A and Student B have the same GPA and test scores, and Student A puts in an application as a "Stealth Applicant" (no contact with anyone at the school), and Student B is a volleyball player that reaches out to the coach, gets to know the application process, makes sure their essay puts their best foot forward and shows why they'd be a great fit for the school, Student B has a better chance of getting ALL the money they're eligible for. It's similar to a car dealership sticker price (Student A will pay) vs. "Let me talk to my manager" (Student B). The coach can have no part in the decision-making, but they can help the student to get them in contact with the right people in admissions/registrar so that their application doesn't get lost in the mix. There are usually thousands of applications per school each year, and schools rarely offer kids the max amount their accolades entitle them to with just a blind application. However, the more the student has shown an interest in their specific institution, the better chance of them offering them that full package their grades/extracurricular activities warrant, depending on the criteria that institution has in place for the application process.
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Post by aztecbuff on Aug 3, 2015 10:10:26 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. Trollhunter is correct in serving me my crow (that's why I shouldn't answer when I'm rushed). Not every Division I program is fully funded (and with the new rules about stipends being paid to revenue sports like men's football and basketball, we may see more and more Division I programs lose their fully-funded status), and they can offer partials - correct me if I'm wrong troll, but I believe the difference is that in Division I you can only offer 12 players any type of partial athletic scholarship, while for Division II I believe you can spread it around more (8 full rides, 4 full rides + 8 half scholarships, 16 halves, etc.) Not directly related to this thread, so apologize in advance, but just one correction to the above- ALL scholarship athletes in ALL sports are receiving the stipends, at least at the "P5" conference schools (and any other schools who've elected to pay the stipends), not just football and basketball players. From an article that includes discussing the U. of Colorado's implementation of the stipends (http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_27990036/colorado-prepared-cost-attendance-stipends-begin-aug-1)- " In January the five power conferences approved by a vote of 79-1 a measure to offer scholarships that cover more than tuition, books, and room and board. The lone school extending the dissenting vote was not revealed. The COA allowance will be added to the monthly stipends provided to scholarship athletes for tuition, books, and room and board. Although the CU figures haven't been finalized, athletic director Rick George said the stipend for athletes on full scholarship at the school will range from $2,600 to $3,200 annually. That works out to an additional payment of more than $200 per month for those on a full scholarship in all men's and women's sports. Athletes on partial scholarships (commonplace for sports other than football and men's and women's basketball) will receive a percentage of the COA stipend coinciding with the level of their partial scholarship. The COA stipend goes into effect Aug. 1 for the Atlantic Coast, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern conferences that received autonomous authority from the NCAA last August and now can vote on rules or issues that may not be adopted by other leagues. "
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Post by volleyballer4life on Aug 3, 2015 10:34:04 GMT -5
Trollhunter is correct in serving me my crow (that's why I shouldn't answer when I'm rushed). Not every Division I program is fully funded (and with the new rules about stipends being paid to revenue sports like men's football and basketball, we may see more and more Division I programs lose their fully-funded status), and they can offer partials - correct me if I'm wrong troll, but I believe the difference is that in Division I you can only offer 12 players any type of partial athletic scholarship, while for Division II I believe you can spread it around more (8 full rides, 4 full rides + 8 half scholarships, 16 halves, etc.) Not directly related to this thread, so apologize in advance, but just one correction to the above- ALL scholarship athletes in ALL sports are receiving the stipends, at least at the "P5" conference schools (and any other schools who've elected to pay the stipends), not just football and basketball players. From an article that includes discussing the U. of Colorado's implementation of the stipends (http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_27990036/colorado-prepared-cost-attendance-stipends-begin-aug-1)- " In January the five power conferences approved by a vote of 79-1 a measure to offer scholarships that cover more than tuition, books, and room and board. The lone school extending the dissenting vote was not revealed. The COA allowance will be added to the monthly stipends provided to scholarship athletes for tuition, books, and room and board. Although the CU figures haven't been finalized, athletic director Rick George said the stipend for athletes on full scholarship at the school will range from $2,600 to $3,200 annually. That works out to an additional payment of more than $200 per month for those on a full scholarship in all men's and women's sports. Athletes on partial scholarships (commonplace for sports other than football and men's and women's basketball) will receive a percentage of the COA stipend coinciding with the level of their partial scholarship. The COA stipend goes into effect Aug. 1 for the Atlantic Coast, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern conferences that received autonomous authority from the NCAA last August and now can vote on rules or issues that may not be adopted by other leagues. " "At least in the Power 5 conferences" is correct - but the other 250+ schools that don't have the revenue flowing that the Power 5 conferences have will be hurt by this. Kathy DeBoer has been a huge voice on the potential detrimental effect this could have on the smaller Division I schools. Not really a correction as much as additional information
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 3, 2015 10:37:30 GMT -5
Wrong and wrong. See my post above. Trollhunter is correct in serving me my crow (that's why I shouldn't answer when I'm rushed). Not every Division I program is fully funded (and with the new rules about stipends being paid to revenue sports like men's football and basketball, we may see more and more Division I programs lose their fully-funded status), and they can offer partials - correct me if I'm wrong troll, but I believe the difference is that in Division I you can only offer 12 players any type of partial athletic scholarship, while for Division II I believe you can spread it around more (8 full rides, 4 full rides + 8 half scholarships, 16 halves, etc.) Yep you got it right this time. DI is limited to 12 athletes on scholarship receiving athletics aid - D2 can chop up scholarships to any number of players.
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 3, 2015 10:42:09 GMT -5
Trollhunter is correct in serving me my crow (that's why I shouldn't answer when I'm rushed). Not every Division I program is fully funded (and with the new rules about stipends being paid to revenue sports like men's football and basketball, we may see more and more Division I programs lose their fully-funded status), and they can offer partials - correct me if I'm wrong troll, but I believe the difference is that in Division I you can only offer 12 players any type of partial athletic scholarship, while for Division II I believe you can spread it around more (8 full rides, 4 full rides + 8 half scholarships, 16 halves, etc.) Not directly related to this thread, so apologize in advance, but just one correction to the above- ALL scholarship athletes in ALL sports are receiving the stipends, at least at the "P5" conference schools (and any other schools who've elected to pay the stipends), not just football and basketball players. From an article that includes discussing the U. of Colorado's implementation of the stipends (http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_27990036/colorado-prepared-cost-attendance-stipends-begin-aug-1)- " In January the five power conferences approved by a vote of 79-1 a measure to offer scholarships that cover more than tuition, books, and room and board. The lone school extending the dissenting vote was not revealed. The COA allowance will be added to the monthly stipends provided to scholarship athletes for tuition, books, and room and board. Although the CU figures haven't been finalized, athletic director Rick George said the stipend for athletes on full scholarship at the school will range from $2,600 to $3,200 annually. That works out to an additional payment of more than $200 per month for those on a full scholarship in all men's and women's sports. Athletes on partial scholarships (commonplace for sports other than football and men's and women's basketball) will receive a percentage of the COA stipend coinciding with the level of their partial scholarship. The COA stipend goes into effect Aug. 1 for the Atlantic Coast, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern conferences that received autonomous authority from the NCAA last August and now can vote on rules or issues that may not be adopted by other leagues. " This is a correct, thanks for sharing. Important to note the quote "Athletes on partial scholarships (commonplace for sports other than football and basketball)...." Also to note that not everyone is getting the additional allowance yet. Most schools have announced a plan to implement the stipend to a couple of sports each year over the next decade. Of course they will start with football and/or basketball the first year.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 3, 2015 16:20:36 GMT -5
It's similar to a car dealership sticker price (Student A will pay) vs. "Let me talk to my manager" (Student B). Well, except "let me talk to my manager" is actually a tactic used to increase the sales price, not decrease it. The salesman is NOT fighting on your side, you know, despite everything he does to make you feel like he is.
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