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Post by courtmama on Nov 9, 2015 12:35:24 GMT -5
How about that Cal Lu regional? #3 WU-StL v UCSC; #12 S'western v #10 CMS: #7 Colorado v #9 (host) Cal Lu; #17 Tex-Dallas v Whitworth. Looks like EBTU and La Verne out of the West have a beef here...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 12:40:30 GMT -5
That west region is brutal. It doesn't help that they're sending Wash U out there too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 12:42:16 GMT -5
How about that Cal Lu regional? #3 WU-StL v UCSC; #12 S'western v #10 CMS: #7 Colorado v #9 (host) Cal Lu; #17 Tex-Dallas v Whitworth. Looks like EBTU and La Verne out of the West have a beef here... ETBU lost to Hardin-Simmons and Concordia in their conference tournament.
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Post by courtmama on Nov 9, 2015 12:56:26 GMT -5
Got that, but EBTU's RPI or Massey still had to be higher than some of the other Pool C teams (non AQ teams) that got in, right? Same for La Verne. In any case, we look forward to watching some quality matches up here in the Conejo Valley this weekend!
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Post by joc on Nov 9, 2015 19:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by d3coach on Nov 9, 2015 20:54:08 GMT -5
ONU got hosed, and CMU wasn't far behind. Ever since they decided to reduce the number of ranked teams in the region it has further helped the weak regions with more teams get even more representation rather than picking the best teams.
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Post by awgriffey on Nov 10, 2015 1:08:15 GMT -5
Speaking of getting hosed, how did the number 18 ranked team in the country in La Verne not get in? Adding insult to injury UC Santa Cruz got an automatic bid into the west region for winning the GSAC, or Great South Athletic Conference out of Atlanta. Yes, it is the Santa Cruz from out of Northern California, and the conference is in Atlanta. UCSC doesn't even show up as part of the GSAC on the GSAC website. www.greatsouth.org/sports/wvball/indexLooks like Santa Cruz won the league tournament by going 2-0 in league? That qualifies an 11-11 team for an automatic bid? As if that's not bad enough, how does a team that wins a league in Atlanta end up in the West region? Does this make sense to anybody. By the way, the West region is completely stacked.
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Post by awgriffey on Nov 10, 2015 1:24:50 GMT -5
The highest ranked team to not get into the tournament would be La Verne out of the West Coast who was ranked 18th, yet they weren't one of the top 4 snubs? Interesting, but the writer does admit to a NY bias, which is proven by his admission of Union who doesn't even have a vote in the "others" category of the DIII rankings. The 4 highest rated teams to not get in are #18 La Verne, #21 Wis-Osh Kosh, #22 Ohio Wesleyen, and #24 Carnegie Mellon.
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Post by d3coach on Nov 10, 2015 3:36:41 GMT -5
D3 national rankings have even less validity than the tournament choices.
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Post by joc on Nov 10, 2015 7:44:48 GMT -5
The highest ranked team to not get into the tournament would be La Verne out of the West Coast who was ranked 18th, yet they weren't one of the top 4 snubs? Interesting, but the writer does admit to a NY bias, which is proven by his admission of Union who doesn't even have a vote in the "others" category of the DIII rankings. The 4 highest rated teams to not get in are #18 La Verne, #21 Wis-Osh Kosh, #22 Ohio Wesleyen, and #24 Carnegie Mellon. Since the basis for selecting the field relies more on Regional Rankings, I completely ignored the AVCA National Poll, since that is what is done during the selection process. When looking at those rankings, Union was a two in their region, ONU a six, and CMU a five. La Verne was a seven and hence, why they didn't make the article. They were even ranked behind East Texas Baptist in their own Region. I would have put them in consideration before the Leaopards. Same reason Oshkosh didn't get a mention, they weren't even in the Regional Rankings to end the year. How To Tell What Type of Volleyball Player by the Ball They OwnSports Themed Volleyball Drills
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 10, 2015 9:14:51 GMT -5
D3 national rankings have even less validity than the tournament choices. But Pablo does D3 very well. It has Ohio Wesleyan #18, La Verne #24, Osh Kosh 38 and CMU out at 40. Union is #125. Of course, you have to view these from regional perspectives, but in terms of at-larges, they usually find ways to get better teams in. If Union had gotten in, it would have been a sign of how big of a mess D3 is. Fortunately, smarter heads prevailed there, at least. It doesn't matter that they were a 2 in the region when the region doesn't compare to others.
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Post by awgriffey on Nov 10, 2015 9:36:32 GMT -5
The highest ranked team to not get into the tournament would be La Verne out of the West Coast who was ranked 18th, yet they weren't one of the top 4 snubs? Interesting, but the writer does admit to a NY bias, which is proven by his admission of Union who doesn't even have a vote in the "others" category of the DIII rankings. The 4 highest rated teams to not get in are #18 La Verne, #21 Wis-Osh Kosh, #22 Ohio Wesleyen, and #24 Carnegie Mellon. Since the basis for selecting the field relies more on Regional Rankings, I completely ignored the AVCA National Poll, since that is what is done during the selection process. When looking at those rankings, Union was a two in their region, ONU a six, and CMU a five. La Verne was a seven and hence, why they didn't make the article. They were even ranked behind East Texas Baptist in their own Region. I would have put them in consideration before the Leaopards. Same reason Oshkosh didn't get a mention, they weren't even in the Regional Rankings to end the year. How To Tell What Type of Volleyball Player by the Ball They OwnSports Themed Volleyball DrillsI'm new to D3, but being number 2 in a weak region shouldn't give you priority over being number 7 in a deep one. Can you imagine a scenario in D1 where the 18th ranked team in the final poll didn't make the tournament? Prepvolleyball had La Verne as high as 10th this year after they beat Cal Lu, and Prepvolleyball's rankings made a lot more sense than the NCAA's. Getting off my La Verne bandwagon, can you explain to me how UCSC got in? Nobody is even attempting to answer that one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 10:24:05 GMT -5
Since the basis for selecting the field relies more on Regional Rankings, I completely ignored the AVCA National Poll, since that is what is done during the selection process. When looking at those rankings, Union was a two in their region, ONU a six, and CMU a five. La Verne was a seven and hence, why they didn't make the article. They were even ranked behind East Texas Baptist in their own Region. I would have put them in consideration before the Leaopards. Same reason Oshkosh didn't get a mention, they weren't even in the Regional Rankings to end the year. How To Tell What Type of Volleyball Player by the Ball They OwnSports Themed Volleyball DrillsI'm new to D3, but being number 2 in a weak region shouldn't give you priority over being number 7 in a deep one. Can you imagine a scenario in D1 where the 18th ranked team in the final poll didn't make the tournament? Prepvolleyball had La Verne as high as 10th this year after they beat Cal Lu, and Prepvolleyball's rankings made a lot more sense than the NCAA's. Getting off my La Verne bandwagon, can you explain to me how UCSC got in? Nobody is even attempting to answer that one. UCSC got their conference AQ.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 11:09:04 GMT -5
Getting off my La Verne bandwagon, can you explain to me how UCSC got in? Nobody is even attempting to answer that one. This is very confusing because you yourself said that they got the automatic bid for winning the GSAC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 11:15:53 GMT -5
The NCAA is very money-conscious when it comes to D3. Often when deciding between two teams with similar resumes for one spot, they go with the cheaper option (typically based on distance; can they drive instead of fly, who has cheaper flights, etc). This doesn't appear to be the case with La Verne since the regional is at Cal Lu and there are teams from farther away that are at that region. However, if all of the others were AQ's (I do not know if they were or not) this would explain why they didn't get in. On a different note, in the ten years or so that I've been following D3, I never remember Wash U going to the west region.
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