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Post by tclenpsu1 on Aug 31, 2015 18:11:11 GMT -5
How many final fours and/or national championships did Penn State win prior to joining the Big Ten ? None that I remember. PSU VB wasn't fully funded until joining the Big Ten. Penn State began dominating the Big Ten almost immediately. They finished second or third in 1991 and won the conference title the next year. If you are suggesting the Big Ten made Penn State better, I hope you aren't talking about the level of competition. Even Russ has said that until only recently when he looked at other Big Ten teams he rarely saw anyone who could play for Penn State. Dude, I know you are a big PSU fan but I don't believe Russ would say something like that, prove it. You are full of s**t. Go root for the Citadel.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 31, 2015 18:21:40 GMT -5
How many final fours and/or national championships did Penn State win prior to joining the Big Ten ? None that I remember. PSU VB wasn't fully funded until joining the Big Ten. Penn State began dominating the Big Ten almost immediately. They finished second or third in 1991 and won the conference title the next year. If you are suggesting the Big Ten made Penn State better, I hope you aren't talking about the level of competition. Even Russ has said that until only recently when he looked at other Big Ten teams he rarely saw anyone who could play for Penn State. He would never, ever, ever say that, publicly or privately. He doesn't operate that way, nor does he believe that. You need to stop. The one thing he would tell you, is that they would have never won a title had that not been in that league or the PAC. The Big Ten made PSU waaaaaaaay better, in every way. It made them invest more resources, , allowed them to get top recruits they wouldnt have gotten if they werent in that league, and forced them to play at a high level night in and night out. Talk out of your hat all you want, but don't misrepresent people. Nearly everything you have said is fundamentally false and or idiotic.
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 31, 2015 19:00:56 GMT -5
You are absolutely wrong about the quotation. It was reported in either the Collegian or CDT. I believe he said it two seasons ago. It was linked by someone on VT.
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Post by gnu2vball on Aug 31, 2015 20:13:47 GMT -5
You are absolutely wrong about the quotation. It was reported in either the Collegian or CDT. I believe he said it two seasons ago. It was linked by someone on VT. I remember (during the 2010 championship--I think) Karch Kiraly attributing a statement to Rose that "recently players on the other side of the net were good enough to start for PSU." He did not refer specifically to B1G teams--or any other conference for that matter.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 31, 2015 20:44:49 GMT -5
You are absolutely wrong about the quotation. It was reported in either the Collegian or CDT. I believe he said it two seasons ago. It was linked by someone on VT. I remember (during the 2010 championship--I think) Karch Kiraly attributing a statement to Rose that "recently players on the other side of the net were good enough to start for PSU." He did not refer specifically to B1G teams--or any other conference for that matter. I'd sure like to see that, and even if I did, I would say he was mis quoted. Those who know him know he would NEVER say that private or public.
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Post by FreeBall on Aug 31, 2015 20:50:34 GMT -5
You are absolutely wrong about the quotation. It was reported in either the Collegian or CDT. I believe he said it two seasons ago. It was linked by someone on VT. . . . attributing a statement to Rose that "recently players on the other side of the net were good enough to start for PSU." To me this says the exact opposite of what HappyVolley was claiming. Are you sure you wrote your post the way you meant?
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Post by gnu2vball on Aug 31, 2015 20:53:14 GMT -5
I remember (during the 2010 championship--I think) Karch Kiraly attributing a statement to Rose that "recently players on the other side of the net were good enough to start for PSU." He did not refer specifically to B1G teams--or any other conference for that matter. I'd sure like to see that, and even if I did, I would say he was mis quoted. Those who know him know he would NEVER say that private or public. Kiraly didn't make it sound as obnoxious as it does "in print." I'll try to find it and send you the link. My use of "quotes" was probably ill-advised--what he was trying to convey is that there are more quality players in the volleyball "universe" and PSU more frequently has been finding itself facing players they recruited, but did not get.
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Post by rampageripster on Aug 31, 2015 21:51:55 GMT -5
Yawn... it's been one weekend. Come talk to me in a month
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Post by gnu2vball on Aug 31, 2015 21:53:16 GMT -5
None that I remember. PSU VB wasn't fully funded until joining the Big Ten. Penn State began dominating the Big Ten almost immediately. They finished second or third in 1991 and won the conference title the next year. If you are suggesting the Big Ten made Penn State better, I hope you aren't talking about the level of competition. Even Russ has said that until only recently when he looked at other Big Ten teams he rarely saw anyone who could play for Penn State. He would never, ever, ever say that, publicly or privately. He doesn't operate that way, nor does he believe that. You need to stop. The one thing he would tell you, is that they would have never won a title had that not been in that league or the PAC. The Big Ten made PSU waaaaaaaay better, in every way. It made them invest more resources, , allowed them to get top recruits they wouldnt have gotten if they werent in that league, and forced them to play at a high level night in and night out. Talk out of your hat all you want, but don't misrepresent people. Nearly everything you have said is fundamentally false and or idiotic. OK. I found it.
I misspoke. It was Beth Mowins quoting Coach Rose, not Karch Kiraly.
Here's a link to the 2010 California vs PSU National Championship Match:
It's at 44:18 -- during the second set.
I can't speak to the accuracy of Mowin's quoting Rose, but it doesn't sound as bad as it reads.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Aug 31, 2015 22:17:49 GMT -5
How did a Big Ten Sleeper thread turn into a quote about Rose and Penn State I'll come back when we get back on topic here.
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Post by fightingminime on Aug 31, 2015 22:44:37 GMT -5
Yep. Want the list? Here you go: Wyoming over OSU TAMU over Minnesota Northern Illinois over Iowa W Kentucky over Wisconsin Cleveland State over Indiana Kentucky over MSU I personally think Minnesota only scoring 56 points in a sweep by the Cardinal counts, too. I'll give Rutgers a pass. Can we at least be a little fair to the Spartans? They did lose a 6 rotation outside in set 4 of that 5 set match vs Kentucky.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 31, 2015 23:41:15 GMT -5
None that I remember. PSU VB wasn't fully funded until joining the Big Ten. Penn State began dominating the Big Ten almost immediately. They finished second or third in 1991 and won the conference title the next year. If you are suggesting the Big Ten made Penn State better, I hope you aren't talking about the level of competition. Even Russ has said that until only recently when he looked at other Big Ten teams he rarely saw anyone who could play for Penn State. He would never, ever, ever say that, publicly or privately. He doesn't operate that way, nor does he believe that. You need to stop. The one thing he would tell you, is that they would have never won a title had that not been in that league or the PAC. The Big Ten made PSU waaaaaaaay better, in every way. It made them invest more resources, , allowed them to get top recruits they wouldnt have gotten if they werent in that league, and forced them to play at a high level night in and night out. Talk out of your hat all you want, but don't misrepresent people. Nearly everything you have said is fundamentally false and or idiotic. I remember that quote. It was from a the match between Cal and Penn State in the NT. Why do you always assume to know what RR would or would not say? You are making RR like some kind of a god. I respect RR and appreciate what he does, but he's still human, ya know. I am not defending "HappyVolley," but you need to take a break from being RR's attorney once in a while.
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Post by curly on Sept 1, 2015 7:36:27 GMT -5
Can we at least be a little fair to the Spartans? They did lose a 6 rotation outside in set 4 of that 5 set match vs Kentucky. And: Kentucky is ranked #15 in the country, The Spartans outscored the Wildcats overall for the match, The game stats for the two teams were basically a dead heat, with the Spartans leading in some categories, just like the score. This seems like a good early season result, not a weak one, at least a start toward confirming that MSU is a top-twenty team.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 1, 2015 7:43:16 GMT -5
He would never, ever, ever say that, publicly or privately. He doesn't operate that way, nor does he believe that. You need to stop. The one thing he would tell you, is that they would have never won a title had that not been in that league or the PAC. The Big Ten made PSU waaaaaaaay better, in every way. It made them invest more resources, , allowed them to get top recruits they wouldnt have gotten if they werent in that league, and forced them to play at a high level night in and night out. Talk out of your hat all you want, but don't misrepresent people. Nearly everything you have said is fundamentally false and or idiotic. I remember that quote. It was from a the match between Cal and Penn State in the NT. Why do you always assume to know what RR would or would not say? You are making RR like some kind of a god. I respect RR and appreciate what he does, but he's still human, ya know. I am not defending "HappyVolley," but you need to take a break from being RR's attorney once in a while. I think you miss the point which is I totally disagree with those putting PSU or Rose out there as Gods or the greatest thing since sliced bread. They don't do that, so I wish people wouldnt. If you know someone well over a long period of time, you have a pretty good sense of things they do and dont do. I believe ANYONE who knows Rose would doubt at the highest level that he would say that, or probably even think that. I couldnt imagine anyone I know making a statement that out of character. That is not a Rose quote, that is Mowins saying what he said. How often to announcers paraphrase mis quote, misunderstand, embellish...............
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 1, 2015 7:47:02 GMT -5
He would never, ever, ever say that, publicly or privately. He doesn't operate that way, nor does he believe that. You need to stop. The one thing he would tell you, is that they would have never won a title had that not been in that league or the PAC. The Big Ten made PSU waaaaaaaay better, in every way. It made them invest more resources, , allowed them to get top recruits they wouldnt have gotten if they werent in that league, and forced them to play at a high level night in and night out. Talk out of your hat all you want, but don't misrepresent people. Nearly everything you have said is fundamentally false and or idiotic. OK. I found it.
I misspoke. It was Beth Mowins quoting Coach Rose, not Karch Kiraly.
Here's a link to the 2010 California vs PSU National Championship Match:
It's at 44:18 -- during the second set.
I can't speak to the accuracy of Mowin's quoting Rose, but it doesn't sound as bad as it reads.
She also says he said "I wouldnt want anyone else starting for us" then adds could. I can see him saying the prior which is "i love the kids we have and wouldnt trade them for anyone" which is FAR different than nobody else is good enough. Again, something he would never say.
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