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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 9, 2015 10:08:49 GMT -5
What would be interesting is which of the winners has played the lightest schedule, and which of the winless has played the toughest... Of the winners........hands down Washington, and their schedule that is left before conference begins is no better so they will go into PAC play undefeated with no real significant win.
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Post by FreeBall on Sept 9, 2015 10:46:16 GMT -5
Undefeated(5-0) No.1 Penn State (4-0) No.2 Florida (6-0) No.6 USC (5-0) No.8 Washington (6-0) No.10 Arizona State (6-0) No.13 Arizona (6-0) No.22 Kansas (6-0) No.24 Michigan (4-0) Coastal Carolina (6-0) Kennesaw State (8-0) Maryland (6-0) Missouri (8-0) Southern Miss (8-0) Tennessee (7-0) UMES (8-0) USC Upstate (6-0) Valparaiso (6-0) Virginia Tech Defeated(0-7) Abilene Christian (0-6) Arkansas-Pine Bluff (0-5) Buffalo (0-6) Chicago State (0-6) Colgate (0-3) Columbia (0-6) Coppin State (0-3) Dartmouth (0-6) Grand Canyon (0-6) Hampton (0-7) Hartford (0-6) Holy Cross (0-8) Jackson State (0-8) Mississippi Valley State (0-6) Norfolk State (0-8) Prairie View A&M (0-7) Southern (0-7) St. Francis Brooklyn (0-4) Tennessee State (0-6) Tennessee Tech (0-7) UMass-Lowell (0-6) Western Illinois (0-7) Winthrop Add two to the Undefeated list: San Francisco 6-0 Syracuse 5-0 Add six to the Defeated list: Cal State Fullerton 0-6 Florida A & M 0-7 LIU Brooklyn 0-4 N. Carolina Central 0-8 Savannah State 0-8 South Carolina State 0-4 Also, remove St. Francis Brooklyn from the Defeated list. Per Rich Kern, they have a win over Saint Peters and a record of 1-7.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 9, 2015 10:54:39 GMT -5
[/quote]The ASun has two undefeated teams, USC Upstate and Kennesaw State[/quote]
I had them in the Big South, which I see now is not correct for Volleyball. So it should be 1 Big South and 2 ASun.
I see with the added list above that a lot more MEAC and SWAC conference teams added to the defeated list.
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Post by Mocha on Sept 9, 2015 11:58:55 GMT -5
The SWAC has four teams on the winless list. It would be five if you don't count Alcorn's lone win over Div. II Mississippi College.
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Post by ja on Sept 9, 2015 12:06:51 GMT -5
What do you have against Syracuse? 5-0! All last year people where all over Leonid, he was a hot topic on HOT SEAT. Why not to put him back on very hot seat now? Great job, just keep rolling!
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 9, 2015 12:15:48 GMT -5
What would be interesting is which of the winners has played the lightest schedule, and which of the winless has played the toughest... Of the winners........hands down Washington, and their schedule that is left before conference begins is no better so they will go into PAC play undefeated with no real significant win. Possibly amusing, not really defendable. Washington's schedule thus far is not close to being the worst among the teams on the undefeated list.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 9, 2015 12:24:39 GMT -5
Of the winners........hands down Washington, and their schedule that is left before conference begins is no better so they will go into PAC play undefeated with no real significant win. Possibly amusing, not really defendable. Washington's schedule thus far is not close to being the worst among the teams on the undefeated list. Maryland?
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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 9, 2015 12:29:06 GMT -5
Of the winners........hands down Washington, and their schedule that is left before conference begins is no better so they will go into PAC play undefeated with no real significant win. Possibly amusing, not really defendable. Washington's schedule thus far is not close to being the worst among the teams on the undefeated list. I left out an important part of my post. Of the ranked winners Washington has had the easiest schedule. You may still disagree, but IMO I do not see one quality win through pre-season.
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Post by rockhopper on Sept 9, 2015 12:37:10 GMT -5
The ASun has two undefeated teams, USC Upstate and Kennesaw State[/quote] I had them in the Big South, which I see now is not correct for Volleyball. So it should be 1 Big South and 2 ASun. I see with the added list above that a lot more MEAC and SWAC conference teams added to the defeated list. [/quote] KSU plays football in the Big South
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Post by jcvball22 on Sept 9, 2015 12:51:10 GMT -5
Possibly amusing, not really defendable. Washington's schedule thus far is not close to being the worst among the teams on the undefeated list. Maryland? I was going to go with Tennessee...
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 9, 2015 15:58:38 GMT -5
Possibly amusing, not really defendable. Washington's schedule thus far is not close to being the worst among the teams on the undefeated list. I left out an important part of my post. Of the ranked winners Washington has had the easiest schedule. You may still disagree, but IMO I do not see one quality win through pre-season. The qualifer makes a difference. I have decided to try and quantify (via Pablo rating) the schedules of the 8 unbeaten ranked teams. There is different ways to define difficult schedules - so I will look at two ways: Toughest top opponents: 1) Penn State: Stanford (#3) and Colorado (#34) 2) Florida: Texas (#4) and Oregon (#10) - combined, this is probably more impressive than Penn State 3) USC: BYU (#5) and North Carolina (#33) 4) Arizona State: Colorado State (#18) and New Mexico State (#82) 5) Kansas: Duke (#27) and Arkansas (#80) 6) Washington: Gonzaga (#29) and Boise State (#63) - probably more impressive than Kansas 7) Michigan: Ohio (#35) and LSU (#90) 8) Arizona: SMU (#41) and Cal State Northridge (#98) Average Pablo rating for all oponents: 1) Florida - 5858 2) Michigan - 5552 - only 2 of the 6 are in the top 10, but also no bad teams on the schedule 3) USC - 5516 4 of the 6 are in top 60, but Chicago State (#311) brings down this average 4) Penn State - 5385 2 of the 5 teams are pretty bad 5) Washington - 5351 3 of the 5 teams are in the top 100 6) Arizona State - 5172 2 of the 6 in the top 100 7) Arizona - 5018 8) Kansas - 4973 I would say that Florida, Penn State, and USC have the most impressive schedules so far and personal opinion to rank the other 5 teams.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 9, 2015 16:10:03 GMT -5
The poor MEAC and SWAC really should have a series of matches with each other, and then commence with conference play.
What are the biggest surprises on the undefeated/defeated list? (trying to adjust for cupcake schedules on the undefeated side)
I'm going with Michigan, Syracuse, UMES.
On the other side, Colgate, LIU-Brooklyn (this is without studying the schedules too much)
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 9, 2015 18:11:27 GMT -5
What would be interesting is which of the winners has played the lightest schedule, and which of the winless has played the toughest... Of the winners........hands down Washington, and their schedule that is left before conference begins is no better so they will go into PAC play undefeated with no real significant win. They are 1-0 against a whole nation (not their junior team), however...
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 9, 2015 21:38:32 GMT -5
I left out an important part of my post. Of the ranked winners Washington has had the easiest schedule. You may still disagree, but IMO I do not see one quality win through pre-season. The qualifer makes a difference. I have decided to try and quantify (via Pablo rating) the schedules of the 8 unbeaten ranked teams. There is different ways to define difficult schedules - so I will look at two ways: Toughest top opponents: 1) Penn State: Stanford (#3) and Colorado (#34) 2) Florida: Texas (#4) and Oregon (#10) - combined, this is probably more impressive than Penn State 3) USC: BYU (#5) and North Carolina (#33) 4) Arizona State: Colorado State (#18) and New Mexico State (#82) 5) Kansas: Duke (#27) and Arkansas (#80) 6) Washington: Gonzaga (#29) and Boise State (#63) - probably more impressive than Kansas 7) Michigan: Ohio (#35) and LSU (#90) 8) Arizona: SMU (#41) and Cal State Northridge (#98) Average Pablo rating for all oponents: 1) Florida - 5858 2) Michigan - 5552 - only 2 of the 6 are in the top 10, but also no bad teams on the schedule 3) USC - 5516 4 of the 6 are in top 60, but Chicago State (#311) brings down this average 4) Penn State - 5385 2 of the 5 teams are pretty bad 5) Washington - 5351 3 of the 5 teams are in the top 100 6) Arizona State - 5172 2 of the 6 in the top 100 7) Arizona - 5018 8) Kansas - 4973 I would say that Florida, Penn State, and USC have the most impressive schedules so far and personal opinion to rank the other 5 teams. At this point of the season, average Pablo is not the best approach. The problem is twofold. First, average Pablo tells you about the rating you need to be .500. Since these are teams going undefeated, we need to up the bar. Second, that is the rating you need to be .500 only in the case of normally distributed opponents. In this case, we are probably better off using something like a 50/50 rating, to account for skew in the opponent quality. And since we are looking at undefeated teams, you might want to even up it to something like a 75/25 rating, which is the rating you would need to win 75%, or even 90/10. An advantage of this approach is that it doesn't overly penalize someone like USC for playing a team ranked below 300 compared to someone ranked 150. For a team good enough to beat BYU and UNC, what's the difference between a 150 team and 300? They both are pretty much sure wins. This is what I've done with all the undefeated teams. Here are the results. The first value is the 90/10 rating, the second is the 50/50. You can see that there are differences. For example, it wouldn't take Penn St as much to end up with a .500 record because of a couple really weak opponents. But then to be undefeated, it takes a lot more because you have to be good enough to have a good chance of beating Stanford. ***Florida 7380 5857 ***USC 7129 5597 ***Penn State 7084 5341 ***Washington 6747 5355 ***Arizona State 6732 5252 ***Michigan 6687 5354 Virginia Tech 6570 5141 ***Kansas 6518 4967 ***Arizona 6491 5023 San Francisco 6420 5075 Missouri 6393 5072 Syracuse 6279 4887 Coastal Carolina 6067 4492 Southern Miss 6024 4470 Maryland 5986 4610 Tennessee 5840 4362 Valparaiso 5719 4269 South Carolina Upstate 5668 4271 Kennesaw State 5623 4126 Maryland Eastern Shore 4964 3609 Florida is easily the best with those two really good opponents, but second is USC. Penn St's 50/50 rating is 5th among the undefeated teams, but they are 3rd in the 90/10 rating. Michigan has a really good 50/50 rating, but their 90/10 isn't as high because they don't have any really top teams on the list. Arizona also doesn't have any really strong opponents.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 9, 2015 23:26:44 GMT -5
Of the winners........hands down Washington, and their schedule that is left before conference begins is no better so they will go into PAC play undefeated with no real significant win. Possibly amusing, not really defendable. Washington's schedule thus far is not close to being the worst among the teams on the undefeated list. That's mostly going off last season, of course. Murray State won their conference last year and went to the tournament, going 26-6. They were beaten badly by UW - they left their starting libero at home, had a girl in a boot, and started a 5'9" MB (UW's MB combo, Sybeldon and Wade, hit .636 and .625). While they're 4-1, their victories are over Fresno State, Western Carolina, Georgia State, and woeful Buffalo. Washington also beat Buffalo, notable only for having Blair Brown as their coach. Someone posted that they hired her despite her lack of head coaching experience. Heck, Washington hired Keegan Cook despite the same lack of "head coach" on his resume (worked out with Heather Tarr, their softball coach, however). Buffalo had a winning record last season, at 17-15, but is 0-5 this season. Washington is playing CSUN twice this weekend (did a third opponent fall through?). The Matadors were 19-9 last year, but graduated six starters. They are 1-5 this year, with their only victory over Florida A&M, although they did take two sets from Lipscomb. The Huskies also play St. Mary's this weekend, which is 4-2 and has beaten Long Beach State, Cal State Fullerton, and Fresno State, which are at least opponents with a heartbeat, if not much more. The Gaels were the mirror-image of CSUN last year - 9-19. UW does play Oklahoma, which stepped in for Wisconsin after the Badgers backed out. The Sooners are 2-4, but did take Florida State to four and San Diego and Colorado to five. If UW is going to get a real tussle in the pre-conference, it could be on the road in Norman. The Sooners were 20-11 last season. They also play Maryland in Norman, of which the less said, perhaps the better. Okay, they're 8-0, but against a list of Back East "nobodies". Washington, of course, is also missing a couple major pieces from last season, who accounted for 50% of their offense...
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