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Post by chickenwingqueen on Oct 5, 2015 21:42:43 GMT -5
Insecure, self-absorbed a-holes rarely have success. You might suggest a review of the current literature regarding successful MANAGEMENT, as many business principles also apply to athletics. For example, referring to employees as f-ing retards rarely inspires increased productivity and production. Smart people continue to grow throughout their lives. Hopefully, this will happen in your situation. Making suggestions for change might help; what have you got to loose?
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Post by rampageripster on Oct 5, 2015 21:53:47 GMT -5
Please post your jokes as it does add a level of humor without any real deep thought but somewhat creative. I will continue to joke. Cause what you've done is come onto a mostly anonymous forum and openly complained about a coaching staff... with terrible grammar and prose. It's petty, disrespectful, and quite childish. If you have an issue with the coach, address it with the coach. All you are doing here is providing some serious entertainment.
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 5, 2015 23:11:53 GMT -5
Clap,clap,laughter ,funny. I guess for many of you Coaching is a joke. Thank you for the few who actually focused on the question. So to summarize the responses, Coaching is a big joke or it is built on trust. No ire here, just see and read about coaches on the bottom level of College sports who raise the issue of how they earned the opportunity to be a head coach. For many of you that is just a big joke. I presume that the good coaches earned their way and built a cohesive team. Bad and insecure coaches act like bullies and eventually find their way out of the sport. We have seen many poor coaches move on these last couple of years. Please post your jokes as it does add a level of humor without any real deep thought but somewhat creative. For those who really ponder over the game, I appreciate the effort. People are joking because the original question answers itself. Someone who is so nasty that they alienate everyone they have to work with, and who has had no success in the past doing so, is unlikely to find future success doing the same thing. There is no simple answer for how to correct that situation. There are books on coaching that would be better starting points than this board.
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Post by reader on Oct 5, 2015 23:31:23 GMT -5
If a team is bad then there's plenty of technical stuff that can make quick early improvements. Sometimes being a driver can even make that easier. But if a team is good then the types of changes usually necessary aren't going to come from that type of effort. You usually need trust and cooperation and all that sort of soft stuff. A-holes aren't typically good at that.
On the other hand I laughed out loud at a couple of these less earnest answers, so there's merit to those too.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 5, 2015 23:36:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I won't be a successful vb coach because I get very confused with something as basic as peppering. I mean, the alternating sequence of hitting, setting, passing/digging between the two players. I always get confused as to which player is supposed to do what. LOL!
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 6, 2015 0:16:49 GMT -5
Clap,clap,laughter ,funny. I guess for many of you Coaching is a joke. Thank you for the few who actually focused on the question. So to summarize the responses, Coaching is a big joke or it is built on trust. No ire here, just see and read about coaches on the bottom level of College sports who raise the issue of how they earned the opportunity to be a head coach. For many of you that is just a big joke. I presume that the good coaches earned their way and built a cohesive team. Bad and insecure coaches act like bullies and eventually find their way out of the sport. We have seen many poor coaches move on these last couple of years. Please post your jokes as it does add a level of humor without any real deep thought but somewhat creative. For those who really ponder over the game, I appreciate the effort. I am not a coach, nor will I ever be, but let me try to give you an idea how difficult your it is to address your post. As far as I can tell, you ask four questions that are quite different 1) Can a coach who has lost his players trust ever become effective? It comes down to whether the coach can change perspectives of his players, which means changing the coach's behavior that led to those perceptions. Imagine it's very hard to regain trust in any walk of life. Maybe others have examples, but chances those examples will be useful to you are poor, as it depends on personalities, events, situations we are not privvy to, and maybe shouldn't be. 2) Can a coach that is perceived in the manner described, and who has not had success before, ever be successful doing the same thing? No. Is there any question about that? Is this a leading question? 3) What makes a winning coach successful? Well, it helps if the players want to play for the coach! But this is obviously a complex question. You are better off reading books by famous coaches and seeing which elements of what they do seem to apply to this coach's personality. Or talking to coaches who have been successful. 4) What element is the biggest roadblock to building a successful program? I'd say talent, but you say that's assumed so...A good coach? Again, seems like a leading question. What kind of success? What kind of program? Is there ever just one roadblock? Need context here. Seems to me you are both looking for very simple answers to very complex questions, or asking questions that basically answer themselves, which suggests the questions are leading. If you want real feedback, you need to formulate your questions in a way that can be answered, with context if you can provide it. If your point is that true A-holes are bad coaches and should just go away, well, most people are with you. We don't need a thread for that. But A-holes are everywhere in life, and then sometimes, in the moment, it's hard to tell someone who is challenging you to be better for your own good from someone who really is not to be trusted.
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Post by vball54 on Oct 6, 2015 7:03:59 GMT -5
Thank you for an intelligent response. Yes, the questions do raise complex issues. However, I believe it comes down to one basic point. That point is trust. Individuals will work hard and will take criticism if they see positive growth . Why are there so many on this site that strongly believe that such a question is directed at a coaching staff? This issue could apply to about 250 teams at the D1 level. Why is the Tennessee program always raised when an issue of character is raised? Yes, the questions are leading to direct the reader to what does it take to be a successful coach. Why do we have morally bankrupt Coaches at the D1 level? Yes, I do believe they are eventually found out and they do move on. But, they eventually land somewhere else. Again, thanks for the responses.
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 6, 2015 8:03:55 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Can a coach who is perceived by the Coaches players as manipulative,dishonest,incompetent,mean spirited,distrustful ever turn around a losing program? You can assume that the coach has tried for multiple years with very little success. Can that type of coach ever become successful? Or what makes a winning coach successful. Assume the coach has talent and that is a non issue. Don't try to guess a coach, just a theoretical question. Also, what element is the most harmful element as a road block in building a successful program? First you go into great detail in venting your spleen about someone. Then you start playing coy by saying that this isn't anyone in particular. Next you berate people on here, who admittedly, have a bizarre collective sense of humor. While being serious and professional in one's chosen profession is a desirted and noble trait, having a sense of humor and not being so arrogant, self-aggrandizing, and self-important will go a long ways towards being a coach, someone that is heard and respected. You need to stop being disingenuous and take your passive aggressive pills.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 6, 2015 8:32:47 GMT -5
Sept 24, 2015 6:35:58 GMT -5 vball54 said: Just a couple of observations for the start of this season. Tech will be a dangerous team in Lubbock. They actually have probably one of the best teams that they have had in years. They have a coach the players believe in. If you don't bring your A game, you probably are not going to do very well in Lubbock. As to OU, their coach fell into the trap that many teams have done that lose. He played a 6-2 during preseason. Why? Instead of building team chemistry and confidence he built in doubt and confusion. There is a very simple difference between teams who win and lose. Under pressure does the team believe they will win or do they have doubt. There are so many coaches who over coach, play girls against one another under a theory of motivation. It does not work. Instead of building confidence and team chemistry, they build disunity and confusion. It is a simple game but there are so many coaches who make it complicated. They then wonder why the lost. They blame the girls instead of taking a hard look at themselves. You just can't flip a switch and expect girls to perform when you failed to build momentum. The best coaches but their best girls in the right positions on the court and then work hard to pick and build momentum at the right time. The best coaches build trust with their players. They build team chemistry. Bad coaches build nothing. They Tate down and fail to build up. There is a real simple point between winning and losing. What coach is the OU coach, those who know can address that issue. One thing is for sure, they have a lot of talent that is under performing. Why is that?
Think we have a winner winner chicken dinner
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Post by silversurfer on Oct 6, 2015 8:34:46 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Can a poster who is perceived by the other posters as manipulative,dishonest,incompetent,mean spirited,distrustful ever turn around their message board rep? You can assume that the poster has tried for multiple years with very little success. Can that type of poster ever become successful? Or what makes a good poster successful. Assume the poster has talent (outside of the space bar) and that is a non issue. Don't try to guess a poster, just a theoretical question. Also, what element is the most harmful element as a road block in building a successful online presence?
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Post by vbman100 on Oct 6, 2015 8:40:31 GMT -5
There is a very simple difference between teams who win and lose. Under pressure does the team believe they will win or do they have doubt. There are so many coaches who over coach, play girls against one another under a theory of motivation. It does not work. Instead of building confidence and team chemistry, they build disunity and confusion. Hey vball54, the answer to your original questions may be found in some of this post ^^^ I always wonder what Russ Rose, Anson Dorrance, Geno Auriemma and Pat Summitt did/do. And Tech at an RPI of 135 with a record of 12-5 is much further away from making the tournament than OU at 7-8 and an RPI of 54. So I guess it matters what each person's definition of success is. And anyone that has paid attention to an OU match or practice knows what type of coach they will be playing for. It is obvious. Same for Tennessee.
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Post by rampageripster on Oct 6, 2015 8:40:48 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Can a poster who is perceived by the other posters as manipulative,dishonest,incompetent,mean spirited,distrustful ever turn around their message board rep? You can assume that the poster has tried for multiple years with very little success. Can that type of poster ever become successful? Or what makes a good poster successful. Assume the poster has talent (outside of the space bar) and that is a non issue. Don't try to guess a poster, just a theoretical question. Also, what element is the most harmful element as a road block in building a successful online presence? Just asking for a friend...
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 6, 2015 8:51:56 GMT -5
I think its great that vball54 need only look at what vball54 wrote a week or so back for answers to vball54's question. What are the chances?
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Post by Babar on Oct 6, 2015 9:13:49 GMT -5
Bob Knight? Dave Bliss? One had great success and the other had some success. Knight didn't lie but he certainly was a bully. Bliss, pretty much matches your description.
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Post by vball54 on Oct 6, 2015 9:45:21 GMT -5
I am laughing so hard right now. At least the people on this page are consistent. I only wish I had a daughter playing at OU or Texas Tech. Neither program will beat Texas and I know my question has nothing to do with either of those two coaches. So those of you who think that is the case can take a deep breath and relax. Lets see how many on this site can mix apples with oranges and get completely away from the topic. Again, thanks for those who actually tried to answer the questions. Thanks for the creativity to the others. It definitely made me laugh out loud. So this site actually has a purpose. Finally, if I wanted to vent about a program that would be very easy to do. One point for sure is that bad coaches eventually get fired; just ask the TCU coach, Mississippi State Coach, ND.... Yes, I do have my own views based on experience and observation. What amazes me is the mean, morally bankrupt Coach who actually thinks he/she is a good coach and is not part of the problem. I just wanted to get others perspective. As usual, no new surprises here. To summarize again based on the posters: (1) those who have no substance but can criticize grammar; (2) Jokesters; (3) Those who raise the :I am mad at a program/agenda"; (4) bingo-those who actually try to address the question with substance; and finally (5) Those who attack the poster. You can usually follow most threads and this common theme is in play.
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