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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 6, 2015 10:11:56 GMT -5
So then it may not specifically be OU's coaches that are being questioned. I guess it must then be that you just have a habit of questioning/criticizing a plethora of coaches? As others have said, hand in your resume, take the reins, lead them to the promised land.
Or just keep making ambiguous posts that don't actually serve a purpose. We all have choices, yours is this way, my choice right now says that I am hungry and need to get a chicken sandwich. (I did laugh at the spacebar comment, that was pretty funny no matter the context)
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Post by MTC on Oct 6, 2015 10:16:53 GMT -5
A few will but many will not because players will transfer out. It happens all the time.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 6, 2015 11:29:48 GMT -5
A few will but many will not because players will transfer out. It happens all the time. While some certainly transfer due to those reasons, everyone is kidding themselves if they don't acknowledge lack of playing time is by far the #1 reason.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 6, 2015 11:32:01 GMT -5
I have a question for the board. Can a poster who is perceived by the other posters as manipulative,dishonest,incompetent,mean spirited,distrustful ever turn around their message board rep? You can assume that the poster has tried for multiple years with very little success. Can that type of poster ever become successful? Or what makes a good poster successful. Assume the poster has talent (outside of the space bar) and that is a non issue. Don't try to guess a poster, just a theoretical question. Also, what element is the most harmful element as a road block in building a successful online presence? Yahtzee!!
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Post by junior1 on Oct 6, 2015 11:38:40 GMT -5
Always like to question perception versus reality. I have seen many coaches who at times look like they are "manipulative, dishonest, incompetent, mean-spirited and/or hard to trust" to the people who watch or are fans of individuals, but oddly enough their team's grow, improve and succeed. Pat Summitt is a great example. During matches, it looked like she was tough as nails, strong and determined and not willing to accept mistakes, but behind the scenes of the event, there was a different story. Her teams were well disciplined units, but knew who had their back.
I think that I agree with many of the posters, a person who hasn't integrity or humanity will find a hard time to be successful as a coach (unless they are an amazing recruiter). So if you find someone who appears to fit that example of a "disreputable individual," and their student/athletes grow in positive ways, perhaps perception is not reality.
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Post by gigibear on Oct 6, 2015 12:16:47 GMT -5
To summarize again based on the posters: (1) those who have no substance but can criticize grammar; (2) Jokesters; (3) Those who raise the :I am mad at a program/agenda"; (4) bingo-those who actually try to address the question with substance; and finally (5) Those who attack the poster. You can usually follow most threads and this common theme is in play. [/quote]
If you knew this why are you angry that you are correct in your assessment? Post here and you basically should be ready to get a response you don't like. There are those who have earnestly tried to answer your questions and yet it still is not enough. What do you hope to gain from this? To educate us on all the nasty, bad people out there who have jobs in which perhaps they shouldn't have or are inept in? Okay, let's roll with that. I agree. So what's next? I mean I could lambast Trump's journey towards the White House. He is doing a similar job as these supposed ill-mannered D1 coaches, and yet he has successfully garnered a following. So all one can do is leave the institution (in your case) or don't vote for Trump. See, easy peasey... (and yes, I'm #5...and I'm sorry if I have offended you.)
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Post by vball54 on Oct 6, 2015 12:55:10 GMT -5
To summarize again based on the posters: (1) those who have no substance but can criticize grammar; (2) Jokesters; (3) Those who raise the :I am mad at a program/agenda"; (4) bingo-those who actually try to address the question with substance; and finally (5) Those who attack the poster. You can usually follow most threads and this common theme is in play.
If you knew this why are you angry that you are correct in your assessment? Post here and you basically should be ready to get a response you don't like. There are those who have earnestly tried to answer your questions and yet it still is not enough. What do you hope to gain from this? To educate us on all the nasty, bad people out there who have jobs in which perhaps they shouldn't have or are inept in? Okay, let's roll with that. I agree. So what's next? I mean I could lambast Trump's journey towards the White House. He is doing a similar job as these supposed ill-mannered D1 coaches, and yet he has successfully garnered a following. So all one can do is leave the institution (in your case) or don't vote for Trump. See, easy peasey... (and yes, I'm #5...and I'm sorry if I have offended you.)
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No offense taken. And from laughter how am I angry ? I have been around long enough to know that individuals come at issues from different directions. I just wanted to see what responses I would receive from the issues posed. It certainly has been entertaining. I certainly don't take this site in a very serious manner. If we would get rid of the anonymous tag then that would be a different story. I know from my own experience that good coaches coach the right way. The right way is to build trust. Trust is only built with integrity and honesty; there are no short cuts.
Great Coaches know how to collect great talent and create a system of success where all girls/boys buy into the process. Bad Coaches want control and fall back on manipulation and fail at communication. And when they fail and they do fail, they then play the blame game and blame the girls who they recruited. A vicious circle that lie and deception does bread. We know those coaches because we can see the girls leave the program and we see the lack of wins at the end of the year. Eventually the truth comes out and the results are the final facts. It definitely has been interesting to view the comments.
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Post by vbprisoner on Oct 6, 2015 13:20:33 GMT -5
We're in season and there have been some great matches!!!!! Why was an off-season thread started? ?
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 6, 2015 13:30:34 GMT -5
Only one? I count several...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:49:21 GMT -5
I do not understand why you just do not post the name of the person that you view so critically? Many posters here do that usually about Cook or Jerritt or mick but it brings out strong arguments on both sides that are usually pretty entertaining. Personally, I still like to go back and read the comments from the complete morons that felt they knew more about vball than Haley and how he would be fired like Lane Kiffin. Ironically, I am one of the people that believe Kiffin is a complete tool as a coach but have to admit he does a REALLY great job as an OC for the Tide.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Oct 6, 2015 13:59:52 GMT -5
There are a few questions here,
1) Can a coach be successful that is incompetent, my answer is no they can't regardless of the sport- unless they have competent assistants that do all the work for them. I have seen this.
2) Their are coaches out there in every sport that are mean, liars, distrustful and dishonest. The problem is you don't know how bad they really are becuz they are all nice during the recruiting process, and the team members won't tell you for fear of repercussions. Can these coaches change, I would say no. They have too much ego to think they have a problem in the first place. Again assistant coaches can temper this kind of head coach- a little. Sometimes that's their job.
3) can this kind of program/ coach be successful? Depends on what you call success. Sure they can win games, but what I've seen is the players melt down in many of " the big ones" . They don't trust each other, the coach is so negative that when you are struggling, the coach makes it worse.
4) what is the biggest road block with this kind of coach/ program ....... As players you don't often reach your potential. You lack confidence, becuz the coach doesn't help instill confidence in their players, in fact they tear it down. You may have team chemistry because you bond together against this type of coach.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 6, 2015 14:02:12 GMT -5
I do not understand why you just do not post the name of the person that you view so critically? Many posters here do that usually about Cook or Jerritt or mick but it brings out strong arguments on both sides that are usually pretty entertaining. Personally, I still like to go back and read the comments from the complete morons that felt they knew more about vball than Haley and how he would be fired like Lane Kiffin. Ironically, I am one of the people that believe Kiffin is a complete tool as a coach but have to admit he does a REALLY great job as an OC for the Tide. From the cartoonishly evil chacterization in the OP, I can only assume he was asking whether Lord Voldemort could succeed as a volleyball coach now that this Death Eater thing didn't work out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 14:28:57 GMT -5
Voldemort gets results and parents keep sending their kids there. In the end, it's their choice.
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Post by vbkid111 on Oct 6, 2015 14:39:02 GMT -5
There are a few questions here, 4) what is the biggest road block with this kind of coach/ program ....... As players you don't often reach your potential. You lack confidence, becuz the coach doesn't help instill confidence in their players, in fact they tear it down. You may have team chemistry because you bond together against this type of coach. When UNC basketball coach, Roy Williams, was asked what kind of preseason team bonding techniques/ploys/etc he uses to create unity, he answered, "None. My players have to bond to survive me."
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 6, 2015 14:47:49 GMT -5
Voldemort gets results and parents keep sending their kids there. In the end, it's their choice. People are just jealous of Voldemort's success and any complaints are the result of a conspiracy to take down his club.
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