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Post by vbfan4life on Oct 7, 2004 0:55:45 GMT -5
I think Texas can give Hawaii a very good run for its money at its true ranking whatever that may be. The Wahine are absolutely deserving of their ranking. To say they are overrated is to say that somebody else deserves to be ranked ahead of them. Who besides U Dub, USC, and Minnesota deserves to be ranked ahead of Hawai'i based on match results so far this season? a case can be made for Penn State (although they had to date played a much weaker schedule than Hawai'i) but not too many other teams. Nebraska should not be ranked ahead of Hawai'i, especially after losing at home to a team ranked at 25.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 7, 2004 2:39:40 GMT -5
I think Texas can give Hawaii a very good run for its money at its true ranking whatever that may be. Texas has played only one match against a top 25 opponent. People are basing their perceptions about the Longhorns solely on ONE match. Hawai'i otoh, is 4-0 against top 25 competition. If Hawai'i and Texas were to play tomorrow, I'd be very confident in a Wahine victory.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 7, 2004 2:45:38 GMT -5
Texas has played only one match against a top 25 opponent. People are basing their perceptions about the Longhorns solely on ONE match. Hawai'i otoh, is 4-0 against top 25 competition. If Hawai'i and Texas were to play tomorrow, I'd be very confident in a Wahine victory. OTOH: Hawaii hasn't dominated any of their top 25 opponents and the matches were all at home. Texas did dominate Florida on Florida's home court. I think it would be an interesting match and Hawaii would have their hands full if Texas can consistantly play the way they did against Florida.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 7, 2004 2:54:52 GMT -5
OTOH: Hawaii hasn't dominated any of their top 25 opponents and the matches were all at home. Texas did dominate Florida on Florida's home court. I think it would be an interesting match and Hawaii would have their hands full if Texas can consistantly play the way they did against Florida. CAL was swept. I'd say that was domination. Let me repeat my earlier comment, Hawai'i is 4-0 against top 25 competition while Texas has played only 1 top 25 team. Who else has the Longhorns played besides Florida that would warrant such touting? Loch Ness is still void of a monster. Texas would be no problem for the Wahine, just another bump to roll over.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 7, 2004 3:27:41 GMT -5
I guess I don't consider a sweep that has a game that went to a score of 34-32 a domination.
We'll learn far more about Texas from the remaining Big 12 conference matches than we will about Hawaii from the remaining WAC conference matches.
Four (Nebraska, Kansas State twice, and Texas A&M) of Texas' next five matches will be against top 25 ranked teams and the fifth match is against a Missouri team that is getting votes. By the end of the season they will have played more top 25 ranked teams than Hawaii.
Hawaii's remaining schedule include only Utah as a top 25 ranked team and Rice as an adittional team that is getting votes.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 7, 2004 3:29:40 GMT -5
Texas would be no problem for the Wahine, just another bump to roll over. A bumb like the unranked Nevada team that nearly knocked Hawaii from the ranks of the undefeated in their first road trip of the season?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 7, 2004 3:39:40 GMT -5
I guess I don't consider a sweep that has a game that went to a score of 34-32 a domination. We'll learn far more about Texas from the remaining Big 12 conference matches than we will about Hawaii from the remaining WAC conference matches. Four (Nebraska, Kansas State twice, and Texas A&M) of Texas' next five matches will be against top 25 ranked teams and the fifth match is against a Missouri team that is getting votes. By the end of the season they will have played more top 25 ranked teams than Hawaii. Hawaii's remaining schedule include only Utah as a top 25 ranked team and Rice as an adittional team that is getting votes. How many games did CAL win against Hawai'i Gorf? Yep that's right zero, zilch, nada. Doesn't matter what the score was. All that matters is that it was a S-W-E-E-PYes we will know more about Texas as the season progresses but as of now, they have only played one team ranked in the top 25. Btw, I'm not interested in the "getting votes" teams. You're either in the top 25 or you're OUT!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 7, 2004 3:42:52 GMT -5
A bumb like the unranked Nevada team that nearly knocked Hawaii from the ranks of the undefeated in their first road trip of the season? Yep, an equally inconsequential bump. Nevada was expected to challenge Hawai'i in Reno. In fact, I think the Wolfpack expected to win. Last I looked, Hawai'i still has ZERO losses. "Nearly" is not nearly as important as actual wins and losses.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 7, 2004 4:00:06 GMT -5
Texas also has zero losses BiK, yet you continue to underestimate their team.
I've been impressed that Hawaii has been able to find a way to win all of their close matches, however, they will again have little in the way of challenges on the road this year in terms of the high / quality level of the competition other than perhaps Utah. While they know if they're hoping to contend for a national championship this year at least their last four matches will be played away from the SCC.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 7, 2004 4:04:46 GMT -5
Texas also has zero losses BiK, yet you continue to underestimate their team. Well its not hard being undefeted when you play only one team ranked in the top 25 to date. I'm not as easlly impressed. I've been impressed with Hawaii As have I. They're G-R-E-A-T! ;D
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Post by Gorf on Oct 7, 2004 4:20:55 GMT -5
it ain't nice to edit someone's words when you're quoting them BiK...
fr'shame on ya!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 7, 2004 8:18:34 GMT -5
Texas has played only one match against a top 25 opponent. People are basing their perceptions about the Longhorns solely on ONE match. Hawai'i otoh, is 4-0 against top 25 competition. If Hawai'i and Texas were to play tomorrow, I'd be very confident in a Wahine victory. Pablo had Texas ranked 3rd before the Florida match.
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Post by Curious on Oct 7, 2004 8:55:11 GMT -5
Texas has played only one match against a top 25 opponent. People are basing their perceptions about the Longhorns solely on ONE match. Hawai'i otoh, is 4-0 against top 25 competition. If Hawai'i and Texas were to play tomorrow, I'd be very confident in a Wahine victory. My good man, Texas has played Florida, Kansas, and Colorado, all of which were ranked in the top 25 on the Sep 20 USA Today/CSTV poll conducted by the AVCA. The perception of Texas is hardly based on one match. That makes Texas 3-0 against top-25 competition, not that much different from Hawaii. I think Hawaii would have their hands full against Texas. There is NO WAY Texas should be ranked below Florida. I'm not necessarily saying Texas should be ranked No. 8, just that Florida is ranked too high in relation to Texas. Regards
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 7, 2004 11:13:18 GMT -5
My good man, Texas has played Florida, Kansas, and Colorado, all of which were ranked in the top 25 on the Sep 20 USA Today/CSTV poll conducted by the AVCA. The perception of Texas is hardly based on one match. That makes Texas 3-0 against top-25 competition, not that much different from Hawaii. I think Hawaii would have their hands full against Texas. There is NO WAY Texas should be ranked below Florida. I'm not necessarily saying Texas should be ranked No. 8, just that Florida is ranked too high in relation to Texas. Regards Well, then lets use the Sept 13th AVCA poll where Pepperdine and San Diego are ranked in the top 25 ..... Voila! Hawai'i is 7-0 against top 25 competition. Still far more impressive than Texas. 7-0 vs 3-0, you do the math. ;D Of course looking at a match between the two teams from an objective perspective, I'd have to say that Hawai'i would wipe the court with Texas. Remember, this is my view from a logical perspective. Regards
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 7, 2004 11:45:46 GMT -5
Well , then lets use the Sept 13th poll where Pepperdine and San Diego are ranked in the top 25 and ..... Voila! Hawai'i is 6-0 against top 25 competition. Still far more impressive than Texas' schedule to date. Of course, its not just who you play, but what you do with them. Hawaii has played a tougher schedule, but has not dominated it by any means. Texas has played overall weaker teams but has stomped them into the ground. How do you compare those two aspects? You will focus on Hawaii's tougher schedule, with the caveat, "Hey, they won." On the other side, some will focus on the fact that Hawaii played all their non-conference at home, and has played 4 and 5 game matches with a lot of unimpressive (from a top 30 perspective at least) teams, and that Texas may not have played as many good teams as Hawaii, but when they have played teams comparable to the ones Hawaii has, they have beat them a lot worse. Unfortunately, the problem people perceive about your opinion is that if the situation were reversed, you would be pounding the poundings, so to speak, and dismissing the other as "not winning impressively." Of course you are going to favor the evidence that makes Hawaii look better. Pablo treats these things without those biases, and has had some interesting results this year. Recall Pablo had Washington ahead of the LA schools going into that week, for exactly the same reasons (Wash played weaker schedules but beat them up). Pablo even had Texas ranked ahead of Florida before their match (although Florida was favored at home), suggesting that Pablo is not all that unreasonable in its weighting of these two aspects. Even I was surprised by those successes, but then I suffer from the same biases as everyone else. Personally, I would think Hawaii fans, if anyone, would have concerns about this team (and of course, many do). Compare it to teams of the past, who would dominate so many teams, especially in the SSC and on the road (quick question: when was the last time Hawaii had a WAC weekend of 9 games in two matches?) They have what, 3 3-game sweeps this year? That is not the dominant Hawaii that anyone was used to seeing in the era of Kim Willoughby. BTW, BIK, I didn't see your predictions in the pick the winners contest. I thought maybe you'd want to get involved to show how inaccurate Pablo is? I'll keep giving the Pablo results, why not get involved and show him what you can do when you add how you "feel"?
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