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Post by EagleEye on Oct 6, 2004 9:07:10 GMT -5
I have watched college volleyball since 1997. I saw a "first last night". I witnessed a coaching staff intimidate officials last night. The amazing aspect was that most of the intimidation was done by the ASSISTANT coach during the first game. That was the "first" I witnessed last night. He was up complaining to officials several times and at a time out. He even tried to intimidate a line judge. It worked. They were behind by seven in the first game and ended up winning that game and the match. After the head coach was yellow carded, there was not one net call, nor one lift call, nor one "two touch" call against their team. The only calls made against their team were when they hit the ball out, in the net, or missed their serve. This was also the first college match I have watched where both head coaches received yellow cards. These two officials were "in over their head" in this match. The conference that assigned these officials ought to be ashame.
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Post by EagleEye on Oct 6, 2004 9:20:50 GMT -5
I forgot to mention the other first that took place in this match. It occurred after the intimidation. This coach's team dug a ball that landed in the second row of the stands. The official called a replay because there were fans sitting in the first row and he thought the players would have been able to bring the ball back onto the court if the fans had NOT been sitting in those seats.
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Post by comic on Oct 6, 2004 11:36:29 GMT -5
I think you are either the coach or an uneducated fan....
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Post by EagleEye on Oct 6, 2004 12:13:20 GMT -5
you think wrong!!!
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Post by Mumsie on Oct 6, 2004 13:06:19 GMT -5
I forgot to mention the other first that took place in this match. It occurred after the intimidation. This coach's team dug a ball that landed in the second row of the stands. The official called a replay because there were fans sitting in the first row and he thought the players would have been able to bring the ball back onto the court if the fans had NOT been sitting in those seats. OK. Now, that's a weird call!
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 6, 2004 14:22:23 GMT -5
I think that the Sun Belt league can afford to have high school volleyball refs for most of the season, but this is one example where they might have to start upgrading a little.
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Post by simplycurious on Oct 6, 2004 19:04:14 GMT -5
So was IdahoBoy right about the conference in question (ie. - the Sun Belt)? If so, what match are we talking about? I don't think it would be 'wrong' to mention the match and conference, especially with the claims made. I also (potentially) have a 'vested interest' should it prove to be The Sun Belt that we're talking about here. So EagleEye, will you share these details with us?
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Post by EagleEye on Oct 7, 2004 8:20:18 GMT -5
The officials in question (I know their names but will not identify them on this board, or any board for that matter.) The patches on their shirt were NOT Sun Belt patches. The patches had a yellow or gold color to them with, what looked like, a M on it. Can anyone identify what conference patch that would be? Incidentally, one of the head coaches involved in this match stated that he had never seen these officials before this match.
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Post by comic on Oct 7, 2004 9:04:04 GMT -5
the patch was a PAVO patch, it is not a conference patch but a officials organization patch
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Post by EagleEye on Oct 7, 2004 9:20:11 GMT -5
IdahoBoy,
Your comment about the Sun Belt and high school officials shows your prejudice AGAIN against teams east of the Rockies that are not in the Big 12, Big 10, and Florida. AGAIN SHAME ON YOU!!
Why do you have such a hard time admitting that there could be some really good teams in the Sun Belt or any other conference east of the Rockies?? It is very obvious that you are a fan of the Everley Brothers!!!!!
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Post by comic on Oct 7, 2004 10:56:34 GMT -5
I forgot to mention the other first that took place in this match. It occurred after the intimidation. This coach's team dug a ball that landed in the second row of the stands. The official called a replay because there were fans sitting in the first row and he thought the players would have been able to bring the ball back onto the court if the fans had NOT been sitting in those seats. by the way.... this play did happen, although the facts are a littel distorted here. There was a camera person on the fllor by the first row of seats. The player pursuing the ball could not make an effort for the ball because the camera person was in the way. THe ball landed in the first row, and was playable, but probablywould not have been saved. This call could have gone either way. I would agree that the officiating left much to be desired. It seemed all the calls went one way for a while and then to the other. At the end of the match the referees, after having given several yellow cards, just stopped calling anything. The home team's setter was injured and the back-up could not set a clean ball at all, and this made it challenging for the referee who was already struggling. SHe mishandled almost every ball but it seemed like he felt bad and only called the really bad ones.... Oh well, the better team still won, and though the officials were bad they were bad on both sides of the net....
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 7, 2004 11:10:38 GMT -5
by the way.... this play did happen, although the facts are a littel distorted here. There was a camera person on the fllor by the first row of seats. The player pursuing the ball could not make an effort for the ball because the camera person was in the way. THe ball landed in the first row, and was playable, but probablywould not have been saved. This call could have gone either way. And we have to note here that this call will depend on the ground rules for the arena. If it is known that the media area is in play and that the media are not supposed to interfere with play, then this call could be reasonable. OTOH, if the ground rules say go into the media at your own risk, then an interference call would not be warranted.
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Post by comic on Oct 7, 2004 11:38:56 GMT -5
I do not know what the ground rules are there, but in other conferences media are not allowed on the playing surface...
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 7, 2004 11:49:26 GMT -5
IdahoBoy, Your comment about the Sun Belt and high school officials shows your prejudice AGAIN against teams east of the Rockies that are not in the Big 12, Big 10, and Florida. AGAIN SHAME ON YOU!! Why do you have such a hard time admitting that there could be some really good teams in the Sun Belt or any other conference east of the Rockies?? It is very obvious that you are a fan of the Everley Brothers!!!!! You'll have to humor Idadork on this one. For some reason, he thinks that officials and officials' organizations work the same as athletes: High school athlete < College athlete < Professional/National Team athlete Anyone who has worked as an official knows this isn't true. There are a heck of alot of outstanding volleyball officials who do not work the college game, mostly because they don't want to travel that far to call matches, and because they don't want to put up with the bullsheet of college athletics. I mean, come on, do you really think an official like Brant Lee got where he got on the officiating totem pole because he was GOOD? I don't think so...
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 7, 2004 11:50:07 GMT -5
I do not know what the ground rules are there, but in other conferences media are not allowed on the playing surface... Which is why I think it is a possible answer. Apparently they allow the media on the surface, and therefore they may have procedures for how to deal with them. Alternative, the media wasn't supposed to be there, such that they would be considered to be interferring with the play. In that case, it seems a replay is perfectly justified.
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