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Post by Word on Feb 4, 2016 11:29:49 GMT -5
I think the point some are trying to make about assistant to HC is more that Stevie wasn't the top assistant at her respective program, Salima was. So it's not often you see the second assistant get a HC job in the Pac. That's the only surprising thing to me.
That said, if anyone can do it, Stevie can. She really is an exceptional person and will have no trouble earning the respect of her team. It's tough not to be a fan of hers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 11:52:13 GMT -5
I think the point some are trying to make about assistant to HC is more that Stevie wasn't the top assistant at her respective program, Salima was. So it's not often you see the second assistant get a HC job in the Pac. That's the only surprising thing to me. That said, if anyone can do it, Stevie can. She really is an exceptional person and will have no trouble earning the respect of her team. It's tough not to be a fan of hers. Second assistant at Penn State is not your normal second assistant. Would you say it's better or worse than first assistant at say, Virginia?
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Post by Word on Feb 4, 2016 12:42:22 GMT -5
I think the point some are trying to make about assistant to HC is more that Stevie wasn't the top assistant at her respective program, Salima was. So it's not often you see the second assistant get a HC job in the Pac. That's the only surprising thing to me. That said, if anyone can do it, Stevie can. She really is an exceptional person and will have no trouble earning the respect of her team. It's tough not to be a fan of hers. Second assistant at Penn State is not your normal second assistant. Would you say it's better or worse than first assistant at say, Virginia? It's probably comparable, although has more prestige since it's Penn State. Again, I don't think its a bad hire based on knowing Stevie and her personality. But I wouldn't expect a Virginia 1st assistant to get that job either. I would think either a HC at a rising program or top assistant at a top 10-15 program. But either way, I hope Stevie kills it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:45:00 GMT -5
The new coach may do very well, but if this was a revenue producing sport this hire (no head coaching experience) never would have happened. The previous hire of Jason Watson got them a proven head coach from a very good program. In 3 years at BYU his record was 74-18 (.804) and included being in the tournament each year. Over the past two offseasons of college basketball and college football (major conference only)... St. John's BasketballMarquette BasketballSouth Florida BasketballGeorgia FootballMaryland FootballBYU FootballPitt FootballKansas Football... all hired assistant coaches to take over. And that doesn't include schools who promoted a current assistant to head coach (which there were a lot of, even when the former head coach was fired). So in short, you're wrong. Revenue-producing sports in the biggest conferences hire assistant coaches all the time. I certainly agree, the Revenue-producing sports in the biggest conferences do hire assistant coaches all the time. Those coaches were the top assistant coaches though, either top coordinator or Associate HC level. By all accounts Ms. Mussie is a great person and knows how to teach the game. The success of her program will likely depend on recruiting. Sports at all levels are littered with great people that didnt win. Time will tell, but frankly she'll be swimming upstream.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 4, 2016 13:17:57 GMT -5
I don't get this hire at all. The new coach may do very well, but if this was a revenue producing sport this hire (no head coaching experience) never would have happened. The previous hire of Jason Watson got them a proven head coach from a very good program. In 3 years at BYU his record was 74-18 (.804) and included being in the tournament each year. Revenue producing sports hire coaches with no head coaching experience everyday. Ideally you would want someone with proven success as a head coach, but look at college football and pro football, they are hiring coordinators from top programs left and right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 13:22:29 GMT -5
This also seems to be sparking a debate on the differences between first assistants and second assistants.
A) How much of a difference actually exists between the two?
2) Is it really that rare for a second assistant to get a head coaching job?
D) Which one tends to be the recruiting coordinator, and why?
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Post by bkedane on Feb 4, 2016 13:41:48 GMT -5
This also seems to be sparking a debate on the differences between first assistants and second assistants. A) How much of a difference actually exists between the two? 2) Is it really that rare for a second assistant to get a head coaching job? D) Which one tends to be the recruiting coordinator, and why? Many programs do not have a "first assistant / second assistant" structure at all. This is something I see on volleytalk far more frequently than in the profession.
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Post by Word on Feb 4, 2016 14:58:30 GMT -5
This also seems to be sparking a debate on the differences between first assistants and second assistants. A) How much of a difference actually exists between the two? 2) Is it really that rare for a second assistant to get a head coaching job? D) Which one tends to be the recruiting coordinator, and why? Many programs do not have a "first assistant / second assistant" structure at all. This is something I see on volleytalk far more frequently than in the profession. Most programs DO have a 1st and 2nd assistant coach for pay structure. Most programs do NOT promote which is which.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 4, 2016 15:43:53 GMT -5
Many programs do not have a "first assistant / second assistant" structure at all. This is something I see on volleytalk far more frequently than in the profession. Most programs DO have a 1st and 2nd assistant coach for pay structure. Most programs do NOT promote which is which. Exactly. And a look at their respective salaries usually makes the distinction very clear.
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Post by bkedane on Feb 4, 2016 16:17:47 GMT -5
Many programs do not have a "first assistant / second assistant" structure at all. This is something I see on volleytalk far more frequently than in the profession. Most programs DO have a 1st and 2nd assistant coach for pay structure. Most programs do NOT promote which is which. That's not my experience. But I only have knowledge of how a dozen or so programs are structured. Maybe the programs I know about just happen to be among the exceptions.
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Post by Word on Feb 4, 2016 16:41:43 GMT -5
Most programs DO have a 1st and 2nd assistant coach for pay structure. Most programs do NOT promote which is which. That's not my experience. But I only have knowledge of how a dozen or so programs are structured. Maybe the programs I know about just happen to be among the exceptions. www.usctrojans.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/020416aaa.htmlUSC is actually promoting who is 1st. Although I would say you don't usually see this.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Feb 4, 2016 17:40:46 GMT -5
This also seems to be sparking a debate on the differences between first assistants and second assistants. A) How much of a difference actually exists between the two? 2) Is it really that rare for a second assistant to get a head coaching job? D) Which one tends to be the recruiting coordinator, and why? A. It varies from program to program. Some have a clear line in terms of salary and responsibilities. B. Depends on the assistant and the program. c. That is a function of skill set, not who has first or second asst status or title. Lots of "first" assistants are there for their ability in the gym. Lastly great programs don't make a distinction by a label or how they are treated within staff/team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 17:41:12 GMT -5
I think the point some are trying to make about assistant to HC is more that Stevie wasn't the top assistant at her respective program, Salima was. So it's not often you see the second assistant get a HC job in the Pac. That's the only surprising thing to me. That said, if anyone can do it, Stevie can. She really is an exceptional person and will have no trouble earning the respect of her team. It's tough not to be a fan of hers. Salima isn't leaving Penn State, because she's the most likely candidate to take over for Russ Rose when he finally retires. I believe he is grooming her for the position if the school decides to take his opinion and hire her as head coach. If ASU is committed for the long-term with Mussie, then it's an excellent hire. The things she doesn't yet know about being a head coach, she can learn. There are certain aspects which are teachable and certain aspects of coaching which are innate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 17:41:54 GMT -5
That's not my experience. But I only have knowledge of how a dozen or so programs are structured. Maybe the programs I know about just happen to be among the exceptions. www.usctrojans.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/020416aaa.htmlUSC is actually promoting who is 1st. Although I would say you don't usually see this. Tim was Associate HC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 17:42:47 GMT -5
This also seems to be sparking a debate on the differences between first assistants and second assistants. A) How much of a difference actually exists between the two? 2) Is it really that rare for a second assistant to get a head coaching job? D) Which one tends to be the recruiting coordinator, and why? A. It varies from program to program. Some have a clear line in terms of salary and responsibilities. B. Depends on the assistant and the program. c. That is a function of skill set, not who has first or second asst status or title. Lots of "first" assistants are there for their ability in the gym. Lastly great programs don't make a distinction by a label or how they are treated within staff/team. Bingo
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