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Post by vbnerd on May 6, 2016 0:20:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but what does winning a world championship have to do with trying to win a gold medal?[/quote] If I'm reading this correctly the last 5 Olympic gold medalists in women's volleyball finished 2010 - 2nd 2006 - 2nd 2002 - 4th 1998 - 1st 1994 - 1st in the preceding world championship. If 4 of the last 5 gold medal winning teams were in the World Championship final, it would appear one has at least something do do with the other.
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Post by swiss on May 6, 2016 0:31:36 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised he wants the job for another quad. Another term's the only way to guarantee Hooker won't have an opportunity to dominate for USA again and win a Gold in Tokyo, because if she did that'd make the "lost" or "stolen" quad look even worse for Karch. Blocking and banning all her peak years is the smart play. I'm grateful Tom made it before Karch dynasty, I'd feel even worse if he were 10 years older and she were robbed of the Athens and Beijing quads instead. Gotta look at the positive side. Exactly, I don't understand how anyone can think that what the egomaniac is doing is right. The reality is that you the fans are the people who are getting cheated. The greatest athlete to ever play women's volleyball and one of the greatest athletes male or female will not get the opprortunity to compete against the worlds best on the big stage in her prime. She's the most amazing and entertaining volleyball players to watch. But you Karch Kiraly worshippers can continue to be entertained by how well the little 5'2 liberos can dig the ball.
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Post by volleyguy on May 6, 2016 0:34:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but what does winning a world championship have to do with trying to win a gold medal? If I'm reading this correctly the last 5 Olympic gold medalists in women's volleyball finished 2010 - 2nd 2006 - 2nd 2002 - 4th 1998 - 1st 1994 - 1st in the preceding world championship. If 4 of the last 5 gold medal winning teams were in the World Championship final, it would appear one has at least something do do with the other.[/quote] Russia won the World Championships in 2006 and 2010 and didn't medal at all in Beijing or in London. Brazil was runner-up both times and won Gold in each of the following Olympics. In 2002, USA was runner up and didn't medal in the Olympics (and neither did the winner, Italy). Cuba was the exception-- but they won everything in the 90's. There a doesn't seem to be any meaningful correlation between the two events other than that, in the previous 3 quadrennials, the reigning World Champion has never won Olympic Gold.
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Post by vbnerd on May 6, 2016 0:36:40 GMT -5
Not Geno Auriemma, He cut Candace Parker off the womens basketball olympic team, cause of attitude like Hooker. And just like Karch Kiraly, Geno Auriemma Is an egomaniac who got it wrong. Geno Auriemma has won 122 of his last 123 games at UConn. He's undefeated in 4 tournaments with Team USA including two world championships and an Olympic Gold, and I'm not sure anyone has come within 10 points of them yet. He is the best ever and if he gets anything "wrong" then wrong was actually right all along. I can see a controversy about Karch at this time, but their is no intelligent argument to criticize Auriemma. None. And it makes you sound even dummer to suggest such a thing.
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Post by swiss on May 6, 2016 0:57:32 GMT -5
And just like Karch Kiraly, Geno Auriemma Is an egomaniac who got it wrong. Geno Auriemma has won 122 of his last 123 games at UConn. He's undefeated in 4 tournaments with Team USA including two world championships and an Olympic Gold, and I'm not sure anyone has come within 10 points of them yet. He is the best ever and if he gets anything "wrong" then wrong was actually right all along. I can see a controversy about Karch at this time, but their is no intelligent argument to criticize Auriemma. None. And it makes you sound even dummer to suggest such a thing. An one of the reasons that Geno Auriemma has a gold medal is because of how well Candace Parker played. Anyone who watched the last olympics knows that. Also i guess a legend like Tina Thompson and many other current and former players from the wnba and the nba that thought it was a bad decision to leave Candace Parker off the team are also stupid. There were reporters that cover women's basketball who also had a problem with it. You can try to deflect by bringing up Geno Auriemma because you know that I'm right about Karch Kiraly. But as I said before, Geno is an egomaniac and is wrong just like the other coach.
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Post by ironhammer on May 6, 2016 1:20:51 GMT -5
And Karch "only" won the World Championship in 2014 WITHOUT Hooker. Btw, he was the first coach to led the WNT to a major volleyball championship. But apparently that counts for nothing. Because he does not think Hooker should be on the team, he is now a terrible coach. Right.....(roll eyes). I'm sorry, but what does winning a world championship have to do with trying to win a gold medal? Volleyball isn't like football where you can run hundreds of different plays. When the ball goes in the air the egomaniac has no control of anything that happens. He can't help a player serve receive or hit the ball over the net. It's all about managing egos and personalities. Winning the world championship proves Karch knows what it takes to win at the very top. You guys really think Karch is some dimwit that places his personal issues with Hooker over the interest of the WNT? I mean, do any of you know what it takes to be a WNT coach? You think a moron or a petty fool that let personal score settling get in the way can become a WNT coach? Its a heck of a lot more than just "managing egos and personalities", I can tell you that. Had Karch thought Hooker would be an asset for the team, he would have included her, simple as that.
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Post by ironhammer on May 6, 2016 1:25:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but what does winning a world championship have to do with trying to win a gold medal? If I'm reading this correctly the last 5 Olympic gold medalists in women's volleyball finished 2010 - 2nd 2006 - 2nd 2002 - 4th 1998 - 1st 1994 - 1st in the preceding world championship. If 4 of the last 5 gold medal winning teams were in the World Championship final, it would appear one has at least something do do with the other. Russia won the World Championships in 2006 and 2010 and didn't medal at all in Beijing or in London. Brazil was runner-up both times and won Gold in each of the following Olympics. In 2002, USA was runner up and didn't medal in the Olympics (and neither did the winner, Italy). Cuba was the exception-- but they won everything in the 90's. There a doesn't seem to be any meaningful correlation between the two events other than that, in the previous 3 quadrennials, the reigning World Champion has never won Olympic Gold. Its not supposed to be an exact science. This ain't statistical regression we are talking about . Winning (or getting close to winning) shows a coach has the right stuff. It does not show he will win the gold at the Olympics, but it shows he has a good track record and knows what he is talking about. I have more trust in Karch than any arm-chair poster on VT, that I can tell you for sure.
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Post by swiss on May 6, 2016 1:26:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but what does winning a world championship have to do with trying to win a gold medal? Volleyball isn't like football where you can run hundreds of different plays. When the ball goes in the air the egomaniac has no control of anything that happens. He can't help a player serve receive or hit the ball over the net. It's all about managing egos and personalities. Winning the world championship proves Karch knows what it takes to win at the very top. You guys really think Karch is some dimwit that places his personal issues with Hooker over the interest of the WNT? I mean, do any of you know what it takes to be a WNT coach? You think a moron or a petty fool that let personal score settling get in the way can become a WNT coach? Its a heck a lot more than just "managing egos and personalities", I can tell you that. Had Karch thought Hooker would be an asset for the team, he would have included her, simple as that. Karch Kiraly being the national coach because he was a great player proves that it doesn't take much to be the coach.
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Post by ironhammer on May 6, 2016 1:26:50 GMT -5
And Karch "only" won the World Championship in 2014 WITHOUT Hooker. Btw, he was the first coach to led the WNT to a major volleyball championship. But apparently that counts for nothing. Because he does not think Hooker should be on the team, he is now a terrible coach. Right.....(roll eyes). Accept it, Karch has earned his right to pick which player to be or to be on the team by his winning record. You may not agree, but he's got the credible track record to back up his decisions. And if Karch loses the Rio gold because of Hooker's absence (now that is another whole can of worms), then he will face the music. But as of now, he can pretty well choose the players he wants. If you don't like it, you can always try and run for the WNT coaching job. Well, actually he won't have to face the music if we don't win Olympic Gold, because he already has a contract extension--which was kinda the point of an outgoing CEO providing a contract extension before the Games took place. You bet he will face the music...from VT. Those few here who support Karch here will turn on him if he loses Gold. So rather than an actual debate about Karch's merit, it will all just be condemnation.
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Post by ironhammer on May 6, 2016 1:28:26 GMT -5
Winning the world championship proves Karch knows what it takes to win at the very top. You guys really think Karch is some dimwit that places his personal issues with Hooker over the interest of the WNT? I mean, do any of you know what it takes to be a WNT coach? You think a moron or a petty fool that let personal score settling get in the way can become a WNT coach? Its a heck a lot more than just "managing egos and personalities", I can tell you that. Had Karch thought Hooker would be an asset for the team, he would have included her, simple as that. Karch Kiraly being the national coach because he was a great player proves that it doesn't take much to be the coach. You gotta be kidding me right? Being a WNT coach is easy? I think you should try and become the WNT coach if you think its that easy. Look, I don't want to sound harsh, but you have no idea what being a coach is like if you think its a walk in the park.
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Post by 16thstreet on May 6, 2016 1:41:18 GMT -5
I think Karch bashers are never was people and great Monday morning quarterbacks. There has probably never been a smarter player in the history of the game. The same work ethic he used with his smarts to make himself into the best player in the world, he will use to make himself the best coach he can be, which will be one of the top 5 coaches in the game. There might not be a more competitive man alive. I feel fortunate for our country that he is our Olympic coach, no matter the Rio results. Some of the comments made by people on this board remind of the great Teddy Roosevelt quote. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
Words said over 100 years couldn't be more true today. Everyone seems to think there an expert out there. A little knowledge doesn't mean expertise. Who really has thought more about the game in our country than Karch? That guy is a volleydork to the core!!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 2:50:04 GMT -5
Well, actually he won't have to face the music if we don't win Olympic Gold, because he already has a contract extension--which was kinda the point of an outgoing CEO providing a contract extension before the Games took place. You bet he will face the music...from VT. Those few here who support Karch here will turn on him if he loses Gold. So rather than an actual debate about Karch's merit, it will all just be condemnation. And if we win Gold, they will still bash him because we could have won by more points if Destinee was on the team.
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Post by ironhammer on May 6, 2016 2:59:40 GMT -5
You bet he will face the music...from VT. Those few here who support Karch here will turn on him if he loses Gold. So rather than an actual debate about Karch's merit, it will all just be condemnation. And if we win Gold, they will still bash him because we could have won by more points if Destinee was on the team. You know what, I can certainly see that happening. Some folks here let their obsession with Hooker and disdain for Karch warp their view of the WNT as a whole.
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Post by rockhopper on May 6, 2016 6:57:45 GMT -5
Refresh my memory, did THE BEST PLAYER IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Destinee) win a national championship?
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Post by itsallrelative on May 6, 2016 7:26:22 GMT -5
I think Karch deserves another 4. ( I know, minority opinion). I had doubts at first, but I think he has shown significant growth as a coach.
I'm just kinda surprised at the timing of it....(not in response to a college offer, thought they would wait until after the Rio games, especially with the new CEO coming in).
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