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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 10, 2017 19:09:55 GMT -5
Stetson just moved their entire lineup down a flight (from their LMU game) to play Hawaii (except for their #1 flight). What do you mean? If #1 stays the same and everyone else moves down, isn't there a void at #2? #1 -> #1 #2 -> #3 #3-> #4 #4 -> #5
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Post by newbeach on Mar 10, 2017 22:29:49 GMT -5
Stetson just moved their entire lineup down a flight (from their LMU game) to play Hawaii (except for their #1 flight). What do you mean? If #1 stays the same and everyone else moves down, isn't there a void at #2? #1 -> #1 #2 -> #3 #3-> #4 #4 -> #5 Sorry! Their number 6 team played at 2.
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Post by newbeach on Mar 10, 2017 23:05:02 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see flights 1 and 2 switched around tomorrow. Since UH is playing the same teams again, it would be an opportunity to see how well Taylor and Schucht compare to Tucker/Martin against the same competition.
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 10, 2017 23:43:49 GMT -5
What do you mean? If #1 stays the same and everyone else moves down, isn't there a void at #2? #1 -> #1 #2 -> #3 #3-> #4 #4 -> #5 Sorry! Their number 6 team played at 2. That is known as sandbagging, aka CHEATING by Stetson coach Hernandez. It is expressly against the rules. Surprised Hawaii coach and refs let that p0o fly. a. For purposes of lineup changes, a dual match and a bracket pair’s tournament are different events, even if played on the same day or at the same site on simultaneous days. b. A coach may make lineup changes from one event to another as long as they stay within the one position parameter for moving players. c. An alternate that enters the lineup may only enter at position 5. Not surprised that the Stetson coach Hernandez tried it, just that it was not disputed. Weak. Bad for sport. Hope it gets reported. And fixed tomorrow.
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Post by newbeach on Mar 11, 2017 8:06:35 GMT -5
Sorry! Their number 6 team played at 2. That is known as sandbagging, aka CHEATING by Stetson coach Hernandez. It is expressly against the rules. Surprised Hawaii coach and refs let that p0o fly. a. For purposes of lineup changes, a dual match and a bracket pair’s tournament are different events, even if played on the same day or at the same site on simultaneous days. b. A coach may make lineup changes from one event to another as long as they stay within the one position parameter for moving players. c. An alternate that enters the lineup may only enter at position 5. Not surprised that the Stetson coach Hernandez tried it, just that it was not disputed. Weak. Bad for sport. Hope it gets reported. And fixed tomorrow. Hall made a lineup change in the second match with one person (Iosia's debut) for another (Ozee) at the 4 position. The 4 team was also previously 5 in the last match if that makes any difference? Iosia had not previously played in any match.
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 11, 2017 13:28:23 GMT -5
That is known as sandbagging, aka CHEATING by Stetson coach Hernandez. It is expressly against the rules. Surprised Hawaii coach and refs let that p0o fly. a. For purposes of lineup changes, a dual match and a bracket pair’s tournament are different events, even if played on the same day or at the same site on simultaneous days. b. A coach may make lineup changes from one event to another as long as they stay within the one position parameter for moving players. c. An alternate that enters the lineup may only enter at position 5. Not surprised that the Stetson coach Hernandez tried it, just that it was not disputed. Weak. Bad for sport. Hope it gets reported. And fixed tomorrow. Hall made a lineup change in the second match with one person (Iosia's debut) for another (Ozee) at the 4 position. The 4 team was also previously 5 in the last match if that makes any difference? Iosia had not previously played in any match. The 5 team can move to 4 with no problem. Technically Iosia is supposed to start in pair 5, although it could be higher if she is coming off injury/illness for debut and she belongs at higher seed. Very minor issue. However, Stetson putting #6 pair at #2 is a BIG issue. That is such a dirty tactic to try to give away #2 match and have a better chance of winning #3, #4, and #5. It is EXACTLY the situation that the rules are worded to prevent. And she needs to be called on it, cuz if this becomes normal it will delegitimize the sport.
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Post by newbeach on Mar 11, 2017 14:09:13 GMT -5
Hall made a lineup change in the second match with one person (Iosia's debut) for another (Ozee) at the 4 position. The 4 team was also previously 5 in the last match if that makes any difference? Iosia had not previously played in any match. The 5 team can move to 4 with no problem. Technically Iosia is supposed to start in pair 5, although it could be higher if she is coming off injury/illness for debut and she belongs at higher seed. Very minor issue. However, Stetson putting #6 pair at #2 is a BIG issue. That is such a dirty tactic to try to give away #2 match and have a better chance of winning #3, #4, and #5. It is EXACTLY the situation that the rules are worded to prevent. And she needs to be called on it, cuz if this becomes normal it will delegitimize the sport. Yeah, it did not seem fair especially when the girls had prepped for a different pairing only to find out shortly before that it would be a different pair. Luckily our teams still did well against them. We'll see what they do today with the lineups.
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 11, 2017 15:55:44 GMT -5
The 5 team can move to 4 with no problem. Technically Iosia is supposed to start in pair 5, although it could be higher if she is coming off injury/illness for debut and she belongs at higher seed. Very minor issue. However, Stetson putting #6 pair at #2 is a BIG issue. That is such a dirty tactic to try to give away #2 match and have a better chance of winning #3, #4, and #5. It is EXACTLY the situation that the rules are worded to prevent. And she needs to be called on it, cuz if this becomes normal it will delegitimize the sport. Yeah, it did not seem fair especially when the girls had prepped for a different pairing only to find out shortly before that it would be a different pair. Luckily our teams still did well against them. We'll see what they do today with the lineups. Please post updates of the match as I am on the road today. I left off part of the lineup rules earlier, in case it becomes an ongoing issue: Disputes. Should disagreements arise between competing coaches related to the line-up, the referee shall ensure that: i. For any such dispute to be recognized, the dispute is made clear to the referee prior to the commencement of the match. ii. The referee shall meet with both coaches, clarify the dispute, and offer the opportunity to resolve the dispute through explanation and/or adjustment to the lineup. iii. Should resolution not be reached prior to commencement of the match, the dispute shall be noted for the record by the referee so that he/she will be able to answer any questions about the meeting between the coaches; if a dispute is recorded, the head coach who believes that a rule violation is being committed shall email the details of the dispute to NCAA Beach Volleyball Liaison, Kristin Fasbender, at kfasbender@ncaa.org within 48 hours of the commencement of the match.
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Post by newbeach on Mar 11, 2017 17:50:47 GMT -5
Good to know!
UH 5 versus LMU 0
Flight 1 UH Tucker/Martin v LMU Sponcil/Slattery - S1 21-14, S2 22-20 Flight 2 UH Taylor/Schucht v LMU Estes/Whitford - S1 25-27, S2 21-12, S3 15-11 Flight 3 UH Maglio/Weaver v LMU Prichard/Kovac - S1 21-17, S2 21-13 Flight 4 UH Zalopany/Iosia v LMU Doud/Nederend - S1 13-21, S2 21-11, S3 15-9 Flight 4 UH Homayun/Kan v LMU Castellanos/Williams - S1 21-10, S2 21-11
UH is now 7-0 for the season. Play Stetson at 3 pm HT.
Stetson is playing with their lineups. Today their usual 1, 2, and 5 are the same versus LMU. But they switched their 3 pairs for 4 and their number 6 team is at 3. Maybe that pairing was injured at the start of the season and is now playing in their "usual" spot (although they started the season and this tournament at 6)? Except they were at 2 yesterday v UH and now at 3 v Stetson. It is getting a little tough to predict exactly what lineup they will have against UH next?
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 11, 2017 18:06:27 GMT -5
I wish they always publicized the scores from the 6th and, if applicable, the 7th flights, even though they're just for exhibition and player development.
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Post by newbeach on Mar 11, 2017 18:09:48 GMT -5
I wish they always publicized the scores from the 6th and, if applicable, the 7th flights, even though they're just for exhibition and player development. It would be nice! They haven't even mentioned who is playing at the 6 flight on Twitter or in the write-ups.
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Post by newbeach on Mar 11, 2017 18:15:57 GMT -5
GCU is broadcasting on Periscope again today. Right now v Long Beach State (at the UCLA East versus West Tournament) www.periscope.tv/w/1lDxLRRBeqPGmThey also have the Cal Poly matchup. Not sure if they are broadcasting on all courts like they did at home?
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Post by kalihifc on Mar 11, 2017 18:51:11 GMT -5
In the exhibition, Ozee paired with Anderson, a combination I had not expected.
Good to see: Martin stuffing the LMU hitter a handful of times in the rematch that the Bows won.
Wonder if Kan/Homayun will be moved to 4.
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Post by trollhunter on Mar 14, 2017 10:35:43 GMT -5
The 5 team can move to 4 with no problem. Technically Iosia is supposed to start in pair 5, although it could be higher if she is coming off injury/illness for debut and she belongs at higher seed. Very minor issue. However, Stetson putting #6 pair at #2 is a BIG issue. That is such a dirty tactic to try to give away #2 match and have a better chance of winning #3, #4, and #5. It is EXACTLY the situation that the rules are worded to prevent. And she needs to be called on it, cuz if this becomes normal it will delegitimize the sport. Yeah, it did not seem fair especially when the girls had prepped for a different pairing only to find out shortly before that it would be a different pair. Luckily our teams still did well against them. We'll see what they do today with the lineups. The NCAA rep to email about college beach lineups / sandbagging contact: kfasbender@ncaa.org
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Post by vbgirls2 on Mar 14, 2017 21:55:44 GMT -5
you know it is still very early in the season and some coaches may be experimenting with their line ups and pairs and not really trying to do anything illegal or unethical!
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