arwen
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Post by arwen on Apr 27, 2017 9:26:28 GMT -5
In our region, there is a new beach tour in town: The American Beach Tour. I've only read a little about it and I'm sure many of you know more about it and understand it better than I do. www.americanbeachtour.com I'd like to understand: 1. Why it was created. 2. How it will differentiate from the USAV Jr. Beach Tour. 3. What advantages it offers over USAV Jr. Beach Tour. 4. Will the point systems overlap, compete against each other or what? And if so, how should athletes determine if they should spend time playing in both systems or choose one over the other. Thanks for any info you experts can provide!  |
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Post by downtheline on Apr 27, 2017 9:48:40 GMT -5
You will see numerous leagues or event series pop up, its wide open money ball assault on the growing sport.
The points and ratings might seem important but college coaches are not counting points to determine whom to recruit, imho.
USAV points system is again an attempt to rank and position athletes but I'm not really sure you should be counting points v. seeking the highest and best competition and knowing how you match up by competing head to head against the best players.
It will take awhile for other parts of the country to have quality competition like CA based CBVA open & AAA events.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 10:30:30 GMT -5
I believe it was set up for regions where beach is rarely played or just taking root. If you are in a region where AAU and/or USAV tournaments are available, it's redundant. The championship is in Florida this year. It will not have near the level of competition that USAV has, much less the AAU national tournaments. Club owners may like it, cause it's one of those leagues where you can get much of the team a bid, and they can go as a team to the championships. They point system is separate and I'm thinking it could possibly contribute to the USAV point total in a reduced manner. The championships would likely have higher point awards than a local USAV tournament, but not near as much as a USAV championship.
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arwen
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Post by arwen on Apr 27, 2017 18:54:25 GMT -5
Thanks for this info. Enlightening! How valuable is HP experience? Is it better to have that than a bunch of 1sts or 2nds in local tournaments? I'm thinking YES.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 11:16:16 GMT -5
When I tell people we are trying out for the USAV HP program, I get these remarks like it's a waste of money and they just do it to fleece the parents. Making the A1/A2 roster is not an easy thing to do. It's fairly exclusive. I want it on there just to pad the resume, not because I believe it's some supeior training the girls cannot obtain anywhere else. And as far as points go, the HP championships gives out more points than the Tour championship. The AVT HP program is almost non-existent on most regions.
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Post by vanillathunder on Apr 28, 2017 13:32:45 GMT -5
In our region, there is a new beach tour in town: The American Beach Tour. I've only read a little about it and I'm sure many of you know more about it and understand it better than I do. www.americanbeachtour.com I'd like to understand: 1. Why it was created. 2. How it will differentiate from the USAV Jr. Beach Tour. 3. What advantages it offers over USAV Jr. Beach Tour. 4. Will the point systems overlap, compete against each other or what? And if so, how should athletes determine if they should spend time playing in both systems or choose one over the other. Thanks for any info you experts can provide! |
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Post by guest2 on Apr 28, 2017 13:40:15 GMT -5
Your kids should play in adult events if they can compete. The skills and mental toughness they learn will be much more useful than Juniors events where simply keeping the ball in and not making mistakes is almost always enough to win.
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Post by vanillathunder on Apr 28, 2017 13:50:54 GMT -5
I think I can help you with most of these questions arwen.
1. It was created because the regions that make up USA Volleyball were not having there voices heard by the national beach office. The beach office refuses to listen to what they need to make things better for their members.
2. The biggest difference between the 2 is that the ABT (American Beach Tour) is run by a committee made up of members of the participating regions. Not just one person or office making decisions based on what they need. It truly is a collective effort to better the sport at a local level.
3. One of the advantages is that the ABT gives the regions the ability to be more flexible and run events based on what they need locally. There is also a sharing of information across the regions that is unprecedented. This will translate into better run events and a quality experience for the athletes.
4. The points will over lap in one way. The ABT ranking system will accept any final results from ANY USAV sanctioned event (including the JBT) but the USAV ranking system is becoming more restrictive. They are very unclear as to what events they want to allow in there system and seems to change from day to day. I hope this helps a little bit. Take some time and go to the website. I think you'll like what they have to offer.
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Post by vanillathunder on Apr 28, 2017 13:55:25 GMT -5
Your kids should play in adult events if they can compete. The skills and mental toughness they learn will be much more useful than Juniors events where simply keeping the ball in and not making mistakes is almost always enough to win. |
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Post by vanillathunder on Apr 28, 2017 14:00:04 GMT -5
Not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I'm not sure what part of the country you are from but in our state "keeping the ball in play" isn't nearly good enough. We have juniors regularly place if not win the adult divisions (including open). So I think it really depends on your local area. I am constantly amazed at how much these juniors know at a young age.
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arwen
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Post by arwen on Apr 28, 2017 21:30:45 GMT -5
We decided to take a new strategy this season with our daughter's beach tournament schedule and be very selective about which tournaments she participates in. She has played many of the same girls/teams year after year and after experiencing HP we see the variety and individual growth that happens when you're willing to travel outside of the region to the tournaments where the best teams are. Playing at this level requires stepping up her game and she becomes a better player having participated in tournaments like that.
I'm not for or against one beach tour over another - just looking for the best competition for her to grow her game at a pace that is reasonable and works for her. At the beginning of the season the tournaments may not be as challenging but as she works through the season we hope to find more challenging tournaments.
The questions I posted were more to get at the motive for establishing a new tour. It helps to understand why these tours are established and how they are different from each other. I'll continue to keep an open mind about the different tours and approaches but will also keep my daughter's individual growth as a player the top priority.
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Post by uncommitted on Apr 28, 2017 22:48:34 GMT -5
Thanks for this info. Enlightening! How valuable is HP experience? Is it better to have that than a bunch of 1sts or 2nds in local tournaments? I'm thinking YES. Is HP great training? No. Is it great on your resume? Yes. At least it used to be great exposure because A1/a2 and the best region teams would all play in one place at one time which made it great for coaches and recruiting. This year they have totally changed it and broken it into multiple tournaments depending on level and where you tried out. Interesting experiment but I think college beach coaches probably hate it bc they are limited to like 20 recruiting days a year and now instead of getting a lot of top prospects in one place it's all scattered. |
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Post by guest2 on Apr 29, 2017 0:45:34 GMT -5
Not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I'm not sure what part of the country you are from but in our state "keeping the ball in play" isn't nearly good enough. We have juniors regularly place if not win the adult divisions (including open). So I think it really depends on your local area. I am constantly amazed at how much these juniors know at a young age. So you are saying my advice worked for those juniors? I'm a little unclear on your point. Juniors teams can have success in adult tournaments sure - I did myself back when I played before there were juniors events - but that doesn't mean most juniors events aren't less competitive than an adult event with the same ostensible skill level. |
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Post by Semp12 on Apr 29, 2017 7:55:36 GMT -5
Not sure I entirely agree with that statement. I'm not sure what part of the country you are from but in our state "keeping the ball in play" isn't nearly good enough. We have juniors regularly place if not win the adult divisions (including open). So I think it really depends on your local area. I am constantly amazed at how much these juniors know at a young age. So you are saying my advice worked for those juniors? I'm a little unclear on your point. Juniors teams can have success in adult tournaments sure - I did myself back when I played before there were juniors events - but that doesn't mean most juniors events aren't less competitive than an adult event with the same ostensible skill level. I do agree with guest2, especially when we are talking about athletes still a little young to really be heavy in the recruitment process. You don't have to travel every single weekend to get valuable playing experience if you can play adults in your backyard. Yea, still go win your bid and do some select championship level juniors tournaments, but to travel for the sake of playing "top juniors" throughout the entire summer can be silly. The "keeping the ball in play" may be a little harsh, but probably not that far from the truth either. If a team is truly elite, at least half of pool play is probably a waste of time for them, and who knows how many playoff games are even challenging in a juniors tournament. At some point you need that old veteran beat-down where every time you get caught sleeping, they one over your easy roll shot into a corner, forcing you to question how you lost to a team that cannot even jump. |
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Post by rockhopper on Apr 29, 2017 10:34:59 GMT -5
At some point you need that old veteran beat-down where every time you get caught sleeping, they one over your easy roll shot into a corner, forcing you to question how you lost to a team that cannot even jump. this made me laugh (because it's so true) |
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