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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 4, 2004 16:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 5, 2004 3:50:13 GMT -5
Now THAT is a team on the verge of another national championship! Go Rutgers.  |
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Post by BOTE on Sept 6, 2004 14:03:25 GMT -5
Don't get down on BYU. They are a very good team and will shine as the year goes on. Expect to see them in the tourney this year.
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Post by beachman on Sept 6, 2004 14:32:43 GMT -5
Well that will make Daddy Varner happy! |
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Post by FloridaPerson on Sept 6, 2004 21:41:15 GMT -5
I'd say BYU showed resiliency, or something
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Post by cougarize on Sept 7, 2004 4:28:35 GMT -5
BYU is a young, inexperienced team that is still melding alot of talent together. Expect them to get better as the season goes along. It would have been nice to see them in an incubator for the first few weekends of the season by playing at home, but that stretch will be upon them and they'll do fine.
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Post by PukaPants on Sept 7, 2004 8:33:22 GMT -5
Well that will make Daddy Varner happy! HAH! |
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Post by PukaPants on Sept 7, 2004 8:47:00 GMT -5
BYU is a young, inexperienced team that is still melding alot of talent together. Expect them to get better as the season goes along. It would have been nice to see them in an incubator for the first few weekends of the season by playing at home, but that stretch will be upon them and they'll do fine. Sounds like BYU biggest nemesis right now is their passing. In all three press releases, Karen Lamb is critical of their passing. BYU has had passing problems going waaay back to the Sunny Tonga days. Uila Crabbe was not a good passer. From what I remember from last season, Wilson was not a good passer and neither was Varner. BYU still has No. 3 UCLA on their schedule, No. 10 Colorado State (twice on conference schedule, possibly one more time in MWC conference tourney) Notre Dame, and don't forget an always pesky Utah team........ If they don't improve their passing, BYU will never crack the top 25. |
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Post by beachman on Sept 7, 2004 12:15:38 GMT -5
BYU is a young, inexperienced team that is still melding alot of talent together. Expect them to get better as the season goes along. It would have been nice to see them in an incubator for the first few weekends of the season by playing at home, but that stretch will be upon them and they'll do fine. I just rechecked their roster, and once you get past the fact that they list over 20 players, It does not go unnoticed that the overwhelming majority of the ones who play are juniors and seniors....now how do you say that this is a "young, inexperienced team"? This appears to be a team with a lot of upper class talent that has played together for at least 2 to 3 years?? I think that BYU has always had the talent, they have just been short on training, commitment, and dedication to WINNING! That's their problem, and it always has been their problem.....for some reason their men don't have this same characteristic though.....I wonder why? |
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Post by uhvb on Sept 7, 2004 12:51:09 GMT -5
BYU is a young, inexperienced team that is still melding alot of talent together. Expect them to get better as the season goes along. It would have been nice to see them in an incubator for the first few weekends of the season by playing at home, but that stretch will be upon them and they'll do fine. BYU is far from inexperienced as previous posts state. Varner, Metcalf, Wilson 3 seasons each with considerable playing time. A little inexperienced in the middle but Brown and Hartstock have a year under their belts. And Richards has a 2 bookend years with a redshirt year in the middle. There is a ton of talent on that roster but with 20+ bodies, it's going to take a month or so for the pecking order to be established. |
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Post by cougarize on Sept 7, 2004 13:13:53 GMT -5
I just rechecked their roster, and once you get past the fact that they list over 20 players, It does not go unnoticed that the overwhelming majority of the ones who play are juniors and seniors....now how do you say that this is a "young, inexperienced team"? This appears to be a team with a lot of upper class talent that has played together for at least 2 to 3 years?? I think that BYU has always had the talent, they have just been short on training, commitment, and dedication to WINNING! That's their problem, and it always has been their problem.....for some reason their men don't have this same characteristic though.....I wonder why? BYU has counted the third most win in NCAA DI history. They haven't been short on training commitment and dedication to winning. Look at the track record. One losing season in over 40 overall. Short on championships, yes, but on overall winning, no. Now you might say that NOT winning championships is what you're referring to as 'short,' but there are some other variables, including the competition played in the region/conference (which would help in tuning the team up for post season) and not getting the absolute top shelf talent. Sure the talent has always been at a high level, but you can't compare it to the West Coast schools. Some might say Elaine was an overrated coach, but just look at the record. And as far as coaches going through the system Carl McGown and current BYU men's coach Tom Peterson were at one time assistants. As far as the inexperienced part of this year's lineup goes, see below. |
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Post by ESTRELLA on Sept 7, 2004 13:14:25 GMT -5
Hey Beachman, how can you say that and quote "I think that BYU has always had the talent, they have just been short on training, commitment, and dedication to WINNING! That's their problem, and it always has been their problem....." How do you know they don't train, are not comitted or dedicated?  ? Do you have inside information??? If you do please lets us know and if you don't better stop making those type of comments. Estrella  |
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Post by beachman on Sept 7, 2004 13:29:10 GMT -5
Hey Beachman, how can you say that and quote "I think that BYU has always had the talent, they have just been short on training, commitment, and dedication to WINNING! That's their problem, and it always has been their problem....." How do you know they don't train, are not comitted or dedicated? ? Do you have inside information??? If you do please lets us know and if you don't better stop making those type of comments. Estrella Hey Estrella I let the results do the speaking.....they are loaded, every year, with FAB 50 players and they never ever seem to really go anywhere......part of that was because of the previous coach.....maybe Ms. Lamb will change all of that but I have had the opportunity to watch them many many times(like on Satellite???) and they always seem to underperform given the talent that they always have! |
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Post by cougarize on Sept 7, 2004 13:30:56 GMT -5
BYU is far from inexperienced as previous posts state. Varner, Metcalf, Wilson 3 seasons each with considerable playing time. A little inexperienced in the middle but Brown and Hartstock have a year under their belts. And Richards has a 2 bookend years with a redshirt year in the middle. There is a ton of talent on that roster but with 20+ bodies, it's going to take a month or so for the pecking order to be established. You have to know BYU to realize how inexperienced the team is. Things will be alot better next year, not to say that I'm making any excuses, but it's the truth. Lauren Richards is not a prototypical setter. She's one of the most athletic setters in the country (all-around, including arm swing, mobility, ups, etc.). What most people don't realize is in her true freshman year she came out of redshirt (missed the first 10 matches) to play on the outside. Then she redshirted two seasons ago and last year was her first as a full-time setter. Kim Wilson came out of redshirt two seasons ago and became a starter almost mid-way through the season. So to say she has three seasons with considerable playing time is untrue. April Varner. Have you seen her play? When she's on, she's great, but when she's off, holy cow. She transferred to BYU for her sophomore year and was having a decent first year at BYU before being felled by injury. Last season she started a small handful of matches, but was really the first OH sub off the bench. Plus her first year at LBSU she didn't really play. Lindsey Metcalf, for those who haven't noticed, is the team's libero this year. Yes she's 6-0, is the best blocker on the team, and one of the better OH blockers in the region. As a side note is the best high jumper in the MWC, but she's switched from OH to libero. Other than being a setter, she's played every position on the court at BYU now. You can't argue when I say she's inexperienced at her 'new' position. Hartsock is a soph, but has seen extensive playing time so she isn't a complete newbie, and this is Brown's first full season as a starter. On the rightside is Erica Lott a redshirt frosh who made her debut a few matches ago. Since Varner is so damn inconsistent, that is why true frosh Chelsea Goodman has already seen playing time and seldom used senior (juco transfer) Mandi Kiholm has already seen time there as well. That just adds to the inexperience. If you look at the first, second, third, DS/serve specialists off the bench, they're all redshirt freshmen. Goodman has fire and is a good enough hitter at this point that by the end of the season, I'm sure she will be taking chunks of playing time away from Varner/Wilson. I say inexperienced and it may not seem so on the surface, but if you dig deeper, you'll realize toghether, the girls haven't really played in anything that matters. For all of them last year's NCAA Tourney apperance was their first time to be contributers in such an environment. |
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Post by cougarize on Sept 7, 2004 13:32:27 GMT -5
Hey Estrella I let the results do the speaking.....they are loaded, every year, with FAB 50 players and they never ever seem to really go anywhere......part of that was because of the previous coach.....maybe Ms. Lamb will change all of that but I have had the opportunity to watch them many many times(like on Satellite???) and they always seem to underperform given the talent that they always have! Never really seem to go anywhere? What is the NCAA Tournament considered? |
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? Do you have inside information??? If you do please lets us know and if you don't better stop making those type of comments.