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Post by uhvb on Sept 8, 2004 13:12:37 GMT -5
The tipping of Sunny Tonga had more to do with set location than the abundance of tipping drills. BYU tried to be fast with their offense. Sunny was not very good at making adjustments when they were out of system or if the set was not perfect. It all leads back to coaching any way you slice it.
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Post by vbtown on Sept 8, 2004 13:22:11 GMT -5
that is how I slice it. tipping drills in practice.
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Post by beachman on Sept 8, 2004 15:47:08 GMT -5
I still remember when Long Beach went to BYU and played them in the very beginning of the season and lost in 5 games. That BYU Team was LOADED with talent and most of the LBS boosters in attendance walked out of Smith feeling that they had just seen a definite FF contender.....but then the wheels just seemed to fall off and Tonga was part of that.....the bigger problem, IMHO was just in the lack of intensity that BYU teams have displayed over the years, long on talent and heart, but real short on the "will to win" and in the intensity level required to be the best!
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Post by PukaPants on Sept 8, 2004 16:00:27 GMT -5
Beach, you hit it square on the head....
What I'm about to say will offend some Mormons.......but hey, I'm Mormon myself so here goes.....
What Beach said has a direct correlation to how women are viewed in the church. Do you expect young women in a church that teaches that women are subserviant to men to excel in sports? BYU can offer degrees up the wazzooos for women....but ultimately, the message from the pulpit is that women should be, first, a good wife and a close second, mothers. That is the TRUTH, that is why I feel BYU will never get a championship...sure they can talk about it until the cows come home, but it will never happen with the mentality of today......heaven forbid they push these young ladies to play at their best....they might abandon the ultimate goal of being a wife/mother and ohhh, how evil.....go play overseas or even worse.......they might become lesbians!
Okay...I'm ready to take the bullets.....hahaha......
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Post by thedaddy on Sept 9, 2004 0:53:55 GMT -5
Whatever happned to the Puikkonen Sisters, Nina and Karina?
I believe the older one was hurt and did not play her senior year? and they younger one quit the team before her senior year?
Anyone know what they are up to these days?
Was always entertaining to go to a game at the Y, you would definately be entertained by the Puikkonen Sisters Pyscho Dad that would scream all game from the stands.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 9, 2004 2:29:02 GMT -5
Whatever happned to the Puikkonen Sisters, Nina and Karina? I believe the older one was hurt and did not play her senior year? and they younger one quit the team before her senior year? Anyone know what they are up to these days? Nina is the first assistant coach at new Division 1 school: Utah Valley State.
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Post by thedaddy on Sept 9, 2004 2:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by cougarize on Sept 9, 2004 3:17:38 GMT -5
There are a few things I'd like to clarify, but for the sake of time, and considering I just got home from work and it's one in the morning and I have to be up at six to run a 15-hour event tomorrow, I'm going to wait until tomorrow to explain why I disagree with puka's pants.
As far as the easy stuff, Nina is first assistant at UVSC. Don't worry about anything coming out of their sports information office, they're in a transition right now. As far as Karina, she quit pretty bitterly after her junior year. I guess that's what happens when you're a three year starter at setter and they experiment with you at a different position in prep for a potential senior year.
I touched on heart in a previous post and what beachman says is exactly true. There have been many years where the team could've made the FF including in 2000. Not only did BYU beat LBSU which was ranked No. 2, but the day before BYU beat No. 1 Stanford. The Cougars also beat the No. 3 and No. 4 teams that year. Talent has never been an issue at BYU, it's the drive.
For all the things we can disagree on here about BYU, I think we can all agree on BYU having the lack of killer instinct. Like I said before they need a Stacy Gordon type of player, who you can feel comfortable sending into a fist fight with the other team's top OH and know she's going to handle herself just fine.
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Post by PukaPants on Sept 9, 2004 8:26:15 GMT -5
Whatever happned to the Puikkonen Sisters, Nina and Karina? I believe the older one was hurt and did not play her senior year? and they younger one quit the team before her senior year? Anyone know what they are up to these days? Was always entertaining to go to a game at the Y, you would definately be entertained by the Puikkonen Sisters Pyscho Dad that would scream all game from the stands. hahaha......their dad was hilarious...he's a good man. I heard Nina is getting married....if not already.
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Post by thedaddy on Sept 10, 2004 2:02:28 GMT -5
lemme tell ya, as far as the perception of the y vb girls being a bunch of goody too shoes molly mormons, thats the biggest bunch of bs
those girls can party like its nobodys business
believe me I have first hand experience
I've partied it up with college girls all across the nation and the y girls rank right up there at the top as some of the wildest
it is only when they get back into happy valley and everyone is watching that they turn into a introvert
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Post by donkeykong on Sept 10, 2004 8:18:12 GMT -5
diet coke and staying out past midnight doesn't count. You are funny. I am sure your first hand experience was "raging bro." Good one macdaddy.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Sept 10, 2004 12:39:27 GMT -5
PukaPants, are you sure you are member of the Church??? Just to say ".....but ultimately, the message from the pulpit is that women should be, first, a good wife and a close second, mothers. That is the TRUTH, that is why I feel BYU will never get a championship...sure they can talk about it until the cows come home, but it will never happen with the mentality of today......heaven forbid they push these young ladies to play at their best....they might abandon the ultimate goal of being a wife/mother... and ohhh, how evil.....go play overseas or even worse.......they might become lesbians!" What is wrong with having the goal to be a mother while honoring the husband? Are they told they should not excell as well??? Do you think other Religions don't say the same thing? Come on, other players from other schools also have the same goals and life and are succesful. If you are to attribute the quote "lack of succes" of the womens program (which is not true) to the things you have alluded, let me tell you.....you better go back to your Bishop and talk about were you are personally going today . There is no way that your statement is true! Have you forgotten what is told to men......and look at the succes of it program! I will take ;D the quote "lack of success" of the womens volleyball program and your reasons 1000 times above winning a National Championship. That is mu bullett - ESTRELLA
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Post by thedaddy on Sept 10, 2004 13:15:18 GMT -5
I do not claim to be any don juan but I do know that many on the campus of the y live a "double life"
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Post by donkeykong on Sept 10, 2004 13:23:39 GMT -5
Of course there are a ton that live a double life at the "Y". Who doesn't know that? But you come on here and claim to have had these "first hand experiences" with the vb girls which is wrong. Let me guess...you guys stayed out late, danced, sang karaoke and maybe attended a party where alcohol was served. Probably was really a party like no one else's business. I am positive that there are more people here that know those girls a lot better than you.
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Post by mamacoug on Sept 10, 2004 15:42:20 GMT -5
Thank you Estrella for setting PukaPants straight. That LDS women are perceived as downtrodden and oppressed is a myth. Do your research PukaPants. The LDS church has always encouraged education and self-reliance - and I don't mean eduacating women about food-storage . However, I do agree that the BYU girls need consistency in their performance. I don't think the lack of killer instinct is a result of being LDS. They all had to come from someplace else, and had to have been fairly successful in club vb, which, I assume was not an all-LDS team. The transition from club to college is one of the things that the coach needs address with new freshmen. I think that there has to be something else there. Cogarize, do you ever speak to any of the players directly? Maybe they have some insight as to the lack of consistancy in their play.
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