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Post by acemand23 on Aug 30, 2017 10:15:40 GMT -5
ALSO,
If you look at Phil as a reference point... he made 23k from playing AVP last year 94 events).. at 28k this year(5 events)... (we do know now that appearance fees are the only reason the top would even want to play)
FIVB 2016 13 events, earning 120K, 2017 7 events, earning 100k... so, money is there for the winners
Not sure how anyone thinks AVP could pick up if FIVB went down.....
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 30, 2017 10:16:50 GMT -5
Sure, if both players have the right visas. I heard that the AVP has not profited a single year under Donald Sun so far. He has been keeping them in the black with his own money. Even with sell out tickets, the event is still too costly. If FIVB goes under, I think we will have a major loss in the sport... Nah, I don't think so. To me, there should be 4 FIVB events a year. The "Majors". Rio The Hauge One in the USA Maybe on in Asia or Australia or another in Europe. Qualify for these through the Confederations(NORCECA, CEV) Outside of these, let the players play on whatever tour they want. (you can have restrictions like indoor does for non citizens)
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 30, 2017 10:18:23 GMT -5
ALSO, If you look at Phil as a reference point... he made 23k from playing AVP last year 94 events).. at 28k this year(5 events)... (we do know now that appearance fees are the only reason the top would even want to play) FIVB 2016 13 events, earning 120K, 2017 7 events, earning 100k... so, money is there for the winners Not sure how anyone thinks AVP could pick up if FIVB went down..... Ok, let's say FIVB goes down. the AVP gets the Brazilian players, what comes with that?? TV deal in Brazil, Brazilian sponsors, etc. Same with Europe and other areas. Red Bull money from FIVB could go other places.
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Post by ajm on Aug 30, 2017 10:40:54 GMT -5
ALSO, If you look at Phil as a reference point... he made 23k from playing AVP last year 94 events).. at 28k this year(5 events)... (we do know now that appearance fees are the only reason the top would even want to play) FIVB 2016 13 events, earning 120K, 2017 7 events, earning 100k... so, money is there for the winners Not sure how anyone thinks AVP could pick up if FIVB went down..... Ok, let's say FIVB goes down. the AVP gets the Brazilian players, what comes with that?? TV deal in Brazil, Brazilian sponsors, etc. Same with Europe and other areas. Red Bull money from FIVB could go other places. Doesn't Brazil have its own domestic tour? I believe it's during our offseason, but anyone know how many events, prize money, etc?
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Post by donnyb on Aug 30, 2017 10:45:17 GMT -5
What if avp didn't pay appearance fee's just paid more money out? That might draw more players and maybe fans when they see the big payouts etc.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 30, 2017 10:45:18 GMT -5
ALSO, If you look at Phil as a reference point... he made 23k from playing AVP last year 94 events).. at 28k this year(5 events)... (we do know now that appearance fees are the only reason the top would even want to play) FIVB 2016 13 events, earning 120K, 2017 7 events, earning 100k... so, money is there for the winners Not sure how anyone thinks AVP could pick up if FIVB went down..... Money is there for the best team in the world if you do well in at least one of the huge money events. Phil, led the FIVB in prize money and he made 14,400 per event. If he had lost to Canada, a team that had a bunch of match points, in the last event, his per event average would have dropped to $8,700 per event. Excluding the Nick forfeit and Adam Roberts, his AVP per event average is: $8,666 (and it will be 10,000 if he wins this weekend) More numbers for you. Stafford made $4,200 per event. Casey made $3,277 on the FIVB this year. Rosie, who did not win, made 4,933 per event, Hyden -the second best US team - made $4,750 per event on the FIVB The fact of the matter is that for the better US players, if they do well, the AVP probably pays more (not counting travel etc.)
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 30, 2017 10:48:28 GMT -5
Ok, let's say FIVB goes down. the AVP gets the Brazilian players, what comes with that?? TV deal in Brazil, Brazilian sponsors, etc. Same with Europe and other areas. Red Bull money from FIVB could go other places. Doesn't Brazil have its own domestic tour? I believe it's during our offseason, but anyone know how many events, prize money, etc? Yeah, I was just giving an example.
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Post by iowasurfer on Aug 30, 2017 10:56:54 GMT -5
Doesn't Brazil have its own domestic tour? I believe it's during our offseason, but anyone know how many events, prize money, etc? Yeah, I was just giving an example. Donald makes many good calls.BUT USA PROMOTERS MUST ATTEMPT TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER.WOULD NOT BE EASY OR LIKELY HUH?
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Post by acemand23 on Aug 30, 2017 10:59:04 GMT -5
Doesn't Brazil have its own domestic tour? I believe it's during our offseason, but anyone know how many events, prize money, etc? Yeah, I was just giving an example. You are showing money per event, but FIVB has 20 events... So, you are thinking, that the AVP will get all the money that the FIVB has gathered if the FIVB goes down? The only way that happens is if the AVP goes international.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 30, 2017 11:14:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I was just giving an example. You are showing money per event, but FIVB has 20 events... So, you are thinking, that the AVP will get all the money that the FIVB has gathered if the FIVB goes down? The only way that happens is if the AVP goes international. I think you were referring to me. But how does whether to show up at any individual event depend on the total number of events? You said the only thing that makes going to an AVP worth it is the appearance fee. If you make 4500 for an AVP, why is that worth less than 4200 for an FIVB? Also the FIVB does not have 20 events they basically had 10 or fewer if you don't count 1 or 2 stars (and if you count those you may as well count AVP Next)
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 30, 2017 11:14:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I was just giving an example. You are showing money per event, but FIVB has 20 events... So, you are thinking, that the AVP will get all the money that the FIVB has gathered if the FIVB goes down? The only way that happens is if the AVP goes international. There were (5) 4* & 5* tournaments, those play more than the AVP. Those are the ones that need to be replaced by the AVP. Not all the money from FIVB would go to the AVP. It would allow maybe USAV to be more supportive of the domestic events. They spend a bunch sending non athlete personal to events. It isn't going to be easy, but there would be a window.
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Post by goudey on Aug 30, 2017 14:53:15 GMT -5
Kerri Walsh was right.
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Post by haze on Aug 30, 2017 16:50:16 GMT -5
I can't find anything at all on how the Brazilian domestic tour is structured. Can't even find the name of the tour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 20:47:23 GMT -5
ALSO, If you look at Phil as a reference point... he made 23k from playing AVP last year 94 events).. at 28k this year(5 events)... (we do know now that appearance fees are the only reason the top would even want to play) FIVB 2016 13 events, earning 120K, 2017 7 events, earning 100k... so, money is there for the winners Not sure how anyone thinks AVP could pick up if FIVB went down..... Ok, let's say FIVB goes down. the AVP gets the Brazilian players, what comes with that?? TV deal in Brazil, Brazilian sponsors, etc. Same with Europe and other areas. Red Bull money from FIVB could go other places. And what makes you think the brazilians would come play the AVP? Don`t they have their or "Tour" "Circuit" in Brazil??
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