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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 14, 2017 7:39:01 GMT -5
I've come around on Priddy a lot since the season started.
Hyden has been competitive this year at 44, Priddy seems to be in great shape, in 3 years he'd play in the Olympics at 42.
If the rest of his game comes around, he will be able to side out better than a lot of the other defenders.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 14, 2017 11:57:52 GMT -5
I've come around on Priddy a lot since the season started. Hyden has been competitive this year at 44, Priddy seems to be in great shape, in 3 years he'd play in the Olympics at 42. If the rest of his game comes around, he will be able to side out better than a lot of the other defenders. Hyden was excellent all year, but he also caught some breaks and it was a very short season. Plus John didn't improve post-40, he just stayed the same and got a little worse. In order for Reid to qualify, much less be competitive, he would have to improve substantially, which no one his age has ever done. He also can't lose a step physically which every player ever has done from 39-42, and we are talking about very few players anyway. Reid plays a much more dynamic style than Hyden. John is more of a late career Mike Dodd type player. I'm sure it has happened but I can't think of the last time John relied on a great jump or hitting the ball super hard. Reid depends on both those things.
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Post by haze on Sept 14, 2017 12:08:52 GMT -5
I'd say a player the caliber of Priddy is an extremely rare situation. He has all the ability needed, e just needs to continue to fine tune his game. He's also coming into the US when there is a huge question mark of the next great elite players. I'd say next to Lucena who's a mainstay as long as Phil's around, the only other exception of a World Class defender the US have is TayCrabb. There really isn't anyone else, I know people are excited about Zaun but he is a ways off if he even ever gets there.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 14, 2017 12:51:40 GMT -5
I've come around on Priddy a lot since the season started. Hyden has been competitive this year at 44, Priddy seems to be in great shape, in 3 years he'd play in the Olympics at 42. If the rest of his game comes around, he will be able to side out better than a lot of the other defenders. Hyden was excellent all year, but he also caught some breaks and it was a very short season. Plus John didn't improve post-40, he just stayed the same and got a little worse. In order for Reid to qualify, much less be competitive, he would have to improve substantially, which no one his age has ever done. He also can't lose a step physically which every player ever has done from 39-42, and we are talking about very few players anyway. Reid plays a much more dynamic style than Hyden. John is more of a late career Mike Dodd type player. I'm sure it has happened but I can't think of the last time John relied on a great jump or hitting the ball super hard. Reid depends on both those things. I'd say Reid's improvement won't come from the physical aspect, but more the mental/Knowledge area. I think after 2018 Reid will be a better setter than Hyden is, already has a weapon is his serve. For fun, let's take Phil. what does Phil need in a partner?? 1. to sideout all day long . . . 2. make the basic dig 3. not miss a serve How far off is Reid from Nick in siding out?? could he be much better at that, that it allows him to not be as good as nick in all other areas?
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Post by guest2 on Sept 15, 2017 10:43:58 GMT -5
I'd say a player the caliber of Priddy is an extremely rare situation. He has all the ability needed, e just needs to continue to fine tune his game. He's also coming into the US when there is a huge question mark of the next great elite players. I'd say next to Lucena who's a mainstay as long as Phil's around, the only other exception of a World Class defender the US have is TayCrabb. There really isn't anyone else, I know people are excited about Zaun but he is a ways off if he even ever gets there. In what sense? There have been players with Reid's talent pretty consistently throughout history and a lot with more. Reid has had a great career but physically he isn't exactly Joel Despaigne Zaun is roughly as good as Reid right now
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Post by haze on Sept 15, 2017 13:00:35 GMT -5
Physically because of his age? You aren't going to find a more dynamic and physical attacker than Priddy, especially in comparison of US players that play defense. He basically learned to shoot in a matter of 2 months, starting from not even being able to shoot, to shooting ugly, to now it's actually pretty formidable. Even at his age his ability to run down balls defensively is right up there with any other US player, the dude is quick as hell. He can also play the hard driven ball as well. The biggest thing with Priddy is he is still trying to read the game, and that will continue to get better although he will always be capped with that because of his age. His serve? Probably better than any US player next to Phil and Rosie.
I really disagree with the last statement, I do think Priddy is better with Zaun. I also think he has a much bigger ceiling when you look into the next couple years, although I think Zaun obviously is better over time. People are high on Zaun and they should be, he is a really dynamic young player. He's also a bit overrated IMO, and I think his success this year is more due to the re-emergence of Ratledge than Zaun carrying him. Zaun has 1 attack. It's an incredibly lethal crosscourt that alot of our current US blockers cannot seem to block. Is that going to work against the 6'7"+ world class giants on the FIVB who figure that out and play that? Zaun's ability to make defensive plays is nowhere near International play right now. IMO he's a below average defender on the AVP.
I think Zaun has plenty of time in his career to round his game out nicely, but I don't see that happening by 2020, which is why I think Priddy has just as good of a chance as anyone not named Lucena and TayCrabb over the next Olymic cycle.
I don't eve think it matters. If Phil sticks around and if we can get another US blocker to separate themselves I think TayCrabb/blocker and Lucena/Phil will represent 2020 and the above discussion is irrelevant.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 16, 2017 10:28:10 GMT -5
Physically because of his age? You aren't going to find a more dynamic and physical attacker than Priddy, especially in comparison of US players that play defense. He basically learned to shoot in a matter of 2 months, starting from not even being able to shoot, to shooting ugly, to now it's actually pretty formidable. This is a really common narrative here and I am not sure where it came from. Reid played the equivalent of three full years on the AVP before this year, and it isnt as if he just swung blindly all that time. Plus he has been prepping for this season since February at least. he didnt just learn to shootEven at his age his ability to run down balls defensively is right up there with any other US player, the dude is quick as hell. He can also play the hard driven ball as well. The biggest thing with Priddy is he is still trying to read the game, and that will continue to get better although he will always be capped with that because of his age. As fast to the ball as Nick or Taylor? That just isnt true. You can attribute that to reading if you please, but both those guys are quicker to the ball than Reid and that looks a lot to me like movementHis serve? Probably better than any US player next to Phil and Rosie. I really disagree with the last statement, I do think Priddy is better with Zaun. I also think he has a much bigger ceiling when you look into the next couple years, although I think Zaun obviously is better over time. People are high on Zaun and they should be, he is a really dynamic young player. He's also a bit overrated IMO, and I think his success this year is more due to the re-emergence of Ratledge than Zaun carrying him. Zaun has 1 attack. It's an incredibly lethal crosscourt that alot of our current US blockers cannot seem to block. Is that going to work against the 6'7"+ world class giants on the FIVB who figure that out and play that? Zaun's ability to make defensive plays is nowhere near International play right now. IMO he's a below average defender on the AVP. Here is where I think your analysis goes way off track. Reid is a world class hitter, server and a very good defender according to you. Zaun is a poor defender, has limited offense and his serve isnt as good. To me that sounds like a big gap. But their results this year were essentially identical. Identical and Reid played with better partners. Plus the single area where US players measure up to their international counterparts is in blocking. Phil, Theo, and Ryan are as good a trio as almost any three international blockers + Gibb, Ricardo, and Slick is 6'8. Overall international blockers are better sure but not by that much. I think Zaun has plenty of time in his career to round his game out nicely, but I don't see that happening by 2020, which is why I think Priddy has just as good of a chance as anyone not named Lucena and TayCrabb over the next Olymic cycle. Why would it take Eric four years to develop?I don't eve think it matters. If Phil sticks around and if we can get another US blocker to separate themselves I think TayCrabb/blocker and Lucena/Phil will represent 2020 and the above discussion is irrelevant. The Zaun stuff is confusing to me because it seems so apparent. The less experience a guy has and the younger he is, the more potential he has for improvement. This is the definition of the old riddle, do you want to coach a guy who runs a 40 in 4.5 with perfect form or one who runs a 4.5 with lousy form. Based on results, these two are roughly the same Priddy has massively more experience than Eric 35 events to 8 Priddy is 39 and Eric is 24 How that formula ends up with Reid improving more is beyond me. I can think of maybe 30 players in a similar situation to Eric who grew into top AVP guys. There has never been anyone in Reid's situation who did.
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Post by haze on Sept 16, 2017 11:32:29 GMT -5
This is a really common narrative here and I am not sure where it came from. Reid played the equivalent of three full years on the AVP before this year, and it isnt as if he just swung blindly all that time. Plus he has been prepping for this season since February at least. he didnt just learn to shoot
I'm not sure if you are insinuating that indoor requires the same type of training and skillset or if you think the skills are transferable but they simply aren't. You can watch a beach approach of about 4 or so steps vs an indoor approach which is almost double that and see the difference of what's happening even before the attack.
As fast to the ball as Nick or Taylor? That just isnt true. You can attribute that to reading if you please, but both those guys are quicker to the ball than Reid and that looks a lot to me like movement
Lucena is exactly 2 years younger, he plays the game with his ability to read and yes he can move. Priddy simply reacts to the ball at this point. He hasn't really figured out how to read. Maybe he doesn't. Doesn't mean he can't learn.
Here is where I think your analysis goes way off track. Reid is a world class hitter, server and a very good defender according to you. Zaun is a poor defender, has limited offense and his serve isnt as good. To me that sounds like a big gap. But their results this year were essentially identical. Identical and Reid played with better partners. Plus the single area where US players measure up to their international counterparts is in blocking. Phil, Theo, and Ryan are as good a trio as almost any three international blockers + Gibb, Ricardo, and Slick is 6'8. Overall international blockers are better sure but not by that much.
We just differ on opinions, he's very much a World Class volleyball player. The guy has a gold medal and has been to how many Olympics? If you're saying they are transferable like above, it shouldn't matter. If they aren't transferable, than regardless of his age, he has to a degree a window of growth to adjust to the Beach game, especially considering he has been trainig full time for beach for not even a year. Maybe it's significant, maybe it isn't. Some people think it's significant. Ricardo choose to play with him over another International player in Chalk.
Why would it take Eric four years to develop?
Because people just don't figure out Beach Volleyball in a couple years. It's why US's best players are usually in their mid 30's when they are playing their best. Sure, Zaun can be an exception, but I ain't betting on it. If someone wants to, there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong to have an opinion either way.
The Zaun stuff is confusing to me because it seems so apparent. The less experience a guy has and the younger he is, the more potential he has for improvement. This is the definition of the old riddle, do you want to coach a guy who runs a 40 in 4.5 with perfect form or one who runs a 4.5 with lousy form.
Based on results, these two are roughly the same
Priddy has massively more experience than Eric 35 events to 8 Priddy is 39 and Eric is 24
How that formula ends up with Reid improving more is beyond me. I can think of maybe 30 players in a similar situation to Eric who grew into top AVP guys.
There has never been anyone in Reid's situation who did. [/i]
Because Priddy has been training for Beach Volleyball full time for a year, Zaun has been training full time for 3-4 years as a 'professional'. Zaun was much improved this year alone because of who he's playing. It's similar to why someone may have an opinion of Priddy, who's a world class volleyball player, may have a big window of growth in the beach game for a year or 2 while he continues to focus only on that.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 16, 2017 12:56:48 GMT -5
This is a really common narrative here and I am not sure where it came from. Reid played the equivalent of three full years on the AVP before this year, and it isnt as if he just swung blindly all that time. Plus he has been prepping for this season since February at least. he didnt just learn to shootI'm not sure if you are insinuating that indoor requires the same type of training and skillset or if you think the skills are transferable but they simply aren't. You can watch a beach approach of about 4 or so steps vs an indoor approach which is almost double that and see the difference of what's happening even before the attack. Here I was referring to Reid's previous AVP experience, 27 events. He is not a beach neophyte in any way shape or formAs fast to the ball as Nick or Taylor? That just isnt true. You can attribute that to reading if you please, but both those guys are quicker to the ball than Reid and that looks a lot to me like movementLucena is exactly 2 years younger, he plays the game with his ability to read and yes he can move. Priddy simply reacts to the ball at this point. He hasn't really figured out how to read. Maybe he doesn't. Doesn't mean he can't learn. This is possible, its either reaction time or reading poorly, or a mix.Here is where I think your analysis goes way off track. Reid is a world class hitter, server and a very good defender according to you. Zaun is a poor defender, has limited offense and his serve isnt as good. To me that sounds like a big gap. But their results this year were essentially identical. Identical and Reid played with better partners. Plus the single area where US players measure up to their international counterparts is in blocking. Phil, Theo, and Ryan are as good a trio as almost any three international blockers + Gibb, Ricardo, and Slick is 6'8. Overall international blockers are better sure but not by that much. We just differ on opinions, he's very much a World Class volleyball player. The guy has a gold medal and has been to how many Olympics? If you're saying they are transferable like above, it shouldn't matter. If they aren't transferable, than regardless of his age, he has to a degree a window of growth to adjust to the Beach game, especially considering he has been trainig full time for beach for not even a year. Maybe it's significant, maybe it isn't. Some people think it's significant. Ricardo choose to play with him over another International player in Chalk. I think here we definitely differ in opinion. Reid is a world class indoor player, just like Aaron RussellWhy would it take Eric four years to develop?Because people just don't figure out Beach Volleyball in a couple years. It's why US's best players are usually in their mid 30's when they are playing their best. Sure, Zaun can be an exception, but I ain't betting on it. If someone wants to, there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong to have an opinion either way. The best beach players almost never are at their best in their mid 30s. There have been a few special cases in the US, especially now, but historically and currently on the FIVB, if you aren't winning in your 20s, you never are:
Sinjin Stokie Karch Kent Dodd Hov Jose Emmanuel Ricardo Bruno Allison Rogers Lambert Phil Rosie Currently The Dutch Brazil The Italians
All were winning in their 20s, most of them in their early 20s The Zaun stuff is confusing to me because it seems so apparent. The less experience a guy has and the younger he is, the more potential he has for improvement. This is the definition of the old riddle, do you want to coach a guy who runs a 40 in 4.5 with perfect form or one who runs a 4.5 with lousy form.
Based on results, these two are roughly the same
Priddy has massively more experience than Eric 35 events to 8 Priddy is 39 and Eric is 24
How that formula ends up with Reid improving more is beyond me. I can think of maybe 30 players in a similar situation to Eric who grew into top AVP guys.
There has never been anyone in Reid's situation who did. [/i] Because Priddy has been training for Beach Volleyball full time for a year, Zaun has been training full time for 3-4 years as a 'professional'. Zaun was much improved this year alone because of who he's playing. It's similar to why someone may have an opinion of Priddy, who's a world class volleyball player, may have a big window of growth in the beach game for a year or 2 while he continues to focus only on that. [/quote] Zaun only moved to California this year unless Im mistaken. He has been playing semi pro for a while but training full time seems like an exaggeration. Either way hopefully they both get a lot better because the US really needs good defenders
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 16, 2017 13:20:16 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the subject at hand: Reid/Ricardo went 0-2 and exited the tournament early.
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Post by 405LAX on Sept 17, 2017 11:38:35 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the subject at hand: Reid/Ricardo went 0-2 and exited the tournament early. Ouchy.
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Post by guest2 on Sept 17, 2017 14:28:38 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the subject at hand: Reid/Ricardo went 0-2 and exited the tournament early. Ouchy. Maybe not as bad as it looks. If they had to qualify probably took on a top team first.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Sept 17, 2017 14:45:35 GMT -5
Maybe not as bad as it looks. If they had to qualify probably took on a top team first. They were the 12 seed in the qualifier. Lost their first MD match in 3 to Alvaro Filho/Saymon, the #1 seed. Lost in the contenders bracket in 3 to the #13 seed.
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Post by 405LAX on Sept 17, 2017 20:37:50 GMT -5
Both 3-setters makes it more palatable though I can't stop thinking that as explosive Reid is, he's equally mechanical when playing, not a super-duper-fluid athlete like say Rosie or yes, Zaun.
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Post by Semp12 on Sept 18, 2017 10:39:57 GMT -5
Physically because of his age? You aren't going to find a more dynamic and physical attacker than Priddy, especially in comparison of US players that play defense. He basically learned to shoot in a matter of 2 months, starting from not even being able to shoot, to shooting ugly, to now it's actually pretty formidable. This is a really common narrative here and I am not sure where it came from. Reid played the equivalent of three full years on the AVP before this year, and it isnt as if he just swung blindly all that time. Plus he has been prepping for this season since February at least. he didnt just learn to shootEven at his age his ability to run down balls defensively is right up there with any other US player, the dude is quick as hell. He can also play the hard driven ball as well. The biggest thing with Priddy is he is still trying to read the game, and that will continue to get better although he will always be capped with that because of his age. As fast to the ball as Nick or Taylor? That just isnt true. You can attribute that to reading if you please, but both those guys are quicker to the ball than Reid and that looks a lot to me like movementHis serve? Probably better than any US player next to Phil and Rosie. I really disagree with the last statement, I do think Priddy is better with Zaun. I also think he has a much bigger ceiling when you look into the next couple years, although I think Zaun obviously is better over time. People are high on Zaun and they should be, he is a really dynamic young player. He's also a bit overrated IMO, and I think his success this year is more due to the re-emergence of Ratledge than Zaun carrying him. Zaun has 1 attack. It's an incredibly lethal crosscourt that alot of our current US blockers cannot seem to block. Is that going to work against the 6'7"+ world class giants on the FIVB who figure that out and play that? Zaun's ability to make defensive plays is nowhere near International play right now. IMO he's a below average defender on the AVP. Here is where I think your analysis goes way off track. Reid is a world class hitter, server and a very good defender according to you. Zaun is a poor defender, has limited offense and his serve isnt as good. To me that sounds like a big gap. But their results this year were essentially identical. Identical and Reid played with better partners. Plus the single area where US players measure up to their international counterparts is in blocking. Phil, Theo, and Ryan are as good a trio as almost any three international blockers + Gibb, Ricardo, and Slick is 6'8. Overall international blockers are better sure but not by that much. I think Zaun has plenty of time in his career to round his game out nicely, but I don't see that happening by 2020, which is why I think Priddy has just as good of a chance as anyone not named Lucena and TayCrabb over the next Olymic cycle. Why would it take Eric four years to develop?I don't eve think it matters. If Phil sticks around and if we can get another US blocker to separate themselves I think TayCrabb/blocker and Lucena/Phil will represent 2020 and the above discussion is irrelevant. The Zaun stuff is confusing to me because it seems so apparent. The less experience a guy has and the younger he is, the more potential he has for improvement. This is the definition of the old riddle, do you want to coach a guy who runs a 40 in 4.5 with perfect form or one who runs a 4.5 with lousy form. Based on results, these two are roughly the same Priddy has massively more experience than Eric 35 events to 8 Priddy is 39 and Eric is 24 How that formula ends up with Reid improving more is beyond me. I can think of maybe 30 players in a similar situation to Eric who grew into top AVP guys. There has never been anyone in Reid's situation who did. There has never been someone in Reid's situation who took on this challenge to this degree in my opinion, so no way to really know what to expect.
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