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Post by gigibear on Jan 16, 2018 2:58:11 GMT -5
Nobody transfers out of Stanford. ...and Haley Hodson is now doing what exactly...?
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Post by gigibear on Jan 16, 2018 3:10:14 GMT -5
Meika Wagner is the only former player on there that openly said something. (And she wasnt even coached by Mick at USC but had an experience on the national team many moons ago). I worked with USC back in the Jupiter days - and almost everyone liked Mick alot back then (and I was the type of person you could confess anything too). When the indoor players crossed over for beach, they had a tough time with Anna, not Mick. Were the transfers his fault? What "key" player left besides Ebony? And Ebony's situation was more of injury/homesick laden. A lot of Wisconsin fans on here were critical of Gillis, who simply wasn't getting it done as a USC OH. Sary's issues were not with Mick. Schmidt wasn't looking to be that much of a stud. If LeGrand transfers - would that be Mick's fault? As someone who attended USC - this is freaking Los Angeles. A lot more is going on in these college girls brains than Mick Haley. There's a plethora of reasons why someone might not be a particular fit at USC. I've seen girls transfer schools because of a boy that they didn't even last with. fair points.... My issue with USC and Mick Haley is just a general desire for a changing of the guard in the Pac. We need new blood, a renewed energy and focus to keep our top players here, get in on the midwest/Texas action, and train and compete to win. Regardless of whose fault it was, and it does take a village, USC as a program just wasn't cutting it given the resources, history, and overall recruiting. I'm supportive of the administration wanting a new era of SC volleyball, even if process to get that is somewhat dubious. I agree with you for the most part, but there is a dignified way to handle this....to 'resign' your head coach of many seasons, and who coached the national team...what does that say about the faith in your coach from early on. I'm not saying Haley refused to go down without a punch....exactly what you want from a winning coach....but this could have been handled so much differently, though we won't know as it was behind closed doors. A phenomenal program reduced to back-biting.
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Post by gigibear on Jan 16, 2018 3:19:31 GMT -5
So do you know for a fact that Mick was fired because of falling below expectations? Or is that just your own opinion? As for the adversarial relationship, why are you implying that must be Mick's fault? Denials notwithstanding, seems like you got an axe to grind with Mick. My impression, and it is just an impression (I have no inside information whatsoever), is that the decision had nothing to do with performance expectations or his coaching bona fides, but much more likely with human relations with, and behavior relative to, both his superiors and players. He was an "old school" coach in a "new school" era, if you will, out of step with both those trying to manage him and those he was charged with managing. He might also have resented and rebelled at taking direction from a younger and female boss. I suspect that this was long brewing, with all but the timing decided well before last spring. Not mad at you for this speculation, but I would be damned scared to go on the road with contract negotiations pending around said time....hell you win or are 2nd place at the Nationals but you already had the contract negotiations beforehand with a binding contract of sorts. Seems to me they already decided...which sucks..
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Post by pavbfan on Jan 16, 2018 5:04:17 GMT -5
Nobody transfers out of Stanford. ...and Haley Hodson is now doing what exactly...? Hayley is still at Stanford. She is currently studying abroad at Oxford and is set to graduate from Stanford in ‘19.
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Post by Babar on Jan 16, 2018 12:30:15 GMT -5
A few years ago the Pac 12 was loaded with successful coaches with Final Four appearances, National Championships and International Experience: Mick Haley, Jim Moore, Andy Banachowski, Jim McLaughlin, John Dunning, Terry Liskevych, etc. Change is inevitable . . . The USC search was interesting in that it evidentally could not attract a sucessful sitting head coach from a Power 5 school. It is hard to imagine that if Minnesota, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State etc., opened up that there wouldn't be several strong coaches interested in the job. Oregon, and Washington replaced head coaches with assistants. Arizona State replaced Watson with an assistant. Cal replaced Feller with an assistant. Either ADs in the Pac 12 aren't doing their job, or the conference as a whole is not as attractive to successful Division I coaches as it once was.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jan 16, 2018 13:47:42 GMT -5
Nobody transfers out of Stanford. ...and Haley Hodson is now doing what exactly...? As already mentioned, she didn't transfer. But what I wanted to add was that even if she did transfer, she retired from playing due to injury. It would have in no way been the same as someone transferring to play somewhere else.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jan 16, 2018 13:50:23 GMT -5
None of the 5 programs you mentioned hired a sitting head coach away from a power 5 school. None of them had a final four appearance, let alone a championship. In fact I believe they only combined for 2 final 8 appearances (both by Cook). Yes, Cook had been a head coach at Wisconsin, but that gig was so good he was willing to leave it to be an assistant coach for a year. Yes, Cook left Wisconsin..... To be an assistant under a legend for one year and then take the reins of an established power program. With the exception of Russ rose I am quite confident that nearly every other coach in the country would have done the same.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jan 16, 2018 15:57:00 GMT -5
Yes, Cook left Wisconsin..... To be an assistant under a legend for one year and then take the reins of an established power program. With the exception of Russ rose I am quite confident that nearly every other coach in the country would have done the same. Yes, one was close, but still not the level of your claim for ALL of them. I think you meant to say; with the exception of Rose, Shaw, Dunning, Shoji, Gimmalaro, Banachowski, Haley, etc I did good sir
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Post by InTheKnow on Jan 16, 2018 18:39:59 GMT -5
A few years ago the Pac 12 was loaded with successful coaches with Final Four appearances, National Championships and International Experience: Mick Haley, Jim Moore, Andy Banachowski, Jim McLaughlin, John Dunning, Terry Liskevych, etc. Change is inevitable . . . The USC search was interesting in that it evidentally could not attract a sucessful sitting head coach from a Power 5 school. It is hard to imagine that if Minnesota, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State etc., opened up that there wouldn't be several strong coaches interested in the job. Oregon, and Washington replaced head coaches with assistants. Arizona State replaced Watson with an assistant. Cal replaced Feller with an assistant. Either ADs in the Pac 12 aren't doing their job, or the conference as a whole is not as attractive to successful Division I coaches as it once was. DING DING.............NOT DOING THEIR JOB!!!!!!!!
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Post by Babar on Jan 17, 2018 1:42:20 GMT -5
A few years ago the Pac 12 was loaded with successful coaches with Final Four appearances, National Championships and International Experience: Mick Haley, Jim Moore, Andy Banachowski, Jim McLaughlin, John Dunning, Terry Liskevych, etc. Change is inevitable . . . The USC search was interesting in that it evidentally could not attract a sucessful sitting head coach from a Power 5 school. It is hard to imagine that if Minnesota, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State etc., opened up that there wouldn't be several strong coaches interested in the job. Oregon, and Washington replaced head coaches with assistants. Arizona State replaced Watson with an assistant. Cal replaced Feller with an assistant. Either ADs in the Pac 12 aren't doing their job, or the conference as a whole is not as attractive to successful Division I coaches as it once was. None of the 5 programs you mentioned hired a sitting head coach away from a power 5 school. None of them had a final four appearance, let alone a championship. In fact I believe they only combined for 2 final 8 appearances (both by Cook). Yes, Cook had been a head coach at Wisconsin, but that gig was so good he was willing to leave it to be an assistant coach for a year. When Cook and Rose retire within a few years, every single B1G championship goes with them. Yes, the B1G may add another championship or 2 before they both retire, but the odds are long that if the B1G does add anymore titles, that they will also belong to either Cook or Rose. The big question is what happens then? The ACC, SEC and Big 12 are all improving, meaning more girls staying home to play. The biggest question is does B1G womens volleyball have any real staying power, or is it primarily a function of two great coaches who are near retirement? John Cook beat his own team (Wisconsin) in the finals in his first year as head coach at Nebraska. He left a very strong team that was two sets up on Nebrska in the Championship match. Hugh won medals for both the men's and womens Olympic teams. (He may be the best tactical coach in college volleyball). Michigan State's Cathy George took a team to the Final 4 long before she became the Michigan State Coach, . . . IMO the athletic administrtions in the BIG are doing more to promote volleyball and hire better coaches than any other conference. If Cook retires they will not be hiring a coach who has not had great success at the Division I level. Right now I can't say the same for any PAC 12 institution with the exception of Stanford and perhaps UCLA.
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 2, 2018 14:43:25 GMT -5
Pretty sure mick is broadcasting the Pitt vs Notre Dame game right now for ESPN
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Post by lionsfan on Sept 2, 2018 14:48:53 GMT -5
Pretty sure mick is broadcasting the Pitt vs Notre Dame game right now for ESPN Purdue vs. Notre Dame...and yes, he is
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Sept 2, 2018 14:52:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure mick is broadcasting the Pitt vs Notre Dame game right now for ESPN Purdue vs. Notre Dame...and yes, he is Good for Mick. Wonder if he will do any USC games.
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Post by hammer on Sept 2, 2018 15:26:18 GMT -5
Mick's broadcasting debut was "unexciting". Hopefully ESPN works with him a little on delivery and conciseness. There were certainly tidbits of info that were valuable. And, fortunately, he is no Nell Fortner.
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Post by bayarea on Sept 2, 2018 15:45:59 GMT -5
Mick's broadcasting debut was "unexciting". Hopefully ESPN works with him a little on delivery and conciseness. There were certainly tidbits of info that were valuable. And, fortunately, he is no Nell Fortner. It's nice to have someone who knows what they are talking about doing commentary. A match I watched last weekend had a commentator who called a serving error an ace, and kept referring to what a long "volley" that was... cringeworthy. Hope Mick finds new life doing this.
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