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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 20, 2017 14:38:27 GMT -5
Guest2: Well, I'd take the Chase Frishman bet, but at 57 years of age, I'm sure that game would be "interesting"...I would have to question losing its biggest draw. Draw relative to what? Attendance? Sales? Sponsors? Even in her prime they were paying NBC for televising. Times is a changing, but Kerri virtually won every AVP, so no sales pitch necessary for her value necessary, but that doesn't always translate into revenue for the operation/other players? The AVP San Francisco stop had MANY pros missing and I don't think there was an empty seat in the house for most big matchups. I have no idea what the balance sheet/income statement looks like, but I've talked to Donald Sun and he seems genuinely interested in creating a base and then growing it. Nothing sells tickets like the scarcity of tickets so the stadiums are the perfect size, soon to be growing I would imagine, but you cannot resurrect an entity like the AVP with the baggage it carried in '11-12 overnight. As they say, if it was so easy, everybody would be doing it!
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Post by gobruins on Dec 20, 2017 14:45:40 GMT -5
Do you know the Pantone number for dubious?
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Post by guest2 on Dec 20, 2017 14:47:31 GMT -5
Guest2: Well, I'd take the Chase Frishman bet, but at 57 years of age, I'm sure that game would be "interesting"...I would have to question losing its biggest draw. Draw relative to what? Attendance? Sales? Sponsors? Even in her prime they were paying NBC for televising. Times is a changing, but Kerri virtually won every AVP, so no sales pitch necessary for her value necessary, but that doesn't always translate into revenue for the operation/other players? The AVP San Francisco stop had MANY pros missing and I don't think there was an empty seat in the house for most big matchups. I have no idea what the balance sheet/income statement looks like, but I've talked to Donald Sun and he seems genuinely interested in creating a base and then growing it. Nothing sells tickets like the scarcity of tickets so the stadiums are the perfect size, soon to be growing I would imagine, but you cannot resurrect an entity like the AVP with the baggage it carried in '11-12 overnight. As they say, if it was so easy, everybody would be doing it! Draw relative to every other US player. I am not saying Kerri is Muhammad Ali but sports fans know who she is and people come out to see her. Maybe one other women's player you can say either about and Kerri is a bigger draw than April. I dont think any mens player fits either description. The brand is certainly a draw as JB mentioned but among players its Kerri by a mile. And second is probably Misty who hasnt played in years. I agree Donald Sun is interested in doing things right and he has sacrificed for the tour. I am grateful for what he has done, I just haven't seen anything that would make me bet that the Sun-owned AVP still exists five years from now
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Post by JB Southpaw on Dec 20, 2017 14:49:19 GMT -5
1. I think this last year KWJ isn't the main draw. The AVP brand is. Every stop had great attendance. 2. the amount of players who are playing the Qs was very high. Especially the women. Which shows the sport is growing. 3. Jordan could beat half the NBA in one on one right now, when you are the greatest, you are the greatest. I'd rather he take the path he is, than over extend himself. Quality of quantity. I know for fact, this year was very close to having 2 other stops. I think Amazon will help this. 2 is true, but does it show the sport is growing as a spectator sport or as a participation sport? VB has always been huge as a participation sport, especially for women, but no one watches it. I don't think it means much that Karch could beat Chase, but he said that it was an issue that Karch was better known than a journeyman player. You could say the same about Russell and Kelly Oubre (in terms of who is known) There are tons of articles out there about the increase in participation, fans will come. Look at the SF AVP, look who wasn't there! It still had a great turnout. It's coming around.
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Post by donnyw on Dec 20, 2017 15:25:04 GMT -5
I just think that if Kerri surrounds herself with the right team, this is a tour that could possibly get off the ground....many won’t agree but LA can turn a profit....
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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 20, 2017 15:30:22 GMT -5
I don't think anyone could commit a stance on Kerri's tour since we don't know what it would include...In most markets, you have two players (Coke/Pepsi, Hertz/Avis, etc.), with the FIVB and AVP, the numbers are stacked against (especially with the contracts in place), but who knows until we hear what her idea is . . . Fighting with the AVP, though maybe she had no choice, does not seem to have worked out so far... You don't have to love your employer . . . many don't (not talking AVP, but in general)....
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Dec 20, 2017 15:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by hustleslowly on Dec 20, 2017 15:42:23 GMT -5
I just think that if Kerri surrounds herself with the right team, this is a tour that could possibly get off the ground....many won’t agree but LA can turn a profit.... Did LA ever turn a profit with the AVP. I thought it always lost money under him as well. Now he did increase stops, etc., and who knows what they can do with accounting for a public company, but i don't believe there was a profit shown.
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Post by volleyballjim on Dec 20, 2017 15:47:11 GMT -5
hustleslowly: From what I've READ, he DID get a group to offer $40 million to buy it and the players turned it down....Probably where I got my "weary feeling about players running tours"... Also read it was last profitable in 1998...so he must have been profitable at some point; liquor sponsorship was key though . . .
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Post by ebes1099 on Dec 20, 2017 16:11:41 GMT -5
I just don't see where you get enough quality players to fill 2 "pro" tours. You already struggle filling one tour when you're competing with international events. Are people really going to tune in to watch a tour with players that were winning 1 qualifier match and not advancing?
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Post by donnyw on Dec 20, 2017 18:52:48 GMT -5
There are many quality players, they are just not showcased enough...There are a ton of young players coming out of college in the next year or two that could potential to be the next Misty, Holly, Kerri or April....
If this new tour takes off and keeps their events on off weekends from the AVP and can offer good prize money I just don’t see how Sun could not let them play.
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Dec 20, 2017 20:17:43 GMT -5
Honestly, it's all too early to tell. Don't forget, and I'm not sure if Travis mentioned this in his post, it was said in Kerri's video whilst we was speaking, or I hit the holiday eggnog a wee bit too early but....
Kerri is calling this (and I am paraphrasing) " a tour for lack of a better name". I mean it probably will be called "tour" or considered one, but I have doubts that any sponsor(s) will put up the money for multiple events, especially toward a sport (awesome as it is) that has proven to be a wee bit shaky at times. And so soon after the NVL.....well, nuff said. So, baby steps.
Also, and this one WAS in Travis's post: apparently no Armato and Hannemann involvement in the Walsh-Jennings Tour. So would this suggest FIVB involvement of some sort? Cause I really don't see this happening if it was just Kerri and Kerri alone saying one day "Hey, let's make a tour!!"
Anyways, Happy Holidays!!
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Post by bigfan on Dec 20, 2017 20:21:09 GMT -5
KWJ somehow may be able to get financing from the huge money floating around the bay area from the high tech crowd.................... a few of these young technocrats love volleyball.
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Post by donnyw on Dec 20, 2017 22:13:51 GMT -5
Honestly, it's all too early to tell. Don't forget, and I'm not sure if Travis mentioned this in his post, it was said in Kerri's video whilst we was speaking, or I hit the holiday eggnog a wee bit too early but.... Kerri is calling this (and I am paraphrasing) " a tour for lack of a better name". I mean it probably will be called "tour" or considered one, but I have doubts that any sponsor(s) will put up the money for multiple events, especially toward a sport (awesome as it is) that has proven to be a wee bit shaky at times. And so soon after the NVL.....well, nuff said. So, baby steps. Also, and this one WAS in Travis's post: apparently no Armato and Hannemann involvement in the Walsh-Jennings Tour. So would this suggest FIVB involvement of some sort? Cause I really don't see this happening if it was just Kerri and Kerri alone saying one day "Hey, let's make a tour!!" Anyways, Happy Holidays!! I guess if the AVP can call 7 or 8 events a tour for the past several years, then I guess 4 in Kerris tour (hate calling it that,but everyone else is, so I’ll go with it) 1st year won’t be so bad....
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Post by donnyw on Dec 20, 2017 22:16:40 GMT -5
KWJ somehow may be able to get financing from the huge money floating around the bay area from the high tech crowd.................... a few of these young technocrats love volleyball. From what I’m hearing, there is another huge investor other than LA, also with deep pockets involved in this venture....Rumour has it this person is worth more than Donald Sun.....Interesting 🤔🤔
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Dec 21, 2017 7:49:21 GMT -5
Honestly, it's all too early to tell. Don't forget, and I'm not sure if Travis mentioned this in his post, it was said in Kerri's video whilst we was speaking, or I hit the holiday eggnog a wee bit too early but.... Kerri is calling this (and I am paraphrasing) " a tour for lack of a better name". I mean it probably will be called "tour" or considered one, but I have doubts that any sponsor(s) will put up the money for multiple events, especially toward a sport (awesome as it is) that has proven to be a wee bit shaky at times. And so soon after the NVL.....well, nuff said. So, baby steps. Also, and this one WAS in Travis's post: apparently no Armato and Hannemann involvement in the Walsh-Jennings Tour. So would this suggest FIVB involvement of some sort? Cause I really don't see this happening if it was just Kerri and Kerri alone saying one day "Hey, let's make a tour!!" Anyways, Happy Holidays!! I guess if the AVP can call 7 or 8 events a tour for the past several years, then I guess 4 in Kerris tour (hate calling it that,but everyone else is, so I’ll go with it) 1st year won’t be so bad.... Hmmm, I would be very surprised if its 4 events right off the bat. I can picture it being like a WSOBV type, then expanding provided it doesn't fold immediately. But again, if there's sponsors with deep pockets, anything is possible.
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