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Post by 405LAX on Jan 4, 2018 17:58:13 GMT -5
Lost in all this is the fact that they are most certainly NOT and never will be a top FIVB team, ever. Sure, they can take down newly formed, flawed teams or even Crabb/Rosie (another weak international team) but against top competition, no shot. Miles COULD get there with someone like Slick or Ryan if everything clicked perfectly in place but they are most certainly not contenders for high finishes in top international tournaments. I'd give them T5 AVP on regular basis if both playing at highest level.
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Post by travismewhirter on Jan 4, 2018 19:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Jan 4, 2018 19:33:27 GMT -5
"They have taken a silver and a bronze on the FIVB." And Priddy has been playing long enough and at a high enough level?
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Post by 405LAX on Jan 4, 2018 19:38:56 GMT -5
Yes, they have taken those spots – in the lowest star events without other US teams bothering to attend. HUGE distinction to make, haven't read piece but that quote alone is very misleading.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 4, 2018 20:05:27 GMT -5
Yes, they have taken those spots – in the lowest star events without other US teams bothering to attend. HUGE distinction to make, haven't read piece but that quote alone is very misleading. Agree entirely. Saying silver and bronze without saying one star is like saying won an AVP, when someone finished first at Hot Winter Nights
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Post by haze on Jan 5, 2018 15:31:23 GMT -5
Kolinske has already made a comment about the AVP contract, I don't see why he would need to make another one. "I just feel like for 90 percent of the players that can't play internationally, they should be able to go play an NVL event where they can at least attempt to make a living," Kolinske said. "I'm not expecting to be rich from playing beach volleyball, but most players on tour lose money after all is said and done. Top to bottom, the prize money on the table is so limited that it makes it practically unsustainable to play on tour unless you have a 'real' job to fund the lifestyle." According to BVB Info, Kolinske made $10,700 on the AVP tour in 2016. "I just feel like it doesn't have to be like this, and players deserve the right to have as many opportunities as possible," Kolinske said. "In the last four years, I've loved playing the AVP, but realistically, it's only 20 days out of the year we're playing on the AVP and we're under contract for all 365. The AVP was very good about dispensation for any other tournaments we wanted to go to, except the NVL. Now the problem is, the NVL is one of the only other ones where you could actually go win a tournament and maybe split $8,000." www.flovolleyball.tv/articles/5064679-avp-player-contract-requires-exclusivity-four-year-commitmentI do not know for sure but I am under the impression that Miles Evans shares a very similar viewpoint as Kolinske.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 5, 2018 17:00:16 GMT -5
brutal playoff draw for these guys. Brouwer/Meussen with the winner getting Latvia? So much for piling up some points, thats just lousy luck
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Post by tamz on Jan 5, 2018 17:50:31 GMT -5
brutal playoff draw for these guys. Brouwer/Meussen with the winner getting Latvia? So much for piling up some points, thats just lousy luck Patterson and Slick getting Losiak and Kantor if they win Round of 24 is pretty scary also.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 5, 2018 18:02:58 GMT -5
Kolinske has already made a comment about the AVP contract, I don't see why he would need to make another one. "I just feel like for 90 percent of the players that can't play internationally, they should be able to go play an NVL event where they can at least attempt to make a living," Kolinske said. "I'm not expecting to be rich from playing beach volleyball, but most players on tour lose money after all is said and done. Top to bottom, the prize money on the table is so limited that it makes it practically unsustainable to play on tour unless you have a 'real' job to fund the lifestyle." According to BVB Info, Kolinske made $10,700 on the AVP tour in 2016. "I just feel like it doesn't have to be like this, and players deserve the right to have as many opportunities as possible," Kolinske said. "In the last four years, I've loved playing the AVP, but realistically, it's only 20 days out of the year we're playing on the AVP and we're under contract for all 365. The AVP was very good about dispensation for any other tournaments we wanted to go to, except the NVL. Now the problem is, the NVL is one of the only other ones where you could actually go win a tournament and maybe split $8,000." www.flovolleyball.tv/articles/5064679-avp-player-contract-requires-exclusivity-four-year-commitmentI do not know for sure but I am under the impression that Miles Evans shares a very similar viewpoint as Kolinske. That is a great stance and all but does not mean a thing when the NVL does not exist and Sun has had no issues with the other big one off popular weekend tourneys. Even in 2016, which was Skyler DelSol's best year on tour, he made 18k..... Lets say that Bill took his 10.7k and say he split 8k for every NVL event that year which had 6 events (http://thenvl.com/2016/02/pro-tour-schedule/) he would have totaled 34.7k for the season......remember Skyler was top money earner and only got 18k that season just on NVL Tour........ and that is hoping none of the NVL/AVP days overlapped, or interfered with him trying to do anything internationally involved and/or have conflicts with whatever else he would need to do for a part time job. He is not the likes of Walsh making a stand against the AVP and I seriously doubt her beef was weighted on the exclusivity of the contract, so honestly if Sun didn't give a crap about her protesting what makes anyone think he cares what Bill thinks when there are more kids coming out of college that will be the next Bill? His stance is doing nothing for the existing or new up and coming players IMO and only hurting himself. He would still need a part time job making 34.7k before taxes, while having no company provided health insurance, 401k plan that will be matched, or any added bonuses or benefits that you may otherwise get from a real full time job unless he is lucky. He may have stated what he thinks back in May of 2017 but even now that landscape is different and I do not see it changing any time soon where he could split 8k over 6 events consistently. I know he has the tutoring business and all but honestly it just does not make much sense at all for him not to sign the contract and compete against the best where he will probably make more than the 10.7k he did in 2016 all while possibly preparing for a 2020 run if he feels that is in his future.
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Post by haze on Jan 5, 2018 18:25:55 GMT -5
Yea, I personally think for the better of his career, especially if he is wanting to play FIVB, play the AVP and play with and against the best Americans in the game. If something happens where they break up at least it would be easier to get a better partner than playing NVL, especially if he wants to continue to play FIVB.
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Post by donnyw on Jan 5, 2018 19:18:36 GMT -5
Yea, I personally think for the better of his career, especially if he is wanting to play FIVB, play the AVP and play with and against the best Americans in the game. If something happens where they break up at least it would be easier to get a better partner than playing NVL, especially if he wants to continue to play FIVB. [b I think the other tour is going to have some decent talent!!! Not concerned about the talent at all!!
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Post by acemand23 on Jan 5, 2018 19:27:29 GMT -5
I think the point that Billy is trying to make (and is being overlooked with the math) is that a top caliber player in the volleyball community should be having to barely make it by as a top 10 team... the sport is failing the athletes and the current system is not helping...
When all the fans of the sport make more that the athletes, there is a problem... there is no motivation for talent when a normal day job pays more...
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Post by donnyw on Jan 5, 2018 20:07:02 GMT -5
Kolinske has already made a comment about the AVP contract, I don't see why he would need to make another one. "I just feel like for 90 percent of the players that can't play internationally, they should be able to go play an NVL event where they can at least attempt to make a living," Kolinske said. "I'm not expecting to be rich from playing beach volleyball, but most players on tour lose money after all is said and done. Top to bottom, the prize money on the table is so limited that it makes it practically unsustainable to play on tour unless you have a 'real' job to fund the lifestyle." According to BVB Info, Kolinske made $10,700 on the AVP tour in 2016. "I just feel like it doesn't have to be like this, and players deserve the right to have as many opportunities as possible," Kolinske said. "In the last four years, I've loved playing the AVP, but realistically, it's only 20 days out of the year we're playing on the AVP and we're under contract for all 365. The AVP was very good about dispensation for any other tournaments we wanted to go to, except the NVL. Now the problem is, the NVL is one of the only other ones where you could actually go win a tournament and maybe split $8,000." www.flovolleyball.tv/articles/5064679-avp-player-contract-requires-exclusivity-four-year-commitmentI do not know for sure but I am under the impression that Miles Evans shares a very similar viewpoint as Kolinske. That is a great stance and all but does not mean a thing when the NVL does not exist and Sun has had no issues with the other big one off popular weekend tourneys. Even in 2016, which was Skyler DelSol's best year on tour, he made 18k..... Lets say that Bill took his 10.7k and say he split 8k for every NVL event that year which had 6 events (http://thenvl.com/2016/02/pro-tour-schedule/) he would have totaled 34.7k for the season......remember Skyler was top money earner and only got 18k that season just on NVL Tour........ and that is hoping none of the NVL/AVP days overlapped, or interfered with him trying to do anything internationally involved and/or have conflicts with whatever else he would need to do for a part time job. He is not the likes of Walsh making a stand against the AVP and I seriously doubt her beef was weighted on the exclusivity of the contract, so honestly if Sun didn't give a crap about her protesting what makes anyone think he cares what Bill thinks when there are more kids coming out of college that will be the next Bill? His stance is doing nothing for the existing or new up and coming players IMO and only hurting himself. He would still need a part time job making 34.7k before taxes, while having no company provided health insurance, 401k plan that will be matched, or any added bonuses or benefits that you may otherwise get from a real full time job unless he is lucky. He may have stated what he thinks back in May of 2017 but even now that landscape is different and I do not see it changing any time soon where he could split 8k over 6 events consistently. I know he has the tutoring business and all but honestly it just does not make much sense at all for him not to sign the contract and compete against the best where he will probably make more than the 10.7k he did in 2016 all while possibly preparing for a 2020 run if he feels that is in his future. [/quote Here you go Travis...Maybe you can get Kerri on your Podcast and ask her what her real beef is with the AVP....Other than probably feeling used for several years, not getting paid the money promised and having to sign a very lopsided contract that ties the athlete tot the AVP 24/7...365 a year?....Shouldn’t be to hard to get these answers from her....
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Post by guest2 on Jan 5, 2018 20:25:41 GMT -5
I think the point that Billy is trying to make (and is being overlooked with the math) is that a top caliber player in the volleyball community should be having to barely make it by as a top 10 team... the sport is failing the athletes and the current system is not helping... When all the fans of the sport make more that the athletes, there is a problem... there is no motivation for talent when a normal day job pays more... Why? Was it a problem when fans made more than Von Hagen or Menges? or more than Smith/Stoklos? Were those teams not motivated? You know what the big difference between those guys and guys like Billy are? People actually showed up to see them. Why is it a problem that low level players barely get by? Or have to get a second job in their incredibly ample free time? I don't understand why anyone thinks entertainers who can't draw fans are entitled to live well. Their job has no intrinsic merit, they aren't teachers or judges or doctors. The players are entertainers but almost none of them understand that or accept the responsibilities that come with it. If the third lead in a play at your local community center was whining about having to get another job, you would think to yourself, why should your hobby be subsidized? Whats the difference between that actor and Billy?
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Post by hustleslowly on Jan 5, 2018 22:08:40 GMT -5
I think the point that Billy is trying to make (and is being overlooked with the math) is that a top caliber player in the volleyball community should be having to barely make it by as a top 10 team... the sport is failing the athletes and the current system is not helping... When all the fans of the sport make more that the athletes, there is a problem... there is no motivation for talent when a normal day job pays more... I get what he's trying to say... Mid level players don't make squat. Having more opportunities means the ability to make more money. But I also get Donald's point of view. Sign players so sponsors know who and where their sponsorship money goes. Splitting talent doesn't help. AVP will never be as big as it was unless the FIVB folds. I'm hoping we can get 12-14 stops for the tour in the next couple years.
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