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Post by Northern lights on Jan 20, 2018 13:02:53 GMT -5
This is a topic worth discussing on this board. We keep bringing up examples of younger and younger commitments. I think it is safe to say the majority do not like the way recruiting has trended. Is the problem the character of the Coaches involved? Did a few bad Coaches start the trend and other's were forced to follow? Would coaches prefer a new system with better parameters? What do you think?
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Post by huskerholiday on Jan 20, 2018 13:10:32 GMT -5
Good Question. The want the get before the get can get got.
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Post by Millennium on Jan 20, 2018 16:25:28 GMT -5
This is a topic worth discussing on this board. We keep bringing up examples of younger and younger commitments. I think it is safe to say the majority do not like the way recruiting has trended. Is the problem the character of the Coaches involved? Did a few bad Coaches start the trend and other's were forced to follow? Would coaches prefer a new system with better parameters? What do you think? I don't like it, but it's also a double edged sword. Some recruits peak at a younger age. Yes, you have promising young talent committed to your program, but they may not mature/develop as expected by the time they reach college. Also, programs may end up expending their scholarships too early (with little or no room to tweak their rosters) and lose out on recruits who peak later in life.
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Post by 900sqftdad on Jan 20, 2018 16:31:52 GMT -5
Market & their Competition Driven
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Post by TuesdayGone on Jan 20, 2018 16:36:41 GMT -5
Because it is pretty easy to tell the top kids by 8th grade.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 20, 2018 17:41:11 GMT -5
This is a topic worth discussing on this board. We keep bringing up examples of younger and younger commitments. I think it is safe to say the majority do not like the way recruiting has trended. Is the problem the character of the Coaches involved? Did a few bad Coaches start the trend and other's were forced to follow? Would coaches prefer a new system with better parameters? What do you think? I have closely followed football recruiting for decades. Early recruiting in football started with some coaches trying to get a jump on their competitors for the top prospects. When they were successful, it forced their competitors to do the same and then some started even earlier. At this point, top sophomores will get some offers along with an occasional freshman. That's about the limits of the football timeframe because most college prospects don't start playing varsity ball until their sophomore year. However in football, not a lot of commits before their junior year and still a number don't commit until close to signing day. Unlike volleyball, a lot of early commits will also change their commitment at least once before they actually sign as commitments rarely slow down the recruiting process by other schools.
Not surprising then that volleyball recruiting is even earlier. Girls mature faster than boys so a lot of 14 and 15 year old girls have reached close to their physical max by that time. Also with club, coaches can see college prospects play against similar competition at that age.
I don't think this represents bad character by coaches or was started by bad coaches. Just coaches trying to get a competitive edge.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 20, 2018 17:45:21 GMT -5
This is a topic worth discussing on this board. We keep bringing up examples of younger and younger commitments. I think it is safe to say the majority do not like the way recruiting has trended. Is the problem the character of the Coaches involved? Did a few bad Coaches start the trend and other's were forced to follow? Would coaches prefer a new system with better parameters? What do you think? Do you believe the college volleyball coaches who have recruited and committed 8th graders to be of poor character, or “bad” coaches?
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Post by oldmanred on Jan 20, 2018 17:56:54 GMT -5
It's just a matter of the early bird gets the worm! If a girl shows talent; she will most likely get better by the time she goes to college; so naturally if her dream school calls; she will commit! Nothing wrong with that!
GO HUSKERS
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Post by Northern lights on Jan 20, 2018 17:57:01 GMT -5
This is a topic worth discussing on this board. We keep bringing up examples of younger and younger commitments. I think it is safe to say the majority do not like the way recruiting has trended. Is the problem the character of the Coaches involved? Did a few bad Coaches start the trend and other's were forced to follow? Would coaches prefer a new system with better parameters? What do you think? Do you believe the college volleyball coaches who have recruited and committed 8th graders to be of poor character, or “bad” coaches? No I do not. I do not think there are many if any people with bad intentions. I think nobody foresaw recruiting getting this way, and the current system does not work in the best interest of the athlete's or the Coaches.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 20, 2018 18:04:43 GMT -5
Do you believe the college volleyball coaches who have recruited and committed 8th graders to be of poor character, or “bad” coaches? No I do not. I do not think there are many if any people with bad intentions. I think nobody foresaw recruiting getting this way, and the current system does not work in the best interest of the athlete's or the Coaches. To play devil's advocate, what are reasons for saying that the current system does not work in the best interest of either party? At least, why is it worse than whatever you would call the preferred system.
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Post by Northern lights on Jan 20, 2018 18:14:18 GMT -5
No I do not. I do not think there are many if any people with bad intentions. I think nobody foresaw recruiting getting this way, and the current system does not work in the best interest of the athlete's or the Coaches. To play devil's advocate, what are reasons for saying that the current system does not work in the best interest of either party? At least, why is it worse than whatever you would call the preferred system. I do not think a 14 year old girl who has been playing volleyball for just a couple of years is ready to make an informed decision. Especially one as important as your education because remember to me this is supposed to be the best education your volleyball talent can afford. As for Coaches when you recruit young the room for error is higher, primarily because so much can happen in the 4-5 years until that athlete steps on campus to play. The sport is so competitive these errors can cause you your job.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 20, 2018 18:19:47 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate, what are reasons for saying that the current system does not work in the best interest of either party? At least, why is it worse than whatever you would call the preferred system. I do not think a 14 year old girl who has been playing volleyball for just a couple of years is ready to make an informed decision. Especially one as important as your education because remember to me this is supposed to be the best education your volleyball talent can afford. As for Coaches when you recruit young the room for error is higher, primarily because so much can happen in the 4-5 years until that athlete steps on campus to play. The sport is so competitive these errors can cause you your job. Should that not be a decision made by the recruit’s family though? How is that idea universally applicable to all 14 year olds and their families?
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Post by Northern lights on Jan 20, 2018 18:23:25 GMT -5
I do not think a 14 year old girl who has been playing volleyball for just a couple of years is ready to make an informed decision. Especially one as important as your education because remember to me this is supposed to be the best education your volleyball talent can afford. As for Coaches when you recruit young the room for error is higher, primarily because so much can happen in the 4-5 years until that athlete steps on campus to play. The sport is so competitive these errors can cause you your job. Should that not be a decision made by the recruit’s family though? How is that idea universally applicable to all 14 year olds and their families? Sure if you want to choose a volleyball experience over the quality of your education, or the future implications of your education, then yes that is your choice. Since parents are part of this subject and Coaches are adults I would hope that education is counselled as primary.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 20, 2018 18:42:52 GMT -5
Should that not be a decision made by the recruit’s family though? How is that idea universally applicable to all 14 year olds and their families? Sure if you want to choose a volleyball experience over the quality of your education, or the future implications of your education, then yes that is your choice. Since parents are part of this subject and Coaches are adults I would hope that education is counselled as primary. I guess I just don’t buy into the idea that kids are all the sudden going to be so much more “correct” in what they want to do with their life two-three years later, and that the quality of their education is drastically lessened by an early commitment.
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Post by Vacation on Jan 20, 2018 18:52:40 GMT -5
I think the get the want gotten and got getting git.
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