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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 14:37:33 GMT -5
402 has been given his last warning. He posts this stuff in another thread, other than the one he created for it, he's gone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 14:41:54 GMT -5
It's just been my personal experience from working with both male and females and I prefer the males. Ok - which again is the result of societal factors, not innate qualities of being a woman. I personally think that you should be celebrating other women in the workforce and supporting their successes and not just "hanging with the dudes" because it's easier. That probably contributes to the issue. Seriously? I celebrate women and really like seeing women succeed and one of those women being my daughter, thank you. My family owns a Transmission shop so I happen to work with all men. Not once in the 7 years that I have worked here has a woman walked in here wanting a job rebuilding transmissions, differentials or to install clutches. Believe me, if a woman walked in here and could do the job we would consider hiring her so yes, I work with all men and I prefer to. Back in the 90's, I worked for the Boeing company and there was around 10 women in our group and it was an utter nightmare....I felt like I was back in Junior High School. When you have a mix of men and women in the workplace that is fine but when it's all women there is always going to be an issue period. When my daughter was around 4 a group of girls would come over to our home to play barbies or whatever and I saw the games and manipulation back then so I am allowed my opinion regardless of what the volleytalk police think. Like I said, it's my opinion and we all know opinions are like assh*les, everyone has one. Have a great day
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Post by donut on Feb 9, 2018 14:58:00 GMT -5
Ok - which again is the result of societal factors, not innate qualities of being a woman. I personally think that you should be celebrating other women in the workforce and supporting their successes and not just "hanging with the dudes" because it's easier. That probably contributes to the issue. Seriously? I celebrate women and really like seeing women succeed and one of those women being my daughter, thank you. My family owns a Transmission shop so I happen to work with all men. Not once in the 7 years that I have worked here has a woman walked in here wanting a job rebuilding transmissions, differentials or to install clutches. Believe me, if a woman walked in here and could do the job we would consider hiring her so yes, I work with all men and I prefer to. Back in the 90's, I worked for the Boeing company and there was around 10 women in our group and it was an utter nightmare....I felt like I was back in Junior High School. When you have a mix of men and women in the workplace that is fine but when it's all women there is always going to be an issue period. When my daughter was around 4 a group of girls would come over to our home to play barbies or whatever and I saw the games and manipulation back then so I am allowed my opinion regardless of what the volleytalk police think. Like I said, it's my opinion and we all know opinions are like assh*les, everyone has one. Have a great day Don't post if you don't want a response to your opinion. That's literally the point of a forum - the sharing and discussion of opinions. You also don't understand the point I'm making -- you saying woman are hard to work with and thus choosing to simply work with men is lazy, especially when men in the workplace are why women are unpleasant in the workplace. I'm sorry you had a %*$#ty time at Boeing - ever thought about the fact that it was because 1) woman felt as if they had to compete with each other for the 1 or 2 executive level positions (if that) that were occupied by women or 2) you were paid less than your male counterparts or 3) they were constantly being put down by their male counterparts or 4) to men, if they were "career-driven" or strict, they were called "b*tches," etc. the list goes on. Again - do some research and I'm sure you'll find plenty of reasons to explain that "utter nightmare" which stem from a super patriarchal and oppressive work culture. Side note: Also please enlighten us as to what womanly "games and manipulation" your FOUR-year-old was displaying...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 15:07:52 GMT -5
Seriously? I celebrate women and really like seeing women succeed and one of those women being my daughter, thank you. My family owns a Transmission shop so I happen to work with all men. Not once in the 7 years that I have worked here has a woman walked in here wanting a job rebuilding transmissions, differentials or to install clutches. Believe me, if a woman walked in here and could do the job we would consider hiring her so yes, I work with all men and I prefer to. Back in the 90's, I worked for the Boeing company and there was around 10 women in our group and it was an utter nightmare....I felt like I was back in Junior High School. When you have a mix of men and women in the workplace that is fine but when it's all women there is always going to be an issue period. When my daughter was around 4 a group of girls would come over to our home to play barbies or whatever and I saw the games and manipulation back then so I am allowed my opinion regardless of what the volleytalk police think. Like I said, it's my opinion and we all know opinions are like assh*les, everyone has one. Have a great day Don't post if you don't want a response to your opinion. That's literally the point of a forum - the sharing and discussion of opinions. You also don't understand the point I'm making -- you saying woman are hard to work with and thus choosing to simply work with men is lazy, especially when men in the workplace are why women are unpleasant in the workplace. I'm sorry you had a %*$#ty time at Boeing - ever thought about the fact that it was because 1) woman felt as if they had to compete with each other for the 1 or 2 executive level positions (if that) that were occupied by women or 2) you were paid less than your male counterparts or 3) they were constantly being put down by their male counterparts or 4) to men, if they were "career-driven" or strict, they were called "b*tches," etc. the list goes on. Again - do some research and I'm sure you'll find plenty of reasons to explain that "utter nightmare" that stem from a super patriarchal and oppressive work culture. Side note: Also please enlighten us as to what womanly "games and manipulation" your FOUR-year-old was displaying... [/qu I am so not into going back and forth with you. I said what I had to say and I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 15:17:08 GMT -5
BYE
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Post by trainermch on Feb 9, 2018 15:24:01 GMT -5
A bus will straighten that attitude out I laughed because while it's the worst situation to end up in it does seem to have some parallel to once someone lives through some sh!t they tend to become better people. SaveWhy do posters add "Save" at the end of some posts? Is that a search mechanism?
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Post by labtec1 on Feb 9, 2018 16:12:08 GMT -5
Have a daughter. She played D1. Tough kid, never coddled and raised to respect others, work hard, be thankful for everything and be kind. I understand competitiveness in sports, but most people have no idea what goes on behind closed doors or how vicious girls can be. I have true horror stories of what she experienced from teammates competing for the same position. It is ridiculous. And coaches are in the dark as to what happens off the court. She never said anything because it is ingrained to show no weakness and not be a snitch. In both cases, the mothers of the two kids were worse so I agree it comes from some of the parents telling their kids their crap don't stink and do what you have to do to get the role.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 9, 2018 16:16:40 GMT -5
Have a daughter. She played D1. Tough kid, never coddled and raised to respect others, work hard, be thankful for everything and be kind. I understand competitiveness in sports, but most people have no idea what goes on behind closed doors or how vicious girls can be. I have true horror stories of what she experienced from teammates competing for the same position. It is ridiculous. And coaches are in the dark as to what happens off the court. She never said anything because it is ingrained to show no weakness and not be a snitch. In both cases, the mothers of the two kids were worse so I agree it comes from some of the parents telling their kids their crap don't stink and do what you have to do to get the role. Speaking to the CHOIR.
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Post by donut on Feb 9, 2018 17:07:46 GMT -5
Don't post if you don't want a response to your opinion. That's literally the point of a forum - the sharing and discussion of opinions. You also don't understand the point I'm making -- you saying woman are hard to work with and thus choosing to simply work with men is lazy, especially when men in the workplace are why women are unpleasant in the workplace. I'm sorry you had a %*$#ty time at Boeing - ever thought about the fact that it was because 1) woman felt as if they had to compete with each other for the 1 or 2 executive level positions (if that) that were occupied by women or 2) you were paid less than your male counterparts or 3) they were constantly being put down by their male counterparts or 4) to men, if they were "career-driven" or strict, they were called "b*tches," etc. the list goes on. Again - do some research and I'm sure you'll find plenty of reasons to explain that "utter nightmare" that stem from a super patriarchal and oppressive work culture. Side note: Also please enlighten us as to what womanly "games and manipulation" your FOUR-year-old was displaying... [/qu I am so not into going back and forth with you. I said what I had to say and I'm done. Thank you for RESPONDING to let me know you are NO LONGER RESPONDING.
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Post by trainermch on Feb 9, 2018 17:09:25 GMT -5
Thank you for RESPONDING to let me know you are NO LONGER RESPONDING. What was the question about the four year old games?
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Post by donut on Feb 9, 2018 17:11:56 GMT -5
Thank you for RESPONDING to let me know you are NO LONGER RESPONDING. What was the question about the four year old games? <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 877px; top: -202px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63919149"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -15px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77993203"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 877px; top: -15px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_99440468"></iframe> The four-year-old games would be posting to say you are no longer posting just to try to get in the last word.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 9, 2018 17:13:36 GMT -5
I laughed because while it's the worst situation to end up in it does seem to have some parallel to once someone lives through some sh!t they tend to become better people. SaveWhy do posters add "Save" at the end of some posts? Is that a search mechanism? My work computer does this. I've tried going into the code and deleting the code for it before posting and it doesn't work. It's literally in my signature because it annoys me to no end.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 9, 2018 17:17:14 GMT -5
Have a daughter. She played D1. Tough kid, never coddled and raised to respect others, work hard, be thankful for everything and be kind. I understand competitiveness in sports, but most people have no idea what goes on behind closed doors or how vicious girls can be. I have true horror stories of what she experienced from teammates competing for the same position. It is ridiculous. And coaches are in the dark as to what happens off the court. She never said anything because it is ingrained to show no weakness and not be a snitch. In both cases, the mothers of the two kids were worse so I agree it comes from some of the parents telling their kids their crap don't stink and do what you have to do to get the role. Thank you for sharing her experiences and I concur with what you said. I don't know that our current culture of keeping quiet is the right thing and I see why she kept quiet. Ultimately I think it's more to the benefit of the kids that get away with the bullish!t than the others and I'm not sure it helps promote team culture. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 9, 2018 17:53:26 GMT -5
I don't like the rat-snitch-don't rock the boat culture. How would inappropriate behavior ever be corrected if there's no whistleblower?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 21:28:06 GMT -5
What was the question about the four year old games? <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 877px; top: -202px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63919149"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -15px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77993203"></iframe> <iframe width="18.720000000000027" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 877px; top: -15px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_99440468"></iframe> The four-year-old games would be posting to say you are no longer posting just to try to get in the last word. Not true. I've learned in life to choose your battles and move on. The conversation for me ended when you put words in my mouth and made assumptions about my daughter when she was 4 and she is a successful woman with a great career and wonderful Wife and Mother. You just assumed that she was the one being manipulative and that is simply not the case. Are you male or female? You spoke a lot about how males make trouble for us females in the workplace and that is the reason for us being manipulative and backstabbing and that is simply false. If I have a problem with a man in the workplace including my boss...I will give him an ass chewing and put him in his place and I have no problem with that. I am a leader, not a follower and I'm proud of that. I have worked for women who held very high management positions and one of them was at Boeing. Our Senior Director was a woman and guess what? All of the men in management below her would talk behind her back and say that she wasn't qualified. Why? Because they were intimidated and pissed off because they had a woman for a boss. Not to get off topic here but what I was saying in my original post is we are all born with a competitive nature and we are born with that regardless if we are male or female. This goes back centuries and I do not need someone with a PHD who does a study to tell me that my life experiences are wrong, that is what I have to go on, its what I have experienced. It doesn't matter to me if you agree with me or not. We are all entitled to OUR opinion. This is a volleyball forum not a court of law so I am not required to provide proof of what I have lived or witnessed. Its you that has made an assumption about me, my personal life, and what I experienced at Boeing without knowing the truth. What I have experienced in my 50 years is that both males and females are competitive but for some reason, women are extremely cruel to each other and they hold grudges. Men can bitch and moan but they get over it quickly while I have found women to be more viscous. That is my personal experience and believe me it has not been pleasant at times.
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