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Post by jay on Mar 15, 2018 13:48:50 GMT -5
Are there any rumors as to who the next Chinese Superstar that plays abroad will be? Zhu seems to have found her place at vakif bank and I guess she will probably stay there for some time.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 15, 2018 14:07:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Yup, I should have mention Zeng as well, it was a total of 26 points between them, I messed up their scoring. As for Zeng, I thought she played for Beijing? I guess the Chinese league allows a player to move to a playoff team? Shanghai picked up #6 Zeng Chunlei-OP (Beijing) and #17 Yang Zhou-MB (Zhejiang). Tianjin picked up #20 Liu Xiatong-OH (Beijing) and #11 Chen Xintong-S (Beijing). Liaoning picked up #20 Liu Yanhan-OH (Bayi). Jiangsu picked up #15 Li Jing-OH (Zhejiang) and #13 Yuan Xinyue-MB (Bayi). If you ask me, Jiangsu added better players, but still weren't able to perform.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 15, 2018 14:16:35 GMT -5
True, but Hui played in the crucial moments in several clutch matches, I think that helped the team. And her experience and leadership probably helped off-court as well in terms of advice to the younger players. This year, the pressure seem to rest on Zhang Changning to lead the team. She's a great player, but probably still finding her footing in trying to set an example for the team. As captain, Zhang isn't quite there yet. Maybe in the next season or two, we'll see. Zhang Changning has fallen behind Li Yingying (Zhu junior, or as I say Zhu-nior) in the China Volleyball League's (CVL) pecking order. Zhang is taller at almost 6'5" and is very athletic, but doesn't seem to be able to improve her passing or shot placement. Maybe you and Tango are right that Hui Rongqi was more important than I've said she was. #6 Diao Linyu the setter has been making bad choices as well this season. As for #16 Gong Xiangyu, she seemed to have lost her spark. Some volleyball fans and news reports are beginning to say that Gong may have lost her opposite spot in the National Team and that Li Yingying with proper training from Lang Ping will move into that opposite role. It's definitely a long shot, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Zhu Ting, Zhang Changning, Li Yingying, and Yuan Xinyue combination.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 15, 2018 14:23:55 GMT -5
Are there any rumors as to who the next Chinese Superstar that plays abroad will be? Zhu seems to have found her place at vakif bank and I guess she will probably stay there for some time. Last summer there were rumors that an chinese player was being recruited by Pomi Casalmaggiore and everyone thought it was going to be Zhang Changning, but it was Zeng Chunlei instead. Sadly, I guess the team didn't find Zeng to play an important role on the team and decided to let her go back to China's League. From a picture I seen, a Turkish recruiter came to watch one of Li Yingying's match against Liaoning, but I doubt Tianjin will let her go. Probably in a couple years she will be ready to part ways with the team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 14:34:48 GMT -5
Zhang Changning has fallen behind Li Yingying (Zhu junior, or as I say Zhu-nior) in the China Volleyball League's (CVL) pecking order. Zhang is taller at almost 6'5" and is very athletic, but doesn't seem to be able to improve her passing or shot placement. Maybe you and Tango are right that Hui Rongqi was more important than I've said she was. #6 Diao Linyu the setter has been making bad choices as well this season. As for #16 Gong Xiangyu, she seemed to have lost her spark. Some volleyball fans and news reports are beginning to say that Gong may have lost her opposite spot in the National Team and that Li Yingying with proper training from Lang Ping will move into that opposite role. It's definitely a long shot, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Zhu Ting, Zhang Changning, Li Yingying, and Yuan Xinyue combination. How about the MVP form the U20 WCH MB Yang Hanyu?? Did she play in any club this season? I would like to see her with the senior team. edit: I just went back to read all the comments and I see that you already talked about Yang Hanyu...
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Post by StanfordFan on Mar 15, 2018 19:05:44 GMT -5
Does anyone actually know China’s rules for allowing players abroad to play? Yuan Xinyue and Zhang Changning would benefit I think. I could go and search, but just too exhausted from work.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 15, 2018 21:14:51 GMT -5
Are there any rumors as to who the next Chinese Superstar that plays abroad will be? Zhu seems to have found her place at vakif bank and I guess she will probably stay there for some time. As aloha said, Zeng did play for Pomi in Italy for a while, although I guess for whatever reason her career there didn't panned out and she later returned to Beijing. Pomi Casalmaggiore wasn't exactly having a great season in the Italian league anyway, so maybe Zeng figured herself she shouldn't be wasting her time playing for an also-ran club, even if the money was good...
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 15, 2018 21:23:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Yup, I should have mention Zeng as well, it was a total of 26 points between them, I messed up their scoring. As for Zeng, I thought she played for Beijing? I guess the Chinese league allows a player to move to a playoff team? Shanghai picked up #6 Zeng Chunlei-OP (Beijing) and #17 Yang Zhou-MB (Zhejiang). Tianjin picked up #20 Liu Xiatong-OH (Beijing) and #11 Chen Xintong-S (Beijing). Liaoning picked up #20 Liu Yanhan-OH (Bayi). Jiangsu picked up #15 Li Jing-OH (Zhejiang) and #13 Yuan Xinyue-MB (Bayi). If you ask me, Jiangsu added better players, but still weren't able to perform. Well, sometimes better players don't always panned out as hoped. Volleyball being a team sport, they have to integrate into the team quickly in order to perform at their best, and sometimes they can't gel with the rest of the team fast enough. Although in the case of Jiangsu, you could say almost half their team was on the NT, so getting into "the groove" should not have been a problem for Yuan. It was other problems, as Steve said.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 15, 2018 21:31:32 GMT -5
Does anyone actually know China’s rules for allowing players abroad to play? Yuan Xinyue and Zhang Changning would benefit I think. I could go and search, but just too exhausted from work. I think it comes down to simply whether the team wants to release their players in a lot of cases. Although China, being run as a top-down hierarchical system, the Chinese Volleyball Association, which Lang Ping now exerts a strong influence on, can decide and overrule the team in some cases, like Zhu Ting. Her original team, Henan, probably did not want her to go to Turkey, but Lang overruled the team and released her to Turkey because she thought this will help her develop more as a player.
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Post by Steve vb on Mar 15, 2018 23:37:21 GMT -5
Zhang Changning has fallen behind Li Yingying (Zhu junior, or as I say Zhu-nior) in the China Volleyball League's (CVL) pecking order. Zhang is taller at almost 6'5" and is very athletic, but doesn't seem to be able to improve her passing or shot placement. Maybe you and Tango are right that Hui Rongqi was more important than I've said she was. #6 Diao Linyu the setter has been making bad choices as well this season. As for #16 Gong Xiangyu, she seemed to have lost her spark. Some volleyball fans and news reports are beginning to say that Gong may have lost her opposite spot in the National Team and that Li Yingying with proper training from Lang Ping will move into that opposite role. It's definitely a long shot, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Zhu Ting, Zhang Changning, Li Yingying, and Yuan Xinyue combination. I completely agree that both Diao Linyu and Gong Xiangyu were not the same players this past season. Gong just didn't seem to have much energy and it's difficult for Jiangsu to have both Gong and Zhang Changning, being such erratic passers to play consistently. I also like the Zhu Ting, Zhang Changning, Li Yingying, and Yuan Xinyue combination (plus don't forget about the other MB Yan Ni). However, I prefer to see Li Yingying at OH and Zhang Changning on the right side.
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Post by Steve vb on Mar 15, 2018 23:44:59 GMT -5
For the final four, each team was allowed to draft two players from teams that had been eliminated. I see. Disappointing that Jiangsu isn't in the running, I guess Hui Ruoqi's retirement really affected them. Now, who do you want to win the championship? Tianjin or Shanghai? We have been living in Shanghai and my wife is a native of Shanghai, so I have no choice in the matter of who to root for. Plus it is easy to root for the old veterans.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 16, 2018 3:12:39 GMT -5
Does anyone actually know China’s rules for allowing players abroad to play? Yuan Xinyue and Zhang Changning would benefit I think. I could go and search, but just too exhausted from work. I think it comes down to simply whether the team wants to release their players in a lot of cases. Although China, being run as a top-down hierarchical system, the Chinese Volleyball Association, which Lang Ping now exerts a strong influence on, can decide and overrule the team in some cases, like Zhu Ting. Her original team, Henan, probably did not want her to go to Turkey, but Lang overruled the team and released her to Turkey because she thought this will help her develop more as a player. Yuan would definetly benefit and improve playing in a more competitive league. I think since she and other members of the Bayi Shenzen volleyball team are current members of the China's People's Liberation Army it wouldnt be possible for them to leave the country to play volleyball until after their active duties.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 16, 2018 3:40:39 GMT -5
#6 Diao Linyu the setter has been making bad choices as well this season. As for #16 Gong Xiangyu, she seemed to have lost her spark. Some volleyball fans and news reports are beginning to say that Gong may have lost her opposite spot in the National Team and that Li Yingying with proper training from Lang Ping will move into that opposite role. It's definitely a long shot, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Zhu Ting, Zhang Changning, Li Yingying, and Yuan Xinyue combination. I completely agree that both Diao Linyu and Gong Xiangyu were not the same players this past season. Gong just didn't seem to have much energy and it's difficult for Jiangsu to have both Gong and Zhang Changning, being such erratic passers to play consistently. I also like the Zhu Ting, Zhang Changning, Li Yingying, and Yuan Xinyue combination (plus don't forget about the other MB Yan Ni). However, I prefer to see Li Yingying at OH and Zhang Changning on the right side. Yan Ni is a great player and brings great defensive with her strong blocks! I think on another forum someone said she used to be a beach volleyball player then transitioned into indoor volleyball, though it could be wrong. Her performance in China's Super League this season with Liaoning has been hot and cold especially during the semifinals against Tianjin, I think she may be close to retirement. Lang Ping is also starting to focus on developing new middle blockers in the recent national team training. The middle blockers in the image are Yang Hanyu, Gao Yi, and Zeng Yixin.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 16, 2018 3:50:39 GMT -5
Shanghai picked up #6 Zeng Chunlei-OP (Beijing) and #17 Yang Zhou-MB (Zhejiang). Tianjin picked up #20 Liu Xiatong-OH (Beijing) and #11 Chen Xintong-S (Beijing). Liaoning picked up #20 Liu Yanhan-OH (Bayi). Jiangsu picked up #15 Li Jing-OH (Zhejiang) and #13 Yuan Xinyue-MB (Bayi). If you ask me, Jiangsu added better players, but still weren't able to perform. Well, sometimes better players don't always panned out as hoped. Volleyball being a team sport, they have to integrate into the team quickly in order to perform at their best, and sometimes they can't gel with the rest of the team fast enough. Although in the case of Jiangsu, you could say almost half their team was on the NT, so getting into "the groove" should not have been a problem for Yuan. It was other problems, as Steve said. That is true. It was probably Jiangsu's desperate last resort to try and get into the finals by adding some of best players in the league on their team. Zhang wasn't able to take leadership as captain to keep her team in rhythm. In a couple years with more maturity she will be able to be the role that Huo Rouqi played which led them to the championship win last year. Like in all sports, the best defensive is a good offense. In volleyball, in order for the team to run a good attack the reception and pass needs to be well placed otherwise problems will arise like what happened to Jiangsu.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 16, 2018 4:01:16 GMT -5
It should also be noted that Tianjin introduced a famous setter coach from Japan (Matsuda Ming Yan) to help Yao Di and the other setters training prior to the first match against Shanghai. Link for more information: www.sangbe.com/article/347511.html
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