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Post by stevehorn on Apr 23, 2019 20:43:03 GMT -5
I'm not so sure she could play 17 Open this year, but as noted by oldhead , as a senior it looks like a waiver could be granted (as it should). The younger the age group the more the age cutoff matters, but by 18's it should not make a difference if you are legitimately still in high school. I am not following. She is 3 months younger than Madison Williams who is playing on the 17U team. How could she not be eligible to play 17U. I figured playing a couple years of 18U was fairly common. I know that Callie Schwarzenbach did it. Orr and the younger Sheffield are Sophomores playing with the 18U this year - I assume they will be playing at least 2 years of 18U and possibly three if they choose not to graduate HS early to start college. I wonder if there are some regional differences on playing up. I've noticed that a number of the Midwest teams mentioned here have one and often multiple players "playing up" on their 18U team. Just from casual following the North Texas region the last few years, my recall is that few girls play up on the better teams around here and this includes many of the top prospects in the country.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 23, 2019 20:56:48 GMT -5
Okay. Williams was born 3/2001 and is on the 17 team and Wanaas was born 6/2001. How can Williams be eligible for 17U and Wanaas cannot? I don't know Williams birthday. I would be very surprised if a player her caliber was playing with a 6 month waiver since way back at (I believe) 13U. u18.girls.2017.volleyball.fivb.com/en/teams/usa-usa/players/madison-williams?id=61443this info could be wrong? Whoops - I read this wrong, looks like it is 12/3/2001 and not 3/12/2001. That makes her younger and it would appear that Wanaas was/is too old for 17U.
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Post by floridavbdad on Apr 24, 2019 5:46:49 GMT -5
I don't know much about how players translate to the top level of D1 and you mentioned how Williams doesn't necessarily shine on a very talented TAV team while Rollins did. I didn't see a lot of Williams, so I don't have a strong opinion on her, but taking your example of Williams/Rollins: Wenaas and Williams are both Juniors that play for TAV, however Wenaas plays up with the 18U and Williams plays on the 17U. Wenaas is the definition of a player that shines on a talented team. I have to think that the TAV 18U team is better than the TAV 17U team. Now Wenaas is shorter so the D1 upside of Williams may be (much) higher? Just curious... (Posting again learning to post outside of the previous posters comments) I don't know much about how players translate to the top level of D1 and you mentioned how Williams doesn't necessarily shine on a very talented TAV team while Rollins did. I didn't see a lot of Williams, so I don't have a strong opinion on her, but taking your example of Williams/Rollins: Wenaas and Williams are both Juniors that play for TAV, however Wenaas plays up with the 18U and Williams plays on the 17U. Wenaas is the definition of a player that shines on a talented team. I have to think that the TAV 18U team is better than the TAV 17U team. Now Wenaas is shorter so the D1 upside of Williams may be (much) higher? Just curious... I am pretty sure Wenaas isn't playing up, she is most likely playing in the required age group based on birth date on her profile ( and from recruiting circles). That could be an all-time great 18's Black team next year with Wenaas with the 18's group. Rollins is a very special player who has exceeded expectations in comparison to her Prep Volleyball rankings which may have been in the 30's. I think being a little undersized hurt her rankings, but hasn't hurt her level of play at the next level. Rollins is trending like she could be one of the top 2-3 OH's (hindsight 20/20) from that class. 17 Black by all accounts/ rankings is performing at a higher level than the 18 Black team which is a good team in it's on right. The 17's team is a very balanced team so it depends on which match you watch and their game plan who you could quote is "the star". Williams probably has the best combination of athleticism and power I have seen at OH position in this age group and is developing rapidly into a 6 rotation weapon. Players usually get their biggest bump in level of play under Ping. They have beaten us a few times over the past couple years and I can tell you we have to focus on slowing the 6 rotations OH's first (Williams, Flickinger) and force them to move the ball around. Iman has always had the hammer and appears to be progressing under Ping as well as L. Smith who is now being used more offensively. A Smith and even the Indiana RS (I think Savannah K). So depending on which match you watch, you may see a different standout player because they are all good. Many teams force to the ball to their "go-to" hitter repeatedly, this team under Ping appears to be taking what you give them more often than not. Getting them out of system is the only way I have seen them beaten. I was fortunate enough to watch the semi-final match against Hou Skyine and part of the LSO championship vs Top Select. Williams and Iman shined. Both Smiths have improved blocking. Off topic a little, but Top Select libero, Mckissok is a mega-star. Almost single handily willed them to victory. @mackdown What’s the story on Ping? I’ve watched him several times and I see an angry man who fusses at his player continuously. My dd’s has story’s of team weigh ins and body measurement with punishment conditioning if values are outside of ‘norms’ Haven’t seen or heard anything that I value from a coach.
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Post by DoubleOh7 on Apr 24, 2019 5:54:50 GMT -5
I am not following. She is 3 months younger than Madison Williams who is playing on the 17U team. How could she not be eligible to play 17U. I figured playing a couple years of 18U was fairly common. I know that Callie Schwarzenbach did it. Orr and the younger Sheffield are Sophomores playing with the 18U this year - I assume they will be playing at least 2 years of 18U and possibly three if they choose not to graduate HS early to start college. I wonder if there are some regional differences on playing up. I've noticed that a number of the Midwest teams mentioned here have one and often multiple players "playing up" on their 18U team. Just from casual following the North Texas region the last few years, my recall is that few girls play up on the better teams around here and this includes many of the top prospects in the country. In the Texas area, you see more kids with summer birthdays starting school later for various reasons (social, academics success, athletics success, etc) which forces them to 'play up' a year in club due to the September 1st birthday cutoff. Rarely do we see kids 'playing up' just to play up like you do in the midwest. This in turn means they will play 18s twice if they don't enroll early in college.
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Post by charger0304 on Apr 24, 2019 7:49:58 GMT -5
I wonder if there are some regional differences on playing up. I've noticed that a number of the Midwest teams mentioned here have one and often multiple players "playing up" on their 18U team. Just from casual following the North Texas region the last few years, my recall is that few girls play up on the better teams around here and this includes many of the top prospects in the country. In the Texas area, you see more kids with summer birthdays starting school later for various reasons (social, academics success, athletics success, etc) which forces them to 'play up' a year in club due to the September 1st birthday cutoff. Rarely do we see kids 'playing up' just to play up like you do in the midwest. This in turn means they will play 18s twice if they don't enroll early in college. I wouldn't categorize "playing up" as a Midwest thing by any means. Any club that does not have depth at an age group will look into pulling up kids who can hang in order to field a team. Clubs all over will have kids play up if they're a special talent: Cabello at Top Select, Blyashov at Wave, Olson at NorCal, Gomillion at Metro, etc.
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Post by huskerjen on Apr 24, 2019 8:05:07 GMT -5
In the Texas area, you see more kids with summer birthdays starting school later for various reasons (social, academics success, athletics success, etc) which forces them to 'play up' a year in club due to the September 1st birthday cutoff. Rarely do we see kids 'playing up' just to play up like you do in the midwest. This in turn means they will play 18s twice if they don't enroll early in college. I wouldn't categorize "playing up" as a Midwest thing by any means. Any club that does not have depth at an age group will look into pulling up kids who can hang in order to field a team. Clubs all over will have kids play up if they're a special talent: Cabello at Top Select, Blyashov at Wave, Olson at NorCal, Gomillion at Metro, etc. Yes, various reasons kids play up. Orr has played up two age groups for a couple years. She would qualify under the special talent category.
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Post by charger0304 on Apr 24, 2019 8:08:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't categorize "playing up" as a Midwest thing by any means. Any club that does not have depth at an age group will look into pulling up kids who can hang in order to field a team. Clubs all over will have kids play up if they're a special talent: Cabello at Top Select, Blyashov at Wave, Olson at NorCal, Gomillion at Metro, etc. Yes, various reasons kids play up. Orr has played up two age groups for a couple years. She would qualify under the special talent category. Yes! As are Miner and Williams at Mizuno Long Beach. Didn't want to include Orr in case she counts as "midwest."
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Apr 28, 2019 19:21:36 GMT -5
DeBeer. I don’t care if anyone says she is small. That kid can play. Watched her play this past weekend. Easily cruising past triple blocks. It was incredible to watch.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 29, 2019 7:29:09 GMT -5
DeBeer. I don’t care if anyone says she is small. That kid can play. Watched her play this past weekend. Easily cruising past triple blocks. It was incredible to watch. Sounds different when she’s hitting for sure.
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Post by ay2013 on May 27, 2019 13:05:48 GMT -5
Watched some of the JVA west coast cup yesterday and today. Mia Tuaninga has some HANDS!...she may be small, but boy is she a talented setter. Also, TAV 17's has come a long way in their 1st two contacts. They really do NOT have a weak rotation and Paige Flickinger may just be the most underrated 2020 player I've seen. She's a baller. TAV just worked Coast in the second set (After a very entertaining first set that could have gone either way). Coast has bad rotations with a relatively weak setter (IMO), TAV is going to win the 17 open if they keep playing like this, and I dunno if its even going to be close.
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Post by WahineFan44 on May 27, 2019 14:11:37 GMT -5
Watched some of the JVA west coast cup yesterday and today. Mia Tuaninga has some HANDS!...she may be small, but boy is she a talented setter. Also, TAV 17's has come a long way in their 1st two contacts. They really do NOT have a weak rotation and Paige Flickinger may just be the most underrated 2020 player I've seen. She's a baller. TAV just worked Coast in the second set (After a very entertaining first set that could have gone either way). Coast has bad rotations with a relatively weak setter (IMO), TAV is going to win the 17 open if they keep playing like this, and I dunno if its even going to be close. How did kate lang play for TAV?
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Post by ay2013 on May 28, 2019 0:02:27 GMT -5
Watched some of the JVA west coast cup yesterday and today. Mia Tuaninga has some HANDS!...she may be small, but boy is she a talented setter. Also, TAV 17's has come a long way in their 1st two contacts. They really do NOT have a weak rotation and Paige Flickinger may just be the most underrated 2020 player I've seen. She's a baller. TAV just worked Coast in the second set (After a very entertaining first set that could have gone either way). Coast has bad rotations with a relatively weak setter (IMO), TAV is going to win the 17 open if they keep playing like this, and I dunno if its even going to be close. How did kate lang play for TAV? I think she's a quality player. Nothing flashy....bumb set some that I think other setters could get their feet to and hand set. but that's just from video.
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Post by ay2013 on May 28, 2019 0:09:38 GMT -5
I think right now if I could craft a perfect 2020 OH it would be Skinner's (Houston Skyline) body and jump, Hamilton's (MW Sting) Passing, Endsley's (Coast) Arm, Debeer's (KIVA) serve and backcourt play
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Post by Disc808 on May 28, 2019 0:26:24 GMT -5
I think right now if I could craft a perfect 2020 OH it would be Skinner's (Houston Skyline) body and jump, Hamilton's (MW Sting) Passing, Endsley's (Coast) Arm, Debeer's (KIVA) serve and backcourt play + Landfair's height ... if only lol
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Post by ay2013 on May 28, 2019 0:31:32 GMT -5
I'll also say it again, Ndiaye is VERY good. If she isn't the highest senior ace on a very stacked TAV team, color me shocked.
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