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Post by slxpress on Jan 10, 2024 16:47:39 GMT -5
Texas has 3 of the top 10 on their roster for the coming year - all of whom transferred in. Two of the top 10 started their careers at Texas then transferred to NC State. Sounds like Texas got the better end of that deal. I don't think there's any doubt. Madisen Skinner alone is a cheat code. It's as unfair in some ways that she's playing a 5th year as it was that O'Neal had her 6th year of eligibility. I don't understand how teams are supposed to stop her next year.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 10, 2024 16:55:25 GMT -5
The 2020 class is now entering their final super senior year (except for the few still hanging around for no good reason *cough* Landfair). This was one of the last classes of the true senior aces when the coaches had legitimate input in the rankings. So what do we think? How did they do!? The top 100 is below....TAV during this time frame was stacked, but their collective overall impact on the college game seems pretty forgettable. That 17 TAV team was incredible with talent. And that didn't include Wenas who was playing up with the 18's. If I was looking at staked D1 prospects on a 17U team - I would put last year's Dynasty team with this group (although 2 of their major players will be in the 2025 class and not the 2024 class). Injuries in college played a huge impact, but crazy how many of those can't miss players on that team missed...
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 10, 2024 20:31:41 GMT -5
It would nice to see the list of the thousand or so athletes that played college volleyball. Then it would make this list look pretty good I think. Looks like a fairly good hit rate in the top 30. FWIW, these lists rarely are "misses" at the very top. The vast majority of the top 10/top 25 players end up being very good collegiate players. IMO the calculus/opinions isn't whether or not these players will be good college players, or even great college players, it's the delta between the players that get tons of hype and everyone else.
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Post by VBallLife on Jan 10, 2024 22:33:31 GMT -5
It would nice to see the list of the thousand or so athletes that played college volleyball. Then it would make this list look pretty good I think. Looks like a fairly good hit rate in the top 30. FWIW, these lists rarely are "misses" at the very top. The vast majority of the top 10/top 25 players end up being very good collegiate players. IMO the calculus/opinions isn't whether or not these players will be good college players, or even great college players, it's the delta between the players that get tons of hype and everyone else. Were coaches more invloved in the rankings during this time versus how it is now,people who like the game attaching numbers to players
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 10, 2024 22:41:20 GMT -5
It would nice to see the list of the thousand or so athletes that played college volleyball. Then it would make this list look pretty good I think. Looks like a fairly good hit rate in the top 30. FWIW, these lists rarely are "misses" at the very top. The vast majority of the top 10/top 25 players end up being very good collegiate players. IMO the calculus/opinions isn't whether or not these players will be good college players, or even great college players, it's the delta between the players that get tons of hype and everyone else. Pre pandemic I thought our hit rate was about 50%. Half played like All-Americans and half got stuck behind a better player or got hurt. To say that the success rate is much better is to give credit to the portal for allowing players to dig their way out to someplace where they can better showcase their ability.
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 11, 2024 0:17:25 GMT -5
FWIW, these lists rarely are "misses" at the very top. The vast majority of the top 10/top 25 players end up being very good collegiate players. IMO the calculus/opinions isn't whether or not these players will be good college players, or even great college players, it's the delta between the players that get tons of hype and everyone else. Pre pandemic I thought our hit rate was about 50%. Half played like All-Americans and half got stuck behind a better player or got hurt. To say that the success rate is much better is to give credit to the portal for allowing players to dig their way out to someplace where they can better showcase their ability. What is your tier cut off for hit rate of prep players to All Americans? Top 10? Top 25? By time you get to the top 25, there are just too many people. In any given year, there are at least 4 classes playing college ball, which means a top 25 senior aces ranking would mean 100 players in any given year to compete for those coveted AA spots. Then you have to contend with the 5th year seniors who were legitimate 5th year seniors (not the covid excuse), so it's more than 100 top 25 recruits in any given year playing. I don't think the "success rate" (whatever that is supposed to mean) is any better because of the new portal rules. Looking at who became All Americans of the top 10 in the 2017-2020 classes (pandemic/portal era), I don't see a better hit rate than the 4 years that preceded it.
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 12, 2024 12:12:30 GMT -5
Pre pandemic I thought our hit rate was about 50%. Half played like All-Americans and half got stuck behind a better player or got hurt. To say that the success rate is much better is to give credit to the portal for allowing players to dig their way out to someplace where they can better showcase their ability. What is your tier cut off for hit rate of prep players to All Americans? Top 10? Top 25? By time you get to the top 25, there are just too many people. In any given year, there are at least 4 classes playing college ball, which means a top 25 senior aces ranking would mean 100 players in any given year to compete for those coveted AA spots. Then you have to contend with the 5th year seniors who were legitimate 5th year seniors (not the covid excuse), so it's more than 100 top 25 recruits in any given year playing. I don't think the "success rate" (whatever that is supposed to mean) is any better because of the new portal rules. Looking at who became All Americans of the top 10 in the 2017-2020 classes (pandemic/portal era), I don't see a better hit rate than the 4 years that preceded it. If you say that now most top 25 or so players have very good careers - I'm not going to disagree with you, but that was NOT true a decade ago. A lot of them did. But some got hurt and a fair number got trapped on the bench behind other top 25ish players and now those players can go find better opportunities. Now, a Lauren Jardine is #15 to Wisconsin, see's she cannot play there and instead of fading into obscurity on the bench, she is starting for Utah. Not that they couldn't transfer before but where a Katie Kabbes at Penn State or an Orie Agbaji at Texas stayed and fought it out, it is easier for a player to move on and find opportunities to shine than it was before.
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