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Post by proudd3mommy on Feb 20, 2019 10:24:14 GMT -5
Seems to be the only statistical argument for a setter IMO. Agreed that Digs/set and Kills/set are exactly representative of a player's positional strength but assist/set seems pretty cut and dry. How are setters supposed to be judged if not Assists per Set? Seems the AVCA committee values this stat line. Only argument against assists per set is that the player actually needs to get a kill in order for the assist to count. If you are physically watching the game the setter might be setting perfect balls every time, but if nobody can kill them then how is that statistic a proper representation of their skills? Same thing goes for bad setters that set great hitters. Their assist/set numbers might be inflated due to the fact of who they are setting, not on how good their actual sets are. Ian Capp definitely passes the eye test as a top setter in the nation, as well as having extremely well rounded skills in all aspects of the game. A couple of things to note. 1 - Ian Capp is a very talented player, my comment was not meant to dispute that. A top 5 player in D3? IDK, hence my comment. 2 - This was an extremely dumb post. I'm sorry that Volleyball is a team sport but we can't just throw out random hypotheticals to justify a claim. Sure, I can see what you're trying to say but what's the point? You can make up stuff like this for any position. What if Neuman College has the best outside hitter in the country but the setter doubles every time he tries to set him? What if Adrian College has the best blocker in the nation but his team can never serve it over the net to give him a chance to block? 3 - The only reasonable argument which was brought up would be if Kean runs a 6-2, surely this diminishes your assist per set ratio. Now I haven't watched every Kean game or anything but I can't imagine this being done more than 2 or 3 times. Besides the point. Great setter, best in CVC, most likely an All-American but top 5 player in D3 not IMO.
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Post by barstoolvolleyball on Feb 20, 2019 10:53:45 GMT -5
FROM THE DESK OF BARSTOOL VOLLEYBALL GUYS WHAT DID I SAY IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR!! I WANTED THIS TO BE A FRIENDLY FORUM. WYOMINGFLAPJACK WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN, YOU FIT THE WYOMING STEREOTYPE SO WELL... DO PEOPLE EVEN LIVE IN WYOMING??? BUT THEN AGAIN I GET IT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO IN WYOMING BESIDES THROW YOUR HORSESHOES AND BE TOXIC ON THIS FORUM. YOU KNOW WHAT WYOMINGHOTCAKES, YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTH MY TIME. AND ANOTHER THING IM SORRY MY CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN I CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 11:04:22 GMT -5
FROM THE DESK OF BARSTOOL VOLLEYBALLGUYS WHAT DID I SAY IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR!! I WANTED THIS TO BE A FRIENDLY FORUM. WYOMINGFLAPJACK WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN, YOU FIT THE WYOMING STEREOTYPE SO WELL... DO PEOPLE EVEN LIVE IN WYOMING??? BUT THEN AGAIN I GET IT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO IN WYOMING BESIDES THROW YOUR HORSESHOES AND BE TOXIC ON THIS FORUM. YOU KNOW WYOMINGHOTCAKES YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTH MY TIME. AND ANOTHER THING IM SORRY MY CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN I CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I'm pretty sure Carthage Tuna is the only one around here with a desk, mister.
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Post by wyomingpancake on Feb 20, 2019 12:00:15 GMT -5
FROM THE DESK OF BARSTOOL VOLLEYBALLGUYS WHAT DID I SAY IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR!! I WANTED THIS TO BE A FRIENDLY FORUM. WYOMINGFLAPJACK WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN, YOU FIT THE WYOMING STEREOTYPE SO WELL... DO PEOPLE EVEN LIVE IN WYOMING??? BUT THEN AGAIN I GET IT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO IN WYOMING BESIDES THROW YOUR HORSESHOES AND BE TOXIC ON THIS FORUM. YOU KNOW WHAT WYOMINGHOTCAKES, YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTH MY TIME. AND ANOTHER THING IM SORRY MY CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN I CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Yeah you also said this might be the year NYU pulls its together. When in fact it was the year they truly embarrassed themselves. Moron
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Post by certifiedmilkman on Feb 20, 2019 15:19:54 GMT -5
FROM THE DESK OF BARSTOOL VOLLEYBALLGUYS WHAT DID I SAY IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR!! I WANTED THIS TO BE A FRIENDLY FORUM. WYOMINGFLAPJACK WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN, YOU FIT THE WYOMING STEREOTYPE SO WELL... DO PEOPLE EVEN LIVE IN WYOMING??? BUT THEN AGAIN I GET IT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DO IN WYOMING BESIDES THROW YOUR HORSESHOES AND BE TOXIC ON THIS FORUM. YOU KNOW WHAT WYOMINGHOTCAKES, YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTH MY TIME. AND ANOTHER THING IM SORRY MY CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN I CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Someone take away this dude's keyboard sheeeesh
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Post by jgardens on Feb 20, 2019 20:43:32 GMT -5
SUNY New Paltz beat themselves. Springfield is far from spectacular.
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Post by thehamburglar on Feb 20, 2019 20:59:26 GMT -5
Only argument against assists per set is that the player actually needs to get a kill in order for the assist to count. If you are physically watching the game the setter might be setting perfect balls every time, but if nobody can kill them then how is that statistic a proper representation of their skills? Same thing goes for bad setters that set great hitters. Their assist/set numbers might be inflated due to the fact of who they are setting, not on how good their actual sets are. Ian Capp definitely passes the eye test as a top setter in the nation, as well as having extremely well rounded skills in all aspects of the game. A couple of things to note. 1 - Ian Capp is a very talented player, my comment was not meant to dispute that. A top 5 player in D3? IDK, hence my comment. 2 - This was an extremely dumb post. I'm sorry that Volleyball is a team sport but we can't just throw out random hypotheticals to justify a claim. Sure, I can see what you're trying to say but what's the point? You can make up stuff like this for any position. What if Neuman College has the best outside hitter in the country but the setter doubles every time he tries to set him? What if Adrian College has the best blocker in the nation but his team can never serve it over the net to give him a chance to block? 3 - The only reasonable argument which was brought up would be if Kean runs a 6-2, surely this diminishes your assist per set ratio. Now I haven't watched every Kean game or anything but I can't imagine this being done more than 2 or 3 times. Besides the point. Great setter, best in CVC, most likely an All-American but top 5 player in D3 not IMO. Point of bringing hypotheticals into the conversation is to divert the ranking of players away from just statistics. I am not saying you should use hypotheticals it was just an example because stats such as assists/set or anything like that are not tell-alls in terms of a players ability. Some sort of eye test needs to be included, that is all I was trying to say.
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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Feb 21, 2019 10:17:32 GMT -5
After beating New Paltz, does springfield actually have any more difficult matches this year? It looks like a pretty soft schedule
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Post by thehamburglar on Feb 21, 2019 11:39:10 GMT -5
After beating New Paltz, does springfield actually have any more difficult matches this year? It looks like a pretty soft schedule Their future match with New Paltz is the hardest one. Looking at the ranks of teams now their future schedule is not difficult, but if you look at the rankings when the schedule was made it was not an easy schedule.
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Post by tmb on Feb 21, 2019 12:51:28 GMT -5
After beating New Paltz, does springfield actually have any more difficult matches this year? It looks like a pretty soft schedule Their future match with New Paltz is the hardest one. Looking at the ranks of teams now their future schedule is not difficult, but if you look at the rankings when the schedule was made it was not an easy schedule. at Rivier brings the DOOooon ceiling into play...
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Post by noreaster on Feb 21, 2019 13:20:59 GMT -5
After beating New Paltz, does springfield actually have any more difficult matches this year? It looks like a pretty soft schedule Careful, I went down this road last year. Springfield's independent status means they don't have to play any teams with losing records like a Bard or a Neumann. Right now, of their future opponents only Lasell has a losing record. So if every team is above .500 it isn't hard to get a .600 SOS and so long as they don't lose (not likely since they play just 4 matches vs teams that are currently ranked).
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Post by bbk on Feb 21, 2019 13:44:05 GMT -5
many of you will be very surprised by who is playing a strong schedule and who is loafing. Regional rankings come out in mid to late March.
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Feb 21, 2019 18:33:25 GMT -5
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Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Feb 21, 2019 18:33:25 GMT -5
After beating New Paltz, does springfield actually have any more difficult matches this year? It looks like a pretty soft schedule Careful, I went down this road last year. Springfield's independent status means they don't have to play any teams with losing records like a Bard or a Neumann. Right now, of their future opponents only Lasell has a losing record. So if every team is above .500 it isn't hard to get a .600 SOS and so long as they don't lose (not likely since they play just 4 matches vs teams that are currently ranked). It’s a very dangerous road so I am glad to see you not venture down that path again. Noreaster and bbk bring up great points! I especially love the point about how schedules can get tougher/easier as the year goes on. Coaches schedule these games during the previous year so it can be hard to tell who will be good in the future. For example, Springfield’s schedule includes 12 games against the Preseason Top 15+ teams.
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Feb 21, 2019 19:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by Voleibol!!!!!! on Feb 21, 2019 19:13:40 GMT -5
BenU is leading Dom 1-0 and set one. Tie score and set 2.
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Post by Voleibol!!!!!! on Feb 21, 2019 19:31:10 GMT -5
BenU is leading Dom 1-0 and set one. Tie score and set 2. BenU is leading 2-0!!!
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