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Post by bigfan on May 29, 2018 13:08:13 GMT -5
Chris paul and Houston would have won
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Post by Stanlifornia on May 29, 2018 13:17:28 GMT -5
The thing I notice about GSW is their ball movement on offence is not as good as in the past. The ball gets stuck in Durants hands too much and the others do not cut and dive like they used to. Probably cause Durant can almost always crest his own shot. Golden State is a beautiful basketball team to watch when they let the ball do the work. Agree with you on that. I think when we got Durant, we finally had a bona fide ISO player that could post-up and go one-on-one to get a bucket when we're stuck in a rut. As good as he is at that (and he's elite at it), the by-product of it is less "flow" in the offense.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 29, 2018 13:47:32 GMT -5
I'm saying he was there and could have told them to stop shooting. Maybe he did, maybe not. Maybe D'Antoni told them to keep shooting. Who knows. And by the way, the best point guard was on the other team. No, the best shooting point guard was on the other team. The best pure point guard (control tempo of game, create shots for teammates, floor general, defense, etc.) is Chris Paul. There are better guards who can score - Westbrook, or shoot - Curry, but when you put all the key attributes at a high level a coach wants in a PG, CP3 has been the standard over the last 8-10 years and probably still has one or two years left at that level. I guess this comes down to how one defines best and point guard. Either way, point guards don't win championships.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 29, 2018 15:26:53 GMT -5
Either way, point guards don't win championships. Magic Johnson might be evidence against this.
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Post by vbprisoner on May 29, 2018 15:40:47 GMT -5
Either way, point guards don't win championships. Magic Johnson might be evidence against this. Isaiah Thomas too!
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on May 29, 2018 15:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 29, 2018 16:03:08 GMT -5
Either way, point guards don't win championships. Magic Johnson might be evidence against this. Magic Johnson might be evidence against this. Isaiah Thomas too! You went back to the 1980's to make a point. Take a look at the last 25 years of NBA champions. How many won with their best player being a point guard? Define best player as you will (Curry vs Durant, Parker vs Duncan).
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 16:49:14 GMT -5
Isn't Curry a point guard? Maybe not a traditional one, but still.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 29, 2018 16:52:41 GMT -5
Isn't Curry a point guard? Maybe not a traditional one, but still. Yes he is.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 29, 2018 17:23:26 GMT -5
Even if you think Durant is now their best player, wasn't Curry their best player before they got Durant? I mean, he was the UNANIMOUS winner of the NBA MVP a few years ago.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 29, 2018 17:28:51 GMT -5
Seattle Times has a story today pointing out that the last two active players who played for the Seattle Supersonics are in the finals on opposite teams (Durant and Green).
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 29, 2018 17:35:48 GMT -5
Even if you think Durant is now their best player, wasn't Curry their best player before they got Durant? I mean, he was the UNANIMOUS winner of the NBA MVP a few years ago. Yes, although Iguodala won the Finals MVP. So over the last 25 years, you have Curry in 2015 and maybe a case for Tony Parker in 2007 or Chauncey Billups in 2004.
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Post by Northern lights on May 29, 2018 17:58:32 GMT -5
Even if you think Durant is now their best player, wasn't Curry their best player before they got Durant? I mean, he was the UNANIMOUS winner of the NBA MVP a few years ago. Yes, although Iguodala won the Finals MVP. So over the last 25 years, you have Curry in 2015 and maybe a case for Tony Parker in 2007 or Chauncey Billups in 2004. That's 3 in the last 14 years, and their are 5 positions. Mike and Kobe played the 2 and they took 11. Duncan took 5 at the 4. Bron took 3 at the 3. Great dominant players come from every position. Centre or the 5 is the position that is dying. Last big man to win a Chip for their team was Shag.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on May 29, 2018 18:35:23 GMT -5
Yes, although Iguodala won the Finals MVP. So over the last 25 years, you have Curry in 2015 and maybe a case for Tony Parker in 2007 or Chauncey Billups in 2004. That's 3 in the last 14 years, and their are 5 positions. Mike and Kobe played the 2 and they took 11. Duncan took 5 at the 4. Bron took 3 at the 3. Great dominant players come from every position. Centre or the 5 is the position that is dying. Last big man to win a Chip for their team was Shag. If the Rockets could hit 3 for 14 (much less 25) they would be in the Finals. And I think you actually made my point by naming many championships not won by PG centric teams.
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Post by Northern lights on May 29, 2018 18:36:29 GMT -5
That's 3 in the last 14 years, and their are 5 positions. Mike and Kobe played the 2 and they took 11. Duncan took 5 at the 4. Bron took 3 at the 3. Great dominant players come from every position. Centre or the 5 is the position that is dying. Last big man to win a Chip for their team was Shag. If the Rockets could hit 3 for 14 (much less 25) they would be in the Finals. And I think you actually made my point by naming many championships not won by PG centric teams. I admire your optimism.
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