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Post by JohnnyDrama on Dec 21, 2018 19:02:22 GMT -5
You mean the qualifier in their backyard that did not have any 18s divisions? To go and qualify for something that they won’t even attend because they haven’t done so in a decade? I mean both the qualifier in their backyard that was exclusively for the 18s divisions in january, as well as the general qualifier you are referring to where RB won't allow any of his 12U to 17U teams to participate, even though he doesn't coach them, there is no travel cost and the competition level is high. I get what you’re saying. And I could reverse your question and ask why the top USAV only teams don’t participate in more JVA/AAU tournamengs because those teams are strong too. They are. They created a JVA event in SoCal. SPRI won't go. They created the Preseason NIT. SPRI won't go. But you’re beating a dead horse that’s been dead horse that’s been dead for a decade. A few years ago (2016 I think) a TON of USAV only teams did both the GJNC and AAUs. But they could choose at anytime if they wanted to. No qualifier. No chasing a bid. They didn’t have to register for housing. Just show up and play. There’s also a reason AAUs in Orlando has been growing every year. Would you rather spend a week in Detroit or in Florida? (No offense to any Michigan residents) Many USAV teams go to AAUs if they are close by (OTVA) or don't have a GJNC bid. Kind of silly to complain about travel costs for tournaments from the midwest, and then go to Orlando instead of Indy or Detroit. I'm surely not here to defend stay to play. Strong teams and strong programs are always going to stick with what they’ve been doing for a long time. Parents love consistency. You know what tournaments you’re going to attend before the new year starts. You know when your season is going to end without wondering if you’re going to qualify or not. Why try to change the norm? The big lie to that argument is that SPRI abruptly stopped playing in USAV events in the past when they had been playing them for years, and clubs like KIVA and Munciana abruptly started playing in crossover events that SPRI still refuses to play in. But we all know why they stopped playing in USAV events. So any point you’re attempting to make in that sense is not contested. We all know why the JVA was started. We all know why RB doesn’t participate in USAV events. The JVA event in SoCal was started to bring the JVA to the west coast in what has always been a USAV dominated area. The JVA trying to make more money. Why fly to California when a car ride to Wisconsin or Kentucky is cheaper for everyone? The competition level in the Midwest is very strong.
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Post by n00b on Dec 21, 2018 19:52:54 GMT -5
But we all know why they stopped playing in USAV events. So any point you’re attempting to make in that sense is not contested. We all know why the JVA was started. We all know why RB doesn’t participate in USAV events. The JVA event in SoCal was started to bring the JVA to the west coast in what has always been a USAV dominated area. The JVA trying to make more money. Why fly to California when a car ride to Wisconsin or Kentucky is cheaper for everyone? The competition level in the Midwest is very strong. It really is not why the JV(D)A was started.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 21, 2018 19:56:17 GMT -5
But we all know why they stopped playing in USAV events. So any point you’re attempting to make in that sense is not contested. We all know why the JVA was started. We all know why RB doesn’t participate in USAV events. The JVA event in SoCal was started to bring the JVA to the west coast in what has always been a USAV dominated area. The JVA trying to make more money. Why fly to California when a car ride to Wisconsin or Kentucky is cheaper for everyone? The competition level in the Midwest is very strong. It really is not why the JV(D)A was started. In its evolution, the JVA has gone further and further away from it's stated goals at its founding. Some of the changes were made to assure their financial viability, not the member clubs but the organization itself. But everything that the JVA complained about with the USAV they are doing now, with just a few exceptions.
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Post by n00b on Dec 21, 2018 19:59:27 GMT -5
The big lie to that argument is that SPRI abruptly stopped playing in USAV events in the past when they had been playing them for years, and clubs like KIVA and Munciana abruptly started playing in crossover events that SPRI still refuses to play in. You're referencing exactly one crossover tournament (Triple Crown) that conflicts directly with a tournament that SPVB has operated for a long time. Again, Spri teams go to Bluegrass and JVA Worlds. Both "crossover" tournaments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 21:38:33 GMT -5
The big lie to that argument is that SPRI abruptly stopped playing in USAV events in the past when they had been playing them for years, and clubs like KIVA and Munciana abruptly started playing in crossover events that SPRI still refuses to play in. You're referencing exactly one crossover tournament (Triple Crown) that conflicts directly with a tournament that SPVB has operated for a long time. Again, Spri teams go to Bluegrass and JVA Worlds. Both "crossover" tournaments. I referenced 2, not 1. JVA West Coast Cup. At the JVA Worlds at 16U last year I count zero GJNC Open teams. That is a heck of a crossover event. The first, third and sixth place finishers at JVA Worlds were also at the Preseason NIT. Not SPRI. Yes, I understand that RB had them at home to sell his tournament so he can make more money. It's all about the good of the kids, you know. The weekend before JVA Worlds the world came to Chicago and SPRI didn't show up. 16U Open included teams who finished the season ranked #1, #2, #4, #9, #14 and #20 who all traveled to Chicago to play. I also know he doesn't want to play at Windy City because he doesn't want to give it any credibility and dilute his grip on the region. Again, it's all for the kids. It has nothing to do with maintaining his stranglehold on the region and lining his pockets.
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Post by why on Dec 22, 2018 12:13:27 GMT -5
The problem is that Rick can no longer coach in AAU, USAV or JVA so anyone who plays for SPRI will no longer be under his DIRECTION and CONTROL. Do you think...sorry I know better than asking questions. Right but the counter point is exactly what John Kessel wrote back in 2015 in that you are paying clubs for practice, not for playing. If you think that rb is not in that gym as the master coach for the older kids and has a hand in how almost every level trains and develops then you are way too naive. So going back to the point I made before, that if his teams were to ever register full USAV he could not even be in the gym. Until a rule comes about that says he can not be in his own gym then he will continue to do so and kids who believe in what he can provide will continue to train there. I don't buy that paying for practice and your coach not being allowed to attend events is the same thing. It has more to do with playing time under the same coach. It's still beyond my understanding how any parent would send a player to a club where a the director has been banned.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Dec 22, 2018 12:34:10 GMT -5
Right but the counter point is exactly what John Kessel wrote back in 2015 in that you are paying clubs for practice, not for playing. If you think that rb is not in that gym as the master coach for the older kids and has a hand in how almost every level trains and develops then you are way too naive. So going back to the point I made before, that if his teams were to ever register full USAV he could not even be in the gym. Until a rule comes about that says he can not be in his own gym then he will continue to do so and kids who believe in what he can provide will continue to train there. I don't buy that paying for practice and your coach not being allowed to attend events is the same thing. It has more to do with playing time under the same coach. It's still beyond my understanding how any parent would send a player to a club where a the director has been banned. It's a good thing that capitalism has nothing to do with your feelings. Why are you so concerned with where parents choose to send their kids. File that under the "none of your business" header.
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Post by why on Dec 22, 2018 13:25:38 GMT -5
I don't buy that paying for practice and your coach not being allowed to attend events is the same thing. It has more to do with playing time under the same coach. It's still beyond my understanding how any parent would send a player to a club where a the director has been banned. It's a good thing that capitalism has nothing to do with your feelings. Why are you so concerned with where parents choose to send their kids. File that under the "none of your business" header. Why are you so concerned with where parents choose to send their kids. It has to do with sexual abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 13:47:55 GMT -5
I don't buy that paying for practice and your coach not being allowed to attend events is the same thing. It has more to do with playing time under the same coach. It's still beyond my understanding how any parent would send a player to a club where a the director has been banned. It's a good thing that capitalism has nothing to do with your feelings. Why are you so concerned with where parents choose to send their kids. File that under the "none of your business" header. Just HILARIOUS -- Hilarious That THE Most trolling, evading, diverting, deflecting poster - one who has been repeatedly warned (AND suspended: 3 months, mags?) is Still at it: attempting to sidetrack/ lock down Another RB thread. Btw, mag nolea/ vbdiva/ notperfect/ jds et al, Cheryl, the ORIGINAL content of this thread is about testimony to the Illinois State Senate Task Force on Sexual Discrimination and Harassment Awareness and Prevention - attempting "to formulate legislation to make youth sports safer": NOT your unholy, never-ending, disingenuous pissing contest re: SPRI, GLCL & All-things-evil there in ILL, and the upper Midwest. Talk About pot-kettle/ kettle-pot.
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Post by VT Five-0 on Dec 22, 2018 15:38:29 GMT -5
dirtrider, your posts are hard enough to read with the way you structure your sentences. Take your petty arguments offline. Some of you are setting yourselves up for a long break from VT. There are about 3 of you on this thread that will be gone if you don't shape up.
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Post by why on Dec 27, 2018 18:51:35 GMT -5
The clients don’t draft the actual petition, an overworked young associate does. Then a partner half-assedly proofs it, relying on the associate for the factual statements, and informs the client it’s ready to be filed. When it comes to light that the petition had factual errors, the petition is very simply amended because a petition is used to make allegations rather than present evidence. And the partner will make the overworked associate feel like sh*t for the errors as a long-standing ritual meant to keep a certain imbalance of power in law firms between partner and associate. But it’s cute how you want to put all your eggs in this basket as a way to discredit a sexual abuse survivor. And by cute, I mean disgusting. This sounds like a very bitter former associate.. Who wouldn't be bitter if your daughter was Raped? Not to mention all of the players that came forward with the same descriptions of what happened to them while playing for Rick. This was shared earlier today. SafeSport suspends taekwondo coach who helped husband evade lifetime ban
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/12/17/taekwondo-coach-suspended-safe-sport/2338015002/
I wonder if Cheryl is on the short list of spouses being investigated by Safe Sport? It seems what this Taekwondo wife did is exactly what she is doing now.
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Post by eazy on Dec 27, 2018 21:31:25 GMT -5
This sounds like a very bitter former associate.. Who wouldn't be bitter if your daughter was Raped? Not to mention all of the players that came forward with the same descriptions of what happened to them while playing for Rick. This was shared earlier today. SafeSport suspends taekwondo coach who helped husband evade lifetime ban
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/12/17/taekwondo-coach-suspended-safe-sport/2338015002/
I wonder if Cheryl is on the short list of spouses being investigated by Safe Sport? It seems what this Taekwondo wife did is exactly what she is doing now. I'm sorry, I missed somewhere that getdug was one of the victims' parents.
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Post by why on Dec 27, 2018 23:45:55 GMT -5
Who wouldn't be bitter if your daughter was Raped? Not to mention all of the players that came forward with the same descriptions of what happened to them while playing for Rick. This was shared earlier today. SafeSport suspends taekwondo coach who helped husband evade lifetime ban
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/12/17/taekwondo-coach-suspended-safe-sport/2338015002/
I wonder if Cheryl is on the short list of spouses being investigated by Safe Sport? It seems what this Taekwondo wife did is exactly what she is doing now. I'm sorry, I missed somewhere that getdug was one of the victims' parents. The main problem is there are so many victims that it's hard to keep track. How do you think Safe Sport will rule on Cheryl allowing Rick to still coach at SPRI? All other Club Directors have removed banned coaches from coaching at any level. Rick is the only current banned coach that I am aware of that is still coaching.
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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 28, 2018 10:17:26 GMT -5
How do you think Safe Sport will rule on Cheryl allowing Rick to still coach at SPRI? All other Club Directors have removed banned coaches from coaching at any level. Rick is the only current banned coach that I am aware of that is still coaching. He is not listed as coaching on their website...
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Post by FreeBall on Dec 28, 2018 10:21:20 GMT -5
How do you think Safe Sport will rule on Cheryl allowing Rick to still coach at SPRI? All other Club Directors have removed banned coaches from coaching at any level. Rick is the only current banned coach that I am aware of that is still coaching. He is not listed as coaching on their website... "who helped husband evade lifetime ban"
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