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Post by trojansc on Jun 13, 2018 11:34:39 GMT -5
Let's face it..... this system is NOT effect for our right side attack. Ultimately, the right side hitters need more time. This system is too stressful on the setter and the right side attack. Again, we have seen this problem for 5 years now. Well, for Karch, this is his own Destiny! 😉
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Post by trollhunter on Jun 13, 2018 12:11:21 GMT -5
Let's face it..... this system is NOT effect for our right side attack. We have tall, athletic opposites who are ROUTINELY getting blocked one on one... even in system! We can blame poor setting..... we can blame the opposites for an inability to hit smart. Both of these things has some truth, but USA has not gotten solid, consistent performance from the right side for 5 years now. Let's face it..... this lightening fast/low set to the right side is hamstringing our opposites. It is magnifying and exposing their weaknesses. I think our opposites would be even MORE effective if they ran a double quick behind the setter. If beating the block is the goal, this would be a more effective attack than what they are doing now. Ultimately, the right side hitters need more time. This system is too stressful on the setter and the right side attack. Again, we have seen this problem for 5 years now. While what you've written makes sense and is probably correct, there is another point of view. Our rightsides have also struggled out of system with a higher set and more time. It may not be the setter. It may not be the system. It may just be that we have below average opposites compared to the top teams. The real solution may be to try MBH as our opposite. We then become thin at OH depth. Can any of our middles play RS?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 13, 2018 12:18:45 GMT -5
Let's face it..... this system is NOT effect for our right side attack. We have tall, athletic opposites who are ROUTINELY getting blocked one on one... even in system! We can blame poor setting..... we can blame the opposites for an inability to hit smart. Both of these things has some truth, but USA has not gotten solid, consistent performance from the right side for 5 years now. Let's face it..... this lightening fast/low set to the right side is hamstringing our opposites. It is magnifying and exposing their weaknesses. I think our opposites would be even MORE effective if they ran a double quick behind the setter. If beating the block is the goal, this would be a more effective attack than what they are doing now. Ultimately, the right side hitters need more time. This system is too stressful on the setter and the right side attack. Again, we have seen this problem for 5 years now. While what you've written makes sense and is probably correct, there is another point of view. Our rightsides have also struggled out of system with a higher set and more time. It may not be the setter. It may not be the system. It may just be that we have below average opposites compared to the top teams. The real solution may be to try MBH as our opposite. We then become thin at OH depth. Can any of our middles play RS? I think this is it. At this tempo, there's a chance the block won't be up for them to hit into.
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Post by n00b on Jun 13, 2018 12:19:23 GMT -5
Can any of our middles play RS? Are any of our middles left handed? That seems to be the only thing that matters.
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Post by BadtzMaru on Jun 13, 2018 12:33:34 GMT -5
Let's face it..... this system is NOT effect for our right side attack. Ultimately, the right side hitters need more time. This system is too stressful on the setter and the right side attack. Again, we have seen this problem for 5 years now. Well, for Karch, this is his own Destiny! 😉 Don't poke the sleeping bear!
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Post by VolleyTX on Jun 13, 2018 12:53:12 GMT -5
Let's face it..... this system is NOT effect for our right side attack. We have tall, athletic opposites who are ROUTINELY getting blocked one on one... even in system! We can blame poor setting..... we can blame the opposites for an inability to hit smart. Both of these things has some truth, but USA has not gotten solid, consistent performance from the right side for 5 years now. Let's face it..... this lightening fast/low set to the right side is hamstringing our opposites. It is magnifying and exposing their weaknesses. I think our opposites would be even MORE effective if they ran a double quick behind the setter. If beating the block is the goal, this would be a more effective attack than what they are doing now. Ultimately, the right side hitters need more time. This system is too stressful on the setter and the right side attack. Again, we have seen this problem for 5 years now. While what you've written makes sense and is probably correct, there is another point of view. Our rightsides have also struggled out of system with a higher set and more time. It may not be the setter. It may not be the system. It may just be that we have below average opposites compared to the top teams. The real solution may be to try MBH as our opposite. We then become thin at OH depth. Can any of our middles play RS? Yes, I've been struggling with the idea that our opposites may not be up to snuff, but there are several reasons that I'm not as keen on that idea any more. 1. Every opposite for the last 5 years has struggled to be consistently effective. 2. The faster sets to the left side seem to be more effective because the ball has further to travel so the player has millisecond longer to tweak her approach and see the opposing court and block. 3. The consistent one on one blocks from our opponents even when we are in system. Our opposites only have time to react to the ball. Even mediocre 5'10" attackers shouldn't be getting blocked so much one on one. Its almost as if they are swinging blind. 4. They stink at out of system balls because the tempo is SO DIFFERENT than they are normally hitting that they have having issues making the necessary adjustments. I don't know what the answer is, but I think the tempo needs to change.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jun 13, 2018 13:03:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but we did not lose because of jet lag. We lost because we sent the same players who had been playing in Asia for weeks to Argentina without any rest. We did not have to lose because of jet lag - we could have sent reinforcements, given the rest of our roster some valuable playing time, and who knows, maybe pulled out a win. There is no way "jet lag" was an unseen circumstance. But anyways, we sent our A-Team to lose to Serbia's B-team BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF JET LAG so there's really no value in analyzing this game, and now they get to beat up on South Korea and Argentina (assuming, they get over their #jetlag). I'm frustrated. I'm right there with ya man. It Sucks. I agree we should have pulled up some others from the 21 player roster. Would have been refreshing to see some new faces.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jun 13, 2018 13:27:00 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything said in the last page or so of this thread. So the Tempo works for the Outside and the pipe attack but not for the right side. I feel like the tempo could also be the problem with setters not connecting to our middles as well from what many of you have mentioned. Karch isn't likely to change the tempo unfortunately. But I am hopeful he can find a pair of opposites that CAN at least somewhat make the tempo work for them. Karsta did a decent job but also struggled some with the block when the pressure was on but has done a far better job than Murphy who by this point should have acclimated to the fast tempo. Drews is still young and hits with a ton of power and has shown some skill with some off tempo shots and finding the seams on the court.
Will someone remind me of what was wrong with the 2012 quad again? Other than losing in the final to Brazil...the squad seemed solid winning three Grand Prix titles in a row 2010-2012, 2nd at the 2011 World Cup, and 4th at the World Championships. I assume we played a different tempo under McCutcheon?
I guess I am looking for a good comparison between the London Quad and the Rio Quad and where we are at in the Tokyo Quad and hell toss in the Beijing quad under Lang Ping too. Anyone up for that task?
Sorry.......eager noob here :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 14:03:48 GMT -5
We lost....? Damn.. I didn't see that coming.. Damn Jet lag.. Jet lag? Didn't they arrive in South America on Sunday morning? And didn't Serbia fly in from the Netherlands?
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Post by Reach on Jun 13, 2018 14:16:24 GMT -5
Let's face it..... this system is NOT effect for our right side attack. We have tall, athletic opposites who are ROUTINELY getting blocked one on one... even in system! We can blame poor setting..... we can blame the opposites for an inability to hit smart. Both of these things has some truth, but USA has not gotten solid, consistent performance from the right side for 5 years now. Let's face it..... this lightening fast/low set to the right side is hamstringing our opposites. It is magnifying and exposing their weaknesses. I think our opposites would be even MORE effective if they ran a double quick behind the setter. If beating the block is the goal, this would be a more effective attack than what they are doing now. Ultimately, the right side hitters need more time. This system is too stressful on the setter and the right side attack. Again, we have seen this problem for 5 years now. Exactly, go back to 2014 when Kelly was having a lot of success routinely. The sets were higher than they are now. The margin for error is very low on there right side with those low quick sets. Especially when the setters aren't locating them consistently well.
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Post by Reach on Jun 13, 2018 14:23:27 GMT -5
We lost....? Damn.. I didn't see that coming.. Damn Jet lag.. Jet lag? Didn't they arrive in South America on Sunday morning? And didn't Serbia fly in from the Netherlands? it's probably almost double the flight time from asia to south america with connections and such like 20+ hours also more time zones. It's not easy to make that kind of adjustment for most people especially when they had been in Asia for 3 weeks or so. Meanwhile Serbia probably had a 12-13 hour flight.
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Post by akbar on Jun 13, 2018 14:35:35 GMT -5
Jet lag? Didn't they arrive in South America on Sunday morning? And didn't Serbia fly in from the Netherlands? it's probably almost double the flight time from asia to south america with connections and such like 20+ hours also more time zones. It's not easy to make that kind of adjustment for most people especially when they had been in Asia for 3 weeks or so. Meanwhile Serbia probably had a 12-13 hour flight. Didnt it take about 48 hours travel time for the womens team to arrive?
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Post by Reach on Jun 13, 2018 14:39:31 GMT -5
it's probably almost double the flight time from asia to south america with connections and such like 20+ hours also more time zones. It's not easy to make that kind of adjustment for most people especially when they had been in Asia for 3 weeks or so. Meanwhile Serbia probably had a 12-13 hour flight. Didnt it take about 48 hours travel time for the womens team to arrive? Could be with transfers and such.. getting out of Asia, unless you're in a major city would take some time. Where did they leave from in Asia? Most international flights are going to go through, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai or Seoul
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 13, 2018 14:50:12 GMT -5
The jet lag speculation is a bit exaggerated. It's not like this is the first time any of these players have flown in an airplane, whether it's Europe or Asia.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 13, 2018 14:55:13 GMT -5
But I mean, these girls are just gonna pack up and fly back to the States.. and then a few days later cross the Pacific again back to China for the Finals.
Seriously, why not let some rest up in Anaheim and give some of the next generation some reps against a Serbian B+ team that is WAY better than anybody they'd see at PanAms.
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