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Post by mapuan on Jun 18, 2018 0:50:55 GMT -5
Tell that to Lang Ping who created a system and team based on their star player... Zhu Ting.
We all know what happened to them.
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Post by vup on Jun 18, 2018 1:17:54 GMT -5
Just imagine the chemistry with Hooker back together with Larson and Foluke again. There is some great chemistry to build on there, IMO.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 18, 2018 1:36:38 GMT -5
Just imagine the chemistry with Hooker back together with Larson and Foluke again. There is some great chemistry to build on there, IMO. At this point, the only thing we CAN do is imagine
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Post by network155 on Jun 18, 2018 3:45:38 GMT -5
A National Team is not created with the best 12-14 players in the country...A national team is composed with 12-14 players that together will create the best team. Volleyball is a team sport.... Individual performances does not count in the end...Team performance does. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jun 18, 2018 4:23:30 GMT -5
A National Team is not created with the best 12-14 players in the country...A national team is composed with 12-14 players that together will create the best team. Volleyball is a team sport.... Individual performances does not count in the end...Team performance does. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Herb Brooks disagrees.
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 18, 2018 5:37:43 GMT -5
Seriously guys, give Hooker a rest. We are getting back Lowe, isn't that something to cheer about? Instead, some of you are still on the Hooker issue?! Hooker ain't coming back, deal with it. Destinee Hooker is head over heels better than Karsta Lowe. That is why we are not happy. That is not in dispute. What is the issue here is the never-ending argument over Hooker. But at some point, you have to accept reality, she is not coming back to the NT. And that is that. What is the point about beating a dead horse, it's not going to get you anywhere, is it?
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 18, 2018 5:39:55 GMT -5
A National Team is not created with the best 12-14 players in the country...A national team is composed with 12-14 players that together will create the best team. Volleyball is a team sport.... Individual performances does not count in the end...Team performance does. This is dumb af Stupidiest comment on the thread. What tangotango said is reality. You just can't see it.
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 18, 2018 5:41:16 GMT -5
A National Team is not created with the best 12-14 players in the country...A national team is composed with 12-14 players that together will create the best team. Volleyball is a team sport.... Individual performances does not count in the end...Team performance does. Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/73987/karsta-lowe?page=7#ixzz5IkiOONaTWhat a back handed swipe at Hooker. She has shown in her last three active seasons, Korea and 2 in Brazil, that she is a terrific teammate, fan favorite, and talented. Last year she was Brazil's 1st team all-league at OP. You may not like her for various reasons but please put that 8 year old saw to bed that she is a bad team mate because it is just no longer true. Anyone who even took a side-eyed look to this situation knows that at this point it's an obsession with Karch which I think leaves him and his legacy very vulnerable to a racism canard if brought forward publicly by the right people and organization. We've already have seen what the #metoo bandwagon can do. A single player does not win the championship. Volleyball is a TEAM sport. But that must be the most shocking news for you Hooker worshippers, eh?
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 18, 2018 5:41:47 GMT -5
Tell that to Lang Ping who created a system and team based on their star player... Zhu Ting. We all know what happened to them. China is more than just Zhu Ting. A lot more.
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Post by Reach on Jun 18, 2018 8:26:26 GMT -5
Tell that to Lang Ping who created a system and team based on their star player... Zhu Ting. We all know what happened to them. China is more than just Zhu Ting. A lot more. You’re right. There’s smog, rice, silent bikes and endless people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 8:50:38 GMT -5
Let`s see... Go ahead and check Brazil`s Superliga stats for the past few years and then tell me if all the league leaders in every position were and are in the National team. Do the same for Italy/Russia/China/Serbia and so on.
For example. Joyce da Silva has been one of Brazil`s best OPP for a while. She was the leading score in Turkey for 2 seasons (2016-2017). But she never got a real chance with the NT because she does not fit with their system. She`s tall and hit high balls.... that`s not how Brazil plays....so do you think she should be in the NT only because she was the best score in Turkey?? As you can see, Ze Roberto 2x OG GOLD....left her out because she does not fit with the team.
This past season the top score of regular season Bruna Honorio did not even get to play at VNL.....same goes for the best scores in the best two seasons. (Paula Porgo and Helo).
Like I said... go ahead and check the stats from other Leagues and you will find a bunch of local players leading stats that were not invited to their National Team.
In this case. Anne Mitchem should be starting right now for team USA...over Larson. Larson had a poor season with awful numbers, while Mitchem was one of the best OHs in Italy.
Adams and Robinson should not even be in the team as they spent mostly of the season on the bench. Same for M.B.H and Dixon with poor performances in the playoffs.
Lloyd won everything in her rookie year in Italy....and still never got a real chance until 2017 with with NT.... Alix was always one of the best OHs in Italy...but was never a good fit with team USA....and the list goes on and on and on....and on.
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Post by donut on Jun 18, 2018 8:59:10 GMT -5
1. I'm confused - I don't recall any "Destinee worshipping" happening on this forum for at least 6 months. What is all this blabbering about these "never-ending" conversations?
2. In a thread about AN OPPOSITE WHO LEFT GETTING REINVITED TO TRAIN, Destinee Hooker, who is an OPPOSITE WHO ~~~LEFT~~~, is a highly topical conversation.
3. I feel SO MUCH for Nicole right now. You get told that you aren't welcome on the National Team anymore, watch our opposites FLOUNDER in the VNL, and then witness a girl who decided that professional volleyball just wasn't her cup of tea get a free pass back after you COMPETED and poured all you had into the National Team for 8 frickin' years. Apparently being 100% committed to USA volleyball is second priority to taking a year break to go back to school (and having your performance fall).
4. THAT BEING SAID, Destinee is not the player she was in 2012. She's still better than Murphy or Drews though.
5. AND THAT BEING SAID, I'm hopeful (given she stays with it) that Karsta will also be better than Murphy or Drews.
and to anyone saying you can't be a "one woman team"...
Rio for Zhu Ting: vs. Brazil QTRS - 26 kills on 58 swings, twice as much as anyone else vs. Netherlands SEMIS - 31 kills on 61 swings, 2.5 times as much as anyone else vs. Serbia GOLD - 24 kills on 44 swings, twice as much as anyone else
China won Gold in Rio because of Zhu. You'd be stupid to suggest otherwise. However, I don't think we would need Destinee to be USA's Zhu-equivalent - we just need someone who can reliably score on the RS, both in-system and out-of-system. This would allow our other elite players (Larson, Foluke, Hill) to be more successful as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 8:59:58 GMT -5
Tell that to Lang Ping who created a system and team based on their star player... Zhu Ting. We all know what happened to them. TRUE.... which means China does not have the best 12-14 players in the country in their roster.... they have the best 11-13 players that best suit the system around Zhu........... And they together create the best team....
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Post by n00b on Jun 18, 2018 9:03:52 GMT -5
Tell that to Lang Ping who created a system and team based on their star player... Zhu Ting. We all know what happened to them. TRUE.... which means China does not have the best 12-14 players in the country in their roster.... they have the best 11-13 players that best suit the system around Zhu........... And they together create the best team.... So your argument is that you think Karch isn't even allowing Hooker into the gym purely based on on-court volleyball reasons?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 9:10:18 GMT -5
TRUE.... which means China does not have the best 12-14 players in the country in their roster.... they have the best 11-13 players that best suit the system around Zhu........... And they together create the best team.... So your argument is that you think Karch isn't even allowing Hooker into the gym purely based on on-court volleyball reasons? I`m not talking about Hooker....I`m generally speaking including everyone....Like I said Anne Mitchem had a better season than Larson and Robinson and she was not even invited to the NT.....same goes for Molly McCage over Adams/Dixon....and so on.....I`m not talking solely on team USA...I`m including everyone else...That`s why I gave China and Brazil`s as examples.
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