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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 18, 2018 9:11:58 GMT -5
Let`s see... Go ahead and check Brazil`s Superliga stats for the past few years and then tell me if all the league leaders in every position were and are in the National team. Do the same for Italy/Russia/China/Serbia and so on. For example. Joyce da Silva has been one of Brazil`s best OPP for a while. She was the leading score in Turkey for 2 seasons (2016-2017). But she never got a real chance with the NT because she does not fit with their system. She`s tall and hit high balls.... that`s not how Brazil plays....so do you think she should be in the NT only because she was the best score in Turkey?? As you can see, Ze Roberto 2x OG GOLD....left her out because she does not fit with the team. This past season the top score of regular season Bruna Honorio did not even get to play at VNL.....same goes for the best scores in the best two seasons. (Paula Porgo and Helo). Like I said... go ahead and check the stats from other Leagues and you will find a bunch of local players leading stats that were not invited to their National Team. In this case. Anne Mitchem should be starting right now for team USA...over Larson. Larson had a poor season with awful numbers, while Mitchem was one of the best OHs in Italy. Adams and Robinson should not even be in the team as they spent mostly of the season on the bench. Same for M.B.H and Dixon with poor performances in the playoffs. Lloyd won everything in her rookie year in Italy....and still never got a real chance until 2017 with with NT.... Alix was always one of the best OHs in Italy...but was never a good fit with team USA....and the list goes on and on and on....and on. At no point was Joycinha better than Tandara (or Sheilla while she was still making rosters). If she were as good as you claim, her time at Bursa would have gotten an offer at one of the top Turkish clubs and she wouldn't be playing in Canakkale. Bruna H is not even close to Tandara's level, and Rosamaria is just as good with much better long-term upside. You bringing up Annie MItchem proves your methodology is ridiculous when just looking at cumulative stats.
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Post by Cmd12 on Jun 18, 2018 9:27:11 GMT -5
Karch can’t possibly hate Destinee can he? Wasn’t there an article where USA volleyball said the door isn’t closed for her and there could be a possibility of a return? Karch is the one responsible for turning her into an opposite. He knows exactly what she is capable of. So I truly do wonder what is going on.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Jun 18, 2018 10:13:00 GMT -5
IMHO - Hooker not being on the NT is more than just Karch. I think some players had a part in this as well.
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Post by staticb on Jun 18, 2018 10:25:21 GMT -5
Like I said Anne Mitchem had a better season than Larson and Robinson and she was not even invited to the NT..... She wasn't invited in the initial training system out of college and I totally understand why. However, she really should be on the list on this fall and she is playing on a better Italian team this season, so we'll get to see how she can do. I don't think she should start over Hill/Larson/Bartsch, but she should definitely be ahead of Wilhite and Rolfzen at this point. Like Hill, she's a late switch to OH with a high upside. But it's been brought up that there is a whole level of "second tier" players that have proven themselves internationally that Karch is basically ignoring.
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Post by speegs13 on Jun 18, 2018 10:27:48 GMT -5
Has Lowe signed with a club yet, or is any club interested in her? (I assume she wants to get back to playing club as well...)
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 18, 2018 10:28:07 GMT -5
Rio for Zhu Ting: vs. Brazil QTRS - 26 kills on 58 swings, twice as much as anyone else vs. Netherlands SEMIS - 31 kills on 61 swings, 2.5 times as much as anyone else vs. Serbia GOLD - 24 kills on 44 swings, twice as much as anyone else China won Gold in Rio because of Zhu. You'd be stupid to suggest otherwise. However, I don't think we would need Destinee to be USA's Zhu-equivalent - we just need someone who can reliably score on the RS, both in-system and out-of-system. This would allow our other elite players (Larson, Foluke, Hill) to be more successful as well. Stupidity has no cure it seems, exhibit A: your post. People on here are now talking about Hooker again, hello, seems like some people still have trouble with reading comprehension... You think Zhu can score all those points without a good setter there? And a good libero? You really don't have a clue what you are talking about. People only focued on Zhu, they don't seem to realize she can only score so many points because the team was there to support her... People will be stupid, stubborn and fail to see reason, thanks duncaroo for your many posts of stupidity. VT won't be half as fun without you.
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Post by donut on Jun 18, 2018 11:55:33 GMT -5
Rio for Zhu Ting: vs. Brazil QTRS - 26 kills on 58 swings, twice as much as anyone else vs. Netherlands SEMIS - 31 kills on 61 swings, 2.5 times as much as anyone else vs. Serbia GOLD - 24 kills on 44 swings, twice as much as anyone else China won Gold in Rio because of Zhu. You'd be stupid to suggest otherwise. However, I don't think we would need Destinee to be USA's Zhu-equivalent - we just need someone who can reliably score on the RS, both in-system and out-of-system. This would allow our other elite players (Larson, Foluke, Hill) to be more successful as well. Stupidity has no cure it seems, exhibit A: your post. People on here are now talking about Hooker again, hello, seems like some people still have trouble with reading comprehension... You think Zhu can score all those points without a good setter there? And a good libero? You really don't have a clue what you are talking about. People only focued on Zhu, they don't seem to realize she can only score so many points because the team was there to support her... People will be stupid, stubborn and fail to see reason, thanks duncaroo for your many posts of stupidity. VT won't be half as fun without you. Really cute. Resorting directly to name-calling (when I wasn't even directly responding to you) because, again, you are unable to make a logical argument. Let's try using analytical thinking with you again. We'll call it a fun social experiment. 1) If you're going to talk about the Hooker part of my post, don't leave it off from your quote. 2) You said "never-ending" regarding the Destinee worship. It ended. For about 6 months before this thread. If you have such an issue with it, ignore it. 3) The argument here is that LP built a system around Zhu... your comments about a good setter and a good libero directly support this. However, I'm sorry, after proving she is the most dominant player in the game (see: Rio Gold, see: Vakifbank success), I honestly don't know how you could make even a semi-compelling argument that China would have won Gold without her in Rio. A good setter and good libero (thanks for literally just citing the fundamentals of volleyball as the warrant to your claim here) might have helped her hitting percentage by .100 AT MOST, but homegirl hit almost .500 throughout the final 3 rounds because of her skill, talent and athleticism. Point to one piece of evidence that proves otherwise. You can't.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 18, 2018 12:00:42 GMT -5
The iron gets hot whenever anyone brings up Destinee Hooker. So strange.
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Post by Reach on Jun 18, 2018 12:21:07 GMT -5
See, here's the thing. (A) Hooker is polarizing.
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Post by jay on Jun 18, 2018 13:04:30 GMT -5
Hooker maybe polarizing on volleytalk but when it comes to actual play for professional teams she is a great teammate, a fan-favorite and talented.
Any discussions about events that happened in 2013 are no longer relevant to who she is today except here on volleytalk and maybe in Karch's mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:11:40 GMT -5
The iron gets hot whenever anyone brings up Destinee Hooker. So strange. Gosh, I wonder why... Qwhite interesting indeed.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jun 18, 2018 14:53:12 GMT -5
I keep trying to say this is a Lowe thread, not a low thread. Can't you all make a Hooker thread for all the nonsense and stupidity? You all will surely provide us with many laughs just watching the argument about how racist the thread title might be!
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Post by Wolfgang on Jun 18, 2018 14:58:23 GMT -5
1. Why do people keep using Kiraly's first name? It seems so insulting.
2. I'm tired of the Karch Kiraly vs. USA National Team vs. Destinee Hooker discussions. Nauseating.
3. Did Karsta Lowe ever get her grad degree in architecture (whatever this means)?
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Jun 18, 2018 15:00:27 GMT -5
1. Why do people keep using Kiraly's first name? It seems so insulting. 2. I'm tired of the Karch Kiraly vs. USA National Team vs. Destinee Hooker discussions. Nauseating. 3. Did Karsta Lowe ever get her grad degree in architecture (whatever this means)? Karch prefers to be called Karch.
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Post by beachboy88 on Jun 18, 2018 15:19:53 GMT -5
1. Why do people keep using Kiraly's first name? It seems so insulting. 2. I'm tired of the Karch Kiraly vs. USA National Team vs. Destinee Hooker discussions. Nauseating. 3. Did Karsta Lowe ever get her grad degree in architecture (whatever this means)? She put the degree on hold to come back to Volleyball from USA Volleyball Article announcing her return.
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