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Post by charger0304 on May 31, 2019 13:12:32 GMT -5
To a certain extent I agree. Getting clubs to have better facilities and not slack with their level of training, treat the kids and parents right are all things that competition will help motivate clubs to do the right way. However, it also hurts in the aspect that practices are simply not as challenging when you have talent split into multiple clubs. The gaps between skill levels of anything from a 1's and 2's team to the gap between the L1 and L2 on a specific team all create bad issues IMO. Having a gym full of studs that all beat up on each other all season during practice is pretty important too. This begs a whole lot of questions, though, as every club will train differently. Do the 1s and 2s teams practice at the same time? And do their coaches collaborate during these shared practice times? How deep do you stack your 1s team vs. putting your 2s team in a competitive spot while taking into account playing time and the $$$ spent by families? Metro in DC for example has huuuuuge teams and only one national travel team per age group. I’ve been told the teams carry so many players because they can’t always find the gym space to train more than one team at a time and therefore need enough players on a team to scrimmage each other. But then playing time.....
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Post by trainermch on May 31, 2019 13:47:46 GMT -5
As an outsider looking in, it seems to me both Atlanta and Orlando have the ability to sustain top level clubs and teams. It looks like each year both A5 and OTVA expand into a new area bringing in more talent. I don't see why A5 and TK in Atlanta and OTVA and Top Select in Orlando can't both thrive. There will always be players parents who switch clubs every year looking for the "best" team or best opportunity. In the business world competition is always good for the market and the consumer. I agree with that one slight adjustment.
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Post by vballdandy on May 31, 2019 16:25:09 GMT -5
Competition has always been desired by A5, I mean they (the parents) spend tons of money to travel to get good competition, but this likely in the near term will be chalked up to wishful thinking for those invested. Many may not know, but there are nearly 40 clubs in the greater Atlanta area, many of which are on the northside of the city where A5 resides, and many of which have fine facilities. A5 currently has 9 courts in two facilities to its use, this new facility will have 5? I believe Tsunami on the southside has 7, and word is A5 is looking at something much, much bigger, but we’ll see.
Also, in the wake of the two departing coaches this season doing their best to run A5 down, A5 ends up having its most successful season to date, qualifying all of their top teams in Open in qualifiers, and winning every division at Regionals by their 2 teams (a first for A5).
Of course you never know, but several clubs have started in the same manner in Atlanta, A5 ends up prevailing every time.
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Post by stevehorn on May 31, 2019 17:00:00 GMT -5
To a certain extent I agree. Getting clubs to have better facilities and not slack with their level of training, treat the kids and parents right are all things that competition will help motivate clubs to do the right way. However, it also hurts in the aspect that practices are simply not as challenging when you have talent split into multiple clubs. The gaps between skill levels of anything from a 1's and 2's team to the gap between the L1 and L2 on a specific team all create bad issues IMO. Having a gym full of studs that all beat up on each other all season during practice is pretty important too. It doesn't hurt the quality of development in other regions to have multiple top clubs.
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Post by volleyusa on Jun 2, 2019 7:21:06 GMT -5
In North Carolina, Triangle has faced the same thing with coaches & players leaving to form “Academy”. Academy has even went as far as using the same colors as Triangle. It’ll be interesting to see how Triangle moves forward, they most definitely have the best facility in the state now and possibly the nicest, or one of the nicest on the East Coast now.
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Post by charger0304 on Jun 2, 2019 8:40:22 GMT -5
In North Carolina, Triangle has faced the same thing with coaches & players leaving to form “Academy”. Academy has even went as far as using the same colors as Triangle. It’ll be interesting to see how Triangle moves forward, they most definitely have the best facility in the state now and possibly the nicest, or one of the nicest on the East Coast now. I don’t think that’s right? I remember a family friend had a kid who used to play there and it’s founded by something like a couple guys who played on the Chinese National Team way back when?
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Post by crug68 on Jun 2, 2019 9:31:23 GMT -5
The best scenario for TK is if A5 only has two 18s teams next year. A5 has 3 17s teams this year that all received a bid for Nationals. TK only had 1 and a half 17s teams this year and neither earned a bid (TK does not have a 16s team this year). As mentioned in previous posts, TK seems to have hurt Cobb Atlanta Volleyball more than A5, probably due to their current location. The notable exception was the 18s. When TK moves, how many Cobb players will follow?
While this new coach from OTVA will be a great addition to their club, I don't see how will he get talent into the gym, considering that he is not from Atlanta. I think that Suzanne will have to continue to leverage Walton HS to establish her pipeline into TK. While they have 23 varsity players for 2019, half of them currently play for A5 with 8 of them on various 1s teams. The High School is hosting several camps for elementary and middle school kids in July. Club volleyball is a business and for TK to survive in the long term, they will need customers. Bids and recruiting help, but they need bodies to fill the gym. With the success that Walton HS has had, I think the pipeline from the school will help, but will it be enough for long term viability?
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Post by volleyusa on Jun 3, 2019 5:52:29 GMT -5
In North Carolina, Triangle has faced the same thing with coaches & players leaving to form “Academy”. Academy has even went as far as using the same colors as Triangle. It’ll be interesting to see how Triangle moves forward, they most definitely have the best facility in the state now and possibly the nicest, or one of the nicest on the East Coast now. I don’t think that’s right? I remember a family friend had a kid who used to play there and it’s founded by something like a couple guys who played on the Chinese National Team way back when? The majority of the coaches at Academy, are from Triangle. For the most part, all of the players there were on a Triangle 2 or 3 team, except for a couple that were Triangle 1 kids. I can tell you this, Academy might have the best libero in the country on their 16s team in her age group, I believe she’s a 2023 kid playing up.
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Post by n00b on Jun 3, 2019 7:51:14 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s right? I remember a family friend had a kid who used to play there and it’s founded by something like a couple guys who played on the Chinese National Team way back when? The majority of the coaches at Academy, are from Triangle. For the most part, all of the players there were on a Triangle 2 or 3 team, except for a couple that were Triangle 1 kids. I can tell you this, Academy might have the best libero in the country on their 16s team in her age group, I believe she’s a 2023 kid playing up. Getting good kids by offering them a spot on a team two age groups up is not a sustainable model.
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Post by southeastvbfan on Nov 7, 2019 9:01:24 GMT -5
A year later and I am not sure how TK is doing. I know Marc left TK and went back to A5. And almost all of the Walton girls stayed with A5 this season. TK's best player from their 15's team moved back to A5 this season. It should be interesting when all rosters are posted but it seems to me A5 still has the stronghold on Atlanta volleyball (A5 South will also have a killer 17's team this season).
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Post by ineedajob on Nov 7, 2019 10:16:36 GMT -5
In North Carolina, Triangle has faced the same thing with coaches & players leaving to form “Academy”. Academy has even went as far as using the same colors as Triangle. It’ll be interesting to see how Triangle moves forward, they most definitely have the best facility in the state now and possibly the nicest, or one of the nicest on the East Coast now. Did Academy steal the same colors from Triangle? Or did they both, coincidentally, decide to use North Carolina blue?
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Post by 642fiddi on Nov 7, 2019 10:44:46 GMT -5
To a certain extent I agree. Getting clubs to have better facilities and not slack with their level of training, treat the kids and parents right are all things that competition will help motivate clubs to do the right way. However, it also hurts in the aspect that practices are simply not as challenging when you have talent split into multiple clubs. The gaps between skill levels of anything from a 1's and 2's team to the gap between the L1 and L2 on a specific team all create bad issues IMO. Having a gym full of studs that all beat up on each other all season during practice is pretty important too. This is what happened in California. Teams get diluted. Player that would have to sit at A5 now can get a chance to play at a different club. Remember, a club exists to win,make money and further their brand ,not develop you daughter. And before you flame me, look at how many OH go to college never having passed the ball. That falls squarely on the clubs.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Nov 7, 2019 11:21:52 GMT -5
In North Carolina, Triangle has faced the same thing with coaches & players leaving to form “Academy”. Academy has even went as far as using the same colors as Triangle. It’ll be interesting to see how Triangle moves forward, they most definitely have the best facility in the state now and possibly the nicest, or one of the nicest on the East Coast now. Did Academy steal the same colors from Triangle? Or did they both, coincidentally, decide to use North Carolina blue? At least they resorted to having different names. I'm less worried about the branding of a color and more worried about name recognition and the actual logo. Would have to look at both logos and see if the logos are similar and if so then nitpicking should begin. What drives me crazy is the Chicago region is littered with 1's. One this, one that, first this, another language one. It's like y'all can't be #1, pick another name. I like unique names that make a club stick out so when you hear it you're like OOOOOOH not "wait is that……?"
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Post by crug68 on Nov 12, 2019 14:25:18 GMT -5
A year later and I am not sure how TK is doing. I know Marc left TK and went back to A5. And almost all of the Walton girls stayed with A5 this season. TK's best player from their 15's team moved back to A5 this season. It should be interesting when all rosters are posted but it seems to me A5 still has the stronghold on Atlanta volleyball (A5 South will also have a killer 17's team this season). It doesn't look like A5 is too worried about the future:
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Post by vbwanderer on Nov 14, 2019 22:02:50 GMT -5
A year later and I am not sure how TK is doing. I know Marc left TK and went back to A5. And almost all of the Walton girls stayed with A5 this season. TK's best player from their 15's team moved back to A5 this season. It should be interesting when all rosters are posted but it seems to me A5 still has the stronghold on Atlanta volleyball (A5 South will also have a killer 17's team this season). Now that tryouts are over, it definitely seems that A5 has taken all the top talent in the area. Marc did return to A5, as did the TK 15's team. TK's 17-1 team returned to Cobb. A5 has stacked teams 15-18 and it's my understanding all 1 and 2 teams in 15-18 will play Open in all qualifiers. They added a 4th 16's team and a 3rd 18's team (last year was 2). Several of the A5 South 16-1 team came to A5 to play 17's this year, as well. The talent in the club is astounding. TK has yet to release any names or teams, but the players in the Atlanta area that are known as the top talent, are all shown on the A5 rosters. Once again, A5 prevails.
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