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Post by gogophers on Dec 6, 2018 19:11:18 GMT -5
That is kind of my point. Shook is the #6 recruit on the #5 team in the country however she is being beating out by a player that was not even a prep volleyball honorable mention. I also don’t think Washington State has a top 10 recruit. I don’t know outside of the Pac-12. Stanford has 5 top 10 recruits and 2 top 25 recruits on the floor. Wisconsin has 5 top 10 recruits on the floor Nebraska, Texas same, Minnesota has 3 or 4 top 10. See a pattern here? It’s a good harbinger but not all players live up to their ranking and sometimes players slip through the cracks. Shook is setting the wrong type of team and was likely overrated. Again, prep VB can correct me, but the poll is part potential based when ranking a player. I agree with the point that Recruiting is Destiny (usually). It seems beyond obvious. Just for accuracy's sake, though: Minnesota has 2, not 3 or 4, top-10 players on the floor.
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Post by hammer on Dec 6, 2018 21:10:45 GMT -5
Stanford has 5 top 10 recruits and 2 top 25 recruits on the floor. Wisconsin has 5 top 10 recruits on the floor Nebraska, Texas same, Minnesota has 3 or 4 top 10. See a pattern here? It’s a good harbinger but not all players live up to their ranking and sometimes players slip through the cracks. Shook is setting the wrong type of team and was likely overrated. Again, prep VB can correct me, but the poll is part potential based when ranking a player. I agree with the point that Recruiting is Destiny (usually). It seems beyond obvious. Just for accuracy's sake, though: Minnesota has 2, not 3 or 4, top-10 players on the floor. Like Dunning said, "All of a sudden was a lot better coach in 2016."
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 6, 2018 21:30:19 GMT -5
I get it all I was saying was I used to get really excited or a little bummed out over a recruiting class at Colorado based off the list. That is the team I follow. I have been disappointed in some players that are on the list and I have been impressed with some players on the list. Alexia Smith #7 has been a program changer. But at the end of the day I would take Deluzio hm and Anyse Smith over Gabby Simpson #13 and Taylor Joachim #87. Obviously I have a very specific micro example but it seems like a lot of these top recruits don’t pan out like expected. I also now know more than just their volleyball ability goes into the rankings. Obviously, 2 6’4, lefty, setters that can hit looks better on paper than a 5’10 and 5’8 player. I would have thought Deluzio would have gotten points for being an all around player but it seems as if that all around game hurt her chances of being a senior ace top 100. I think the list are cool but not the end all say all like some people take them. A team like Oregon has had many many top players (senior aces) over the years and have definitely underperformed at times. I think Colorado had 1 or 2 top 100 senior aces on the team this last year and they beat an Oregon team that seems like every player on the team is a top 100 player.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 6, 2018 22:05:32 GMT -5
I get it all I was saying was I used to get really excited or a little bummed out over a recruiting class at Colorado based off the list. That is the team I follow. I have been disappointed in some players that are on the list and I have been impressed with some players on the list. Alexia Smith #7 has been a program changer. But at the end of the day I would take Deluzio hm and Anyse Smith over Gabby Simpson #13 and Taylor Joachim #87. Obviously I have a very specific micro example but it seems like a lot of these top recruits don’t pan out like expected. I also now know more than just their volleyball ability goes into the rankings. Obviously, 2 6’4, lefty, setters that can hit looks better on paper than a 5’10 and 5’8 player. I would have thought Deluzio would have gotten points for being an all around player but it seems as if that all around game hurt her chances of being a senior ace top 100. I think the list are cool but not the end all say all like some people take them. A team like Oregon has had many many top players (senior aces) over the years and have definitely underperformed at times. I think Colorado had 1 or 2 top 100 senior aces on the team this last year and they beat an Oregon team that seems like every player on the team is a top 100 player. So what is your solution? I’m hearing a lot of grumblings with the list... so what would you like changed that is within reason?
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 6, 2018 22:06:41 GMT -5
I read people say that Ashley Shook of Texas is overrated or is not in the right system... so what type of offense should she be running in order for her to be successful? What type of hitters does she need to surround herself with in order to flourish?
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Post by vballgrl on Dec 6, 2018 22:28:00 GMT -5
Wow, Florida did not get even 1 of the top 100???
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Post by bball on Dec 6, 2018 23:15:56 GMT -5
I read people say that Ashley Shook of Texas is overrated or is not in the right system... so what type of offense should she be running in order for her to be successful? What type of hitters does she need to surround herself with in order to flourish? I thought should did great with SPVB. I've been surprised by her first two season at texas. Not too sure what to pin point the problem on. Her set location is not close to where it was in club... that's just the most noticeable
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Post by secsportsfan on Dec 6, 2018 23:19:22 GMT -5
Wow, Florida did not get even 1 of the top 100??? If you’re referring to 2019’s senior aces, Florida was not in the market for picking up recruits this year. They already have a stacked roster. They did, however, pick up a transfer this year in T’ara Cesaer (2017 senior ace). So no, they did not get any recruits from the 2019 class at all. They’ll have several in the 2020 senior aces.
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Post by Reach on Dec 6, 2018 23:47:43 GMT -5
I read people say that Ashley Shook of Texas is overrated or is not in the right system... so what type of offense should she be running in order for her to be successful? What type of hitters does she need to surround herself with in order to flourish? I thought should did great with SPVB. I've been surprised by her first two season at texas. Not too sure what to pin point the problem on. Her set location is not close to where it was in club... that's just the most noticeable Passing and tempo are complete different. Everyone assumes settings high balls is easy... it’s not, especially if you’re a setter that excelled at playing fast. Maybe she looked great at spvb because she didn’t have to move as much.
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Post by ilalum92 on Dec 7, 2018 0:51:40 GMT -5
Jackie Quade, who could easily be a first time AA this year, was ranked #63 in Sr. Aces
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Post by trojansc on Dec 7, 2018 1:10:27 GMT -5
I thought should did great with SPVB. I've been surprised by her first two season at texas. Not too sure what to pin point the problem on. Her set location is not close to where it was in club... that's just the most noticeable Passing and tempo are complete different. Everyone assumes settings high balls is easy... it’s not, especially if you’re a setter that excelled at playing fast. Maybe she looked great at spvb because she didn’t have to move as much. This one set the high ball better than anyone else . . .
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 7, 2018 8:31:47 GMT -5
Here is a list of the final 16 teams and the # of T10 - T25 - T50 - T100 senior aces on the roster. Senior Aces like any kind of recruiting projection is not going to be perfect. There are going to be some misses and maybe some large misses. But for the most part, the rankings are very good and the correlation between the schools success and the quality of the senior aces ranks is pretty darn high.
Stanford - 2 - 6 -8 - 8 Washington State - 0 - 0 -0 - 3 Penn State - 2 - 5 -8 - 11 Washington - 0 - 3 -5 - 10 BYU - 1 - 2 -3 - 7 Florida - 3 - 6 -10 - 12 Texas - 6 - 7 -8 - 10 Michigan - 0 - 0 -6 - 9 Minnesota - 2 - 6 -7 - 9 Oregon - 1 - 6 -9 - 12 Kentucky - 2 - 3 -6 - 9 Nebraska - 5 - 8 -9 - 10 Illinois - 2 - 2 -4 - 6 Marquette - 0 - 0 -3 - 7 Wisconsin - 5 - 8 -10 - 11 San Diego - 0 - 0 -0 - 3
All the top teams in terms of senior aces are left in the tournament with the exception of USC & UCLA. Purdue is possibly in the discussion of the top 16, but clearly on the lower end. Washington State and San Diego are the outliers - not sure that anyone really considers San Diego a T20 team and Washington State is on the low end if in the T20. Although Marquette isn't 'loaded' with senior aces, they do have their share of a team that is potentially in the top 25-30 range - pretty close to their actual performance for the year.
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Post by coloradokidd on Dec 7, 2018 9:09:14 GMT -5
I like to use Prep Volleyball's 'prospect' listing - as it a more accurate(thorough) list from the recruiting perspective. Say - for Nebraska: 1 - 2 - 4 - 9 - 10 - 12 - 21 - 24 - 34 - 55
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Post by chisovnik on Dec 7, 2018 12:48:45 GMT -5
Go Card! No matter what some posters would say, Stanford is reloading with some pretty good players. I have projected Kipp and Baird to be in the top 5, Xu in the top 10 and Vicini in the top 20. No. 71 Berty was named CA State Player of the year! KIPP was all-State 2nd team. Xu wasn't listed (maybe due to her injury.) Perhaps JT should do a re-ranking top SA 100 again to reflect after their senior year. I don't think Berty should be no. 71. She should be in the top 10. Sorry, but disagree strongly here. She’s not on the same level as the other girls.
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Post by Word on Dec 7, 2018 14:10:41 GMT -5
Go Card! No matter what some posters would say, Stanford is reloading with some pretty good players. I have projected Kipp and Baird to be in the top 5, Xu in the top 10 and Vicini in the top 20. No. 71 Berty was named CA State Player of the year! KIPP was all-State 2nd team. Xu wasn't listed (maybe due to her injury.) Perhaps JT should do a re-ranking top SA 100 again to reflect after their senior year. I don't think Berty should be no. 71. She should be in the top 10. While I'm a big Berty fan, she is not top 10 at all. I think 71 is a little low, as I believe she's as good as Wilhite is who was low 30's. 40/50's better range for both I would say. Stanford is getting a great class and Berty will have trouble finding the floor with their depth at OH, but that's a helluva backup OH you have ready to go in case someone gets hurt.
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