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Post by vup on Jan 20, 2019 7:08:57 GMT -5
9-4 Vakif
Mola Fener
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Post by jay on Jan 20, 2019 7:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2019 7:29:07 GMT -5
Go Vakifbank.
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Post by jay on Jan 20, 2019 7:34:23 GMT -5
Zhu blocked twice at 23-20 does not despair and does what she does best, finishes with final point. Vakif 25-23. Rasic does not play in Turkish league due to foreigner rule but starts in CL.
Zhu 17, sloetjes 14, Krob 11
Vargas 19, Bricio 13, Mrs. guidetti 9
Fener is close but not quite deep enough. Next big Turkish match Vakif vs ECZ and we still have CL Italian vs Turkish matches coming up although this year no free viewing for CL.
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Post by vup on Jan 20, 2019 7:35:01 GMT -5
Sets 2 and 3 were very close at the end.
Vargas and Bricio very good, but maybe carry too much weight
Vakif solid at every position
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2019 8:33:03 GMT -5
Sets 2 and 3 were very close at the end. Vargas and Bricio very good, but maybe carry too much weight Vakif solid at every position Zhu the clutch player.
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Post by vup on Jan 20, 2019 9:04:19 GMT -5
Sets 2 and 3 were very close at the end. Vargas and Bricio very good, but maybe carry too much weight Vakif solid at every position Zhu the clutch player. Not sure what Vakif would be without her. 2x time reigning CL Champ, 2x reigning CWC Champ, 2x reigning CWC MVP, 1x CL MVP, 2016 Olympic MVP and reigning Olympic Champion Probably the best player in the world right now
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2019 20:15:19 GMT -5
Not sure what Vakif would be without her. 2x time reigning CL Champ, 2x reigning CWC Champ, 2x reigning CWC MVP, 1x CL MVP, 2016 Olympic MVP and reigning Olympic Champion Probably the best player in the world right now Vakif should be nervous. I'm hearing rumours from my sources that the Chinese want Zhu back in China next season to train for the Olympics. Besides, Henan, her original home team, is down in the dumps without her, so that will want their "loan player" back. We'll see if these rumours panned out or not. But Vakifbank better have a back-up plan in case Zhu needs to go back to China.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 20, 2019 20:30:05 GMT -5
Not sure what Vakif would be without her. 2x time reigning CL Champ, 2x reigning CWC Champ, 2x reigning CWC MVP, 1x CL MVP, 2016 Olympic MVP and reigning Olympic Champion Probably the best player in the world right now Vakif should be nervous. I'm hearing rumours from my sources that the Chinese want Zhu back in China next season to train for the Olympics. Besides, Henan, her original home team, is down in the dumps without her, so that will want their "loan player" back. We'll see if these rumours panned out or not. But Vakifbank better have a back-up plan in case Zhu needs to go back to China. Why would she even consider going back to China? She won't develop anymore as a player there. Is she on loan from Henan? I am curious how this is all structured? If I were her I would either stay in Turkey or go to Italy and play. Anywhere that will pay her what she deserves. She is the best player in the world right now, at least in the medal/awards hardware department. Hell I'll bet JLP would even advise her against coming back to China to play in the domestic league.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2019 20:59:19 GMT -5
Vakif should be nervous. I'm hearing rumours from my sources that the Chinese want Zhu back in China next season to train for the Olympics. Besides, Henan, her original home team, is down in the dumps without her, so that will want their "loan player" back. We'll see if these rumours panned out or not. But Vakifbank better have a back-up plan in case Zhu needs to go back to China. Why would she even consider going back to China? She won't develop anymore as a player there. Is she on loan from Henan? I am curious how this is all structured? If I were her I would either stay in Turkey or go to Italy and play. Anywhere that will pay her what she deserves. She is the best player in the world right now, at least in the medal/awards hardware department. Hell I'll bet JLP would even advise her against coming back to China to play in the domestic league. No one said she wants to go back to China. It is more a case of being ordered to return to China. You are forgetting the nature of the Chinese system, the sports regime, like the government, is authoritarian. It is not always up to what the individual player want. It is what is in the interest of the country as a whole that matters. It was Lang Ping who had the influence (or power) to "persuade" Henan to loan out Zhu in the first place, because that serves national interest by allowing Zhu to develop further as a player. If China thinks Zhu can better serve the national interest by returning home now, then that is what will be decided, not what Zhu herself thinks. China may well think Zhu has enough development time overseas and it's time to return home and teach what she learnt overseas to her domestic teammates and staff. In any case, the bottom line is that while there may be the occasional exception, sports authorities call the shots in China in many cases, not the athlete.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 20, 2019 21:35:32 GMT -5
Why would she even consider going back to China? She won't develop anymore as a player there. Is she on loan from Henan? I am curious how this is all structured? If I were her I would either stay in Turkey or go to Italy and play. Anywhere that will pay her what she deserves. She is the best player in the world right now, at least in the medal/awards hardware department. Hell I'll bet JLP would even advise her against coming back to China to play in the domestic league. No one said she wants to go back to China. It is more a case of being ordered to return to China. You are forgetting the nature of the Chinese system, the sports regime, like the government, is authoritarian. It is not always up to what the individual player want. It what is in the interest of the country as a whole that matters. It was Lang Ping who had the influence (or power) to "persuade" Henan to loan out Zhu in the first place, because that serves national interest by allowing Zhu to develop further as a player. If China thinks Zhu can better serve the national interest by returning home now, then that is what will be decided, not what Zhu herself thinks. China may well think Zhu has enough development time overseas and it's time to return home and teach what she learnt overseas to her domestic teammates and staff. In any case, the bottom line is that while there may be the occasional exception, sports authorities call the shots in China in many cases, not the athlete. Thanks for clarifying :-). That is a garbage rule and system of government. But it is what it is.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2019 21:57:10 GMT -5
No one said she wants to go back to China. It is more a case of being ordered to return to China. You are forgetting the nature of the Chinese system, the sports regime, like the government, is authoritarian. It is not always up to what the individual player want. It what is in the interest of the country as a whole that matters. It was Lang Ping who had the influence (or power) to "persuade" Henan to loan out Zhu in the first place, because that serves national interest by allowing Zhu to develop further as a player. If China thinks Zhu can better serve the national interest by returning home now, then that is what will be decided, not what Zhu herself thinks. China may well think Zhu has enough development time overseas and it's time to return home and teach what she learnt overseas to her domestic teammates and staff. In any case, the bottom line is that while there may be the occasional exception, sports authorities call the shots in China in many cases, not the athlete. Thanks for clarifying :-). That is a garbage rule and system of government. But it is what it is. And remember, Zhu could only go overseas in the first place because Lang Ping had the power to do so. She can call the shots. If it was any other coach, Zhu may well be stuck back in Henan. There is an exception I can think of, Zhang Changning. She started her career playing beach, as instructed by the authorities. But she decided she did not want to remain a beach volleyball player and wanted to go indoor. As a result, she was banned by the sport authorities and Zhang was staring at the end of her athlete career. But then fate decided to intervene on her behalf. Her home team Jiangsu was suffering from poor results and there was a big backlash from Chinese fans who were angered that such a promising player got railroaded by small-minded bureaucrats. So under public pressure, the authorities relented and and allowed Zhang to play for Jiangsu. Turned out that was for the best, as Zhang went on to win a World Cup in 2015, the Olympics in 2016 and the World Grand Champions Cup in 2017. Of course, it also helped that Zhang's family was no ordinary family. Zhang came from a volleyball family with strong pedigree. Her brother plays on the men team. Her father was a former NT player and her mother was also a volleyball coach. They probably knew how to play the bureaucratic games behind-the-scenes to help their daughter.
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Post by vup on Jan 20, 2019 22:10:32 GMT -5
Are these “sports authorities” identifiable to any degree?
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 20, 2019 22:21:46 GMT -5
Are these “sports authorities” identifiable to any degree? That would be the national and provincial sport bureaus and their associated volleyball departments to be precise. If you watched those Chinese league games, you will notice a section of the stand filled with late middle-aged to early old age group of (mostly) men, dressed in shirts and dark or grey jackets. Those are the officials from the bureaus. Like this photo. Notice there is a central section in the stand separated from the rest? There are desks and bigger seats and some seemingly non-descript officials sitting there? Those are the bureaucrats: These people: Or these:
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Post by vup on Jan 20, 2019 22:33:47 GMT -5
That's a little mind-blowing to me. I can't imagine the government having authority in sports. How strange.
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