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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 12:03:33 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, wasn't she national high school senior of the year also? If you are seriously trying to claim there was very little development for Vansant between freshman and senior year in college, you must not have been watching. I'm not saying she didn't improve, I'm just saying that I'm more impressed with the improvements of McPearson, Bajema and Niece. And by no means am I dissing a coach of JMacs stature, I'm more, as a major critic of Cook, laying on praise for what Cook has done with his own recruits.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 31, 2019 12:06:25 GMT -5
You're wrong (IMO, of course), but I guess I'm going to put it down to a "more recently seen example" cognitive bias and move on.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 12:25:47 GMT -5
You're wrong (IMO, of course), but I guess I'm going to put it down to a "more recently seen example" cognitive bias and move on. That could be and I do want to emphasis Cook's contribution to the players development and de-emphasis any slight on JMac contributions.
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Post by DaDawgFather on Jul 31, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -5
You're wrong (IMO, of course), but I guess I'm going to put it down to a "more recently seen example" cognitive bias and move on. That could be and I do want to emphasis Cook's contribution to the players development and de-emphasis any slight on JMac contributions. Well I hope this development you're seeing reverses a negative trend over the last 3 - 4 years. What I see is gradual year over year decline in offensive performance and at the same time an increase our opponents offensive performance. So not so surprising is the decline in year end record. I would be curious to see how this is getting addressed.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 31, 2019 13:09:15 GMT -5
That could be and I do want to emphasis Cook's contribution to the players development and de-emphasis any slight on JMac contributions. Well I hope this development you're seeing reverses a negative trend over the last 3 - 4 years. What I see is gradual year over year decline in offensive performance and at the same time an increase our opponents offensive performance. So not so surprising is the decline in year end record. I would be curious to see how this is getting addressed. I seem to remember some (relatively) pretty lean years for a while under McLaughlin between the Thompson (et al.) years and the Vansant (et al.) years.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 13:30:58 GMT -5
That could be and I do want to emphasis Cook's contribution to the players development and de-emphasis any slight on JMac contributions. Well I hope this development you're seeing reverses a negative trend over the last 3 - 4 years. What I see is gradual year over year decline in offensive performance and at the same time an increase our opponents offensive performance. So not so surprising is the decline in year end record. I would be curious to see how this is getting addressed. Overall coaching, recruiting, team depth and team competitiveness could be entire different thread. I'm strictly referring to how Cook's first class has shaped up. I would have never anticipated Niece and Bajema being key contributors to a National team when they first arrived. I also think McPearson could be first team Pac if it wasn't for all-americans Hentz and Nunniveller (sp?). I thought we were doomed after Cassie graduated.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 31, 2019 14:24:35 GMT -5
Well I hope this development you're seeing reverses a negative trend over the last 3 - 4 years. What I see is gradual year over year decline in offensive performance and at the same time an increase our opponents offensive performance. So not so surprising is the decline in year end record. I would be curious to see how this is getting addressed. Overall coaching, recruiting, team depth and team competitiveness could be entire different thread. I'm strictly referring to how Cook's first class has shaped up. I would have never anticipated Niece and Bajema being key contributors to a National team when they first arrived. I also think McPearson could be first team Pac if it wasn't for all-americans Hentz and Nunniveller (sp?). I thought we were doomed after Cassie graduated. Niece and Bajema were JMac recruits...and so was McPherson for that matter. I think McPherson made a solid stride from her sophomore to junior year, but she's nowhere near the level of Hentz and Nuneviller is also a level above her, despite being two years younger.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 31, 2019 14:53:04 GMT -5
That could be and I do want to emphasis Cook's contribution to the players development and de-emphasis any slight on JMac contributions. Well I hope this development you're seeing reverses a negative trend over the last 3 - 4 years. What I see is gradual year over year decline in offensive performance and at the same time an increase our opponents offensive performance. So not so surprising is the decline in year end record. I would be curious to see how this is getting addressed. I generally tend to agree. The offensive potency took a hit post the Morrison era and didn't pick back up until the Vansant years. In between those Washington had some success, but I think it was a bit more to do with the rest of the conference being down, especially in 2009. In 2015 we had enough passing and offense running through the middle to mitigate the loss on the pins, but since then it's been a decline into a sweet 16 caliber team rather than an elite 8/final four caliber team. There are a lot of things to point to for the decline, but I think the reality is that many of the teams we are losing to either have better players at their respective positions or the players are about the same, so then it comes down to experience and chemistry and in game tactics etc. I don't see that changing this upcoming year re the quality of Washington's players versus our competition overall, but I am hoping that experience and chemistry can win us far more matches than we did the last few years. There are some specific pieces to Washington's overall 5-1 that I think can really help elevate the team to a few more wins this year. The first is the offensive production of our middles. Sure, there are other elements that go into this (passing, setting quality), but getting the middles more looks is going to be key. The second is our DS making an impact. I've said this before but Washington really hasn't had a DS that actually added to the game since Megan Mcafee. We need our DS to be value added to the team for those 3 rotations. Washington REALLY could have used Lauren Barnes in this respect.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 16:46:27 GMT -5
Overall coaching, recruiting, team depth and team competitiveness could be entire different thread. I'm strictly referring to how Cook's first class has shaped up. I would have never anticipated Niece and Bajema being key contributors to a National team when they first arrived. I also think McPearson could be first team Pac if it wasn't for all-americans Hentz and Nunniveller (sp?). I thought we were doomed after Cassie graduated. Niece and Bajema were JMac recruits...and so was McPherson for that matter. I think McPherson made a solid stride from her sophomore to junior year, but she's nowhere near the level of Hentz and Nuneviller is also a level above her, despite being two years younger. JMac may have initially recruited them but Cook took over head coach at the start of 2015 so he must have signed them, and the threesome's freshmen year was 2016 which tells me Cook is the only head coach to groom them while at the U. And of course McPherson is not at the same level as Hentz and Nuneviller, I never said they were at the same level, but minus those two, IMO, McPherson would be in the discussion for all pac.
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Post by Fight On! on Jul 31, 2019 17:23:32 GMT -5
Niece and Bajema were JMac recruits...and so was McPherson for that matter. I think McPherson made a solid stride from her sophomore to junior year, but she's nowhere near the level of Hentz and Nuneviller is also a level above her, despite being two years younger. JMac may have initially recruited them but Cook took over head coach at the start of 2015 so he must have signed them, and the threesome's freshmen year was 2016 which tells me Cook is the only head coach to groom them while at the U. And of course McPherson is not at the same level as Hentz and Nuneviller, I never saiyd they were at the same level, but minus those two, IMO, McPherson would be in the discussion for all pac. Are your Shayne’s Mom? Garrick, 4.83 DPS McPherson, 4.06 DPS DPS isn’t the be all and end all of libero stats, but Garrick wasn’t even all that good. McP isn’t strong among Pac libs. Last year she was 9th among libs in DPS.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 17:41:54 GMT -5
JMac may have initially recruited them but Cook took over head coach at the start of 2015 so he must have signed them, and the threesome's freshmen year was 2016 which tells me Cook is the only head coach to groom them while at the U. And of course McPherson is not at the same level as Hentz and Nuneviller, I never saiyd they were at the same level, but minus those two, IMO, McPherson would be in the discussion for all pac. Are your Shayne’s Mom? Garrick, 4.83 DPS McPherson, 4.06 DPS DPS isn’t the be all and end all of libero stats, but Garrick wasn’t even all that good. McP isn’t strong among Pac libs. Last year she was 9th among libs in DPS. Season DPS is one metric. Her play in the tourney last year against Creighton and PSU, I thought, was stellar. She got an award for beach defense this past spring, but I can't seem to find it. I'll keep looking. And here is a link to Cook signing the 3: gohuskies.com/news/2015/11/14/210496998.aspxI just took a look at the Creighton and PSU stats and saw she had a 5 DPS average. Not bad given the arms that were thrown at her for those two matches. Huh Mrs Garrick.
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Post by Fight On! on Jul 31, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -5
Are your Shayne’s Mom? Garrick, 4.83 DPS McPherson, 4.06 DPS DPS isn’t the be all and end all of libero stats, but Garrick wasn’t even all that good. McP isn’t strong among Pac libs. Last year she was 9th among libs in DPS. Season DPS is one metric. Her play in the tourney last year against Creighton and PSU, I thought, was stellar. She got an award for beach defense this past spring, but I can't seem to find it. I'll keep looking. And here is a link to Cook signing the 3: gohuskies.com/news/2015/11/14/210496998.aspxI just took a look at the Creighton and PSU stats and saw she had a 5 DPS average. Not bad given the arms that were thrown at her for those two matches. Huh Mrs Garrick. So you want to award her a 1st Team Pac for 2 post season matches?
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 18:07:16 GMT -5
Season DPS is one metric. Her play in the tourney last year against Creighton and PSU, I thought, was stellar. She got an award for beach defense this past spring, but I can't seem to find it. I'll keep looking. And here is a link to Cook signing the 3: gohuskies.com/news/2015/11/14/210496998.aspxI just took a look at the Creighton and PSU stats and saw she had a 5 DPS average. Not bad given the arms that were thrown at her for those two matches. Huh Mrs Garrick. So you want to award her a 1st Team Pac for 2 post season matches? No, I'm just saying she has been playing her best ball during her most recent play and I'm hopeful the trend continues. And I never said she will win a pac award.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 31, 2019 18:19:13 GMT -5
Niece and Bajema were JMac recruits...and so was McPherson for that matter. I think McPherson made a solid stride from her sophomore to junior year, but she's nowhere near the level of Hentz and Nuneviller is also a level above her, despite being two years younger. JMac may have initially recruited them but Cook took over head coach at the start of 2015 so he must have signed them, and the threesome's freshmen year was 2016 which tells me Cook is the only head coach to groom them while at the U. And of course McPherson is not at the same level as Hentz and Nuneviller, I never said they were at the same level, but minus those two, IMO, McPherson would be in the discussion for all pac. Disclaimer- my responses to you in no way reflect any ill will, we are just discussing volleyball. Re the recruiting, I'm just saying that this was NOT Cook's first class. Re Mcpherson, you can surely play hypothetical, but the reality is that you are essentially arguing that if it weren't for other, better players in the conference, someone else would be on the list, or at least in discussion. To that, I say, well duh. Subjectively, in a draft of Pac-12 libero's last year, I think Mcpherson goes around 6th.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jul 31, 2019 18:26:44 GMT -5
JMac may have initially recruited them but Cook took over head coach at the start of 2015 so he must have signed them, and the threesome's freshmen year was 2016 which tells me Cook is the only head coach to groom them while at the U. And of course McPherson is not at the same level as Hentz and Nuneviller, I never said they were at the same level, but minus those two, IMO, McPherson would be in the discussion for all pac. Disclaimer- my responses to you in no way reflect any ill will, we are just discussing volleyball. Re the recruiting, I'm just saying that this was NOT Cook's first class. Re Mcpherson, you can surely play hypothetical, but the reality is that you are essentially arguing that if it weren't for other, better players in the conference, someone else would be on the list, or at least in discussion. To that, I say, well duh. Your right, I think DJ was the first class, but she was solo and not much of a "class". And that first class is always difficult to muster when a coach has announced he is leaving, especially someone of JMacs caliber. And I remember JMac specifically recruiting DJ but not so with this 3. I think DJ was dropped by UCLA at the last minute and she was all that JMac could muster on his way out the door. Also, if the "weren't for other"s were anybody but probably the two best liberos in college ball I would agree. But those two are on a different level than most in the country let alone the pac. Besides, it's only my rules that matter!
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