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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 12:28:04 GMT -5
I am willing to bet neither Plummer nor Hentz will be in Tokyo. They graduate in may... March has shown is disapproval with Hentzs style. Now, with reps in the gym I’m sure they can certainly come along to be starters in years after... but , looking at everything it seems 2020 is unlikely. I’m not sure if anyone besides Logan Tom has played in the olympics just a year out of college. Also, Plummer would have to miss her last st Ford beach season and the avp beach season. Maloney is done with volleyball. I am from Louisville and know many connections to her. Players who played in the NCAA this season that could make Tokyo in my opinion are maybe Foecke and poulter. also I am going to disclose I am a Stanford fan so don’t take what I said as a bash on the players !! Logan and Ogonna Nnamani both played in Olympic Games while in college. And Keba Phipps, who never played college volleyball, was at the 1988 Olympics in South Korea at age 17.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 10, 2019 13:31:17 GMT -5
Right now 18 year old Vinícius is the best player on Real Madrid which won Champions League the past three years. Real joy to watch and football fortunately doesn't have the stupid idea of "too young to compete" so prevalent on this board.
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Post by northwoods on Jan 10, 2019 13:33:31 GMT -5
Out of a 12 person roster you should be able to fill those last 1-2 spots with young players you know would benefit from experiencing an Olympic Games so they are that much more comfortable next go around. Those last 2 spots shouldn’t see much PT, but if you took Plummer & Rettke they could definitely bring some blocking prowess & a few big swings in a spot that calls for it...
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 10, 2019 13:42:18 GMT -5
Out of a 12 person roster you should be able to fill those last 1-2 spots with young players you know would benefit from experiencing an Olympic Games so they are that much more comfortable next go around. Those last 2 spots shouldn’t see much PT, but if you took Plummer & Rettke they could definitely bring some blocking prowess & a few big swings in a spot that calls for it... 14 players for the VNL so you’d think there’d be a ton of room for development talent there.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Jan 10, 2019 13:44:02 GMT -5
The last 1 or 2 spots are reserved for the cheerleader(s) northwoods. That was CT's whole job in Rio.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 10, 2019 14:01:49 GMT -5
Out of a 12 person roster you should be able to fill those last 1-2 spots with young players you know would benefit from experiencing an Olympic Games so they are that much more comfortable next go around. Those last 2 spots shouldn’t see much PT, but if you took Plummer & Rettke they could definitely bring some blocking prowess & a few big swings in a spot that calls for it... 14 players for the VNL so you’d think there’d be a ton of room for development talent there. We're filled with developing talent...Hancock, Lloyd, Lowe, Murphy, Drews, all our liberos...they're just not developing enough to be consistently effective.
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Post by kokyu on Jan 10, 2019 14:10:28 GMT -5
14 players for the VNL so you’d think there’d be a ton of room for development talent there. We're filled with developing talent...Hancock, Lloyd, Lowe, Murphy, Drews, all our liberos...they're just not developing enough to be consistently effective. You think Lloyd will develop when she hits 31? Pray you were trolling.
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Post by n00b on Jan 10, 2019 14:22:41 GMT -5
Out of a 12 person roster you should be able to fill those last 1-2 spots with young players you know would benefit from experiencing an Olympic Games so they are that much more comfortable next go around. Those last 2 spots shouldn’t see much PT, but if you took Plummer & Rettke they could definitely bring some blocking prowess & a few big swings in a spot that calls for it... I disagree. 12 is a pretty limited roster. If you're doing the double sub, that uses 9 players per set. Definitely need a backup OH and a backup MB. So maybe that would leave you with one roster spot to play around with as a developmental spot. But the reality is that with a 12-person roster almost every person included is one sprained ankle from starting.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 10, 2019 14:35:11 GMT -5
14 players for the VNL so you’d think there’d be a ton of room for development talent there. We're filled with developing talent...Hancock, Lloyd, Lowe, Murphy, Drews, all our liberos...they're just not developing enough to be consistently effective. I wouldn’t call Lloyd developing talent..... she’s a vet. Hancock yes. Murphy has been around as well. Developing talent would be more geared towards Carlini, ajanaku, lee, alhassan, rolfzens, tapps, etc.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 10, 2019 15:12:11 GMT -5
We're filled with developing talent...Hancock, Lloyd, Lowe, Murphy, Drews, all our liberos...they're just not developing enough to be consistently effective. I wouldn’t call Lloyd developing talent..... she’s a vet. Hancock yes. Murphy has been around as well. Developing talent would be more geared towards Carlini, ajanaku, lee, alhassan, rolfzens, tapps, etc. You're missing my point. Those players I listed may very well be veterans, but they still have room for development (and likely are not going to develop any further). It was a criticism of the talent of those listed in that they're wildly inconsistent and/or not on par with those at their positions on other top teams (see my All-Villain team title).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 17:02:48 GMT -5
What are people's thoughts on the major competitions having a 14 player roster, while the Olympics is still 12. Is there a reason the Olympics hasn't followed suit? It would be beneficial to all teams, but where we are talking about the USA here, it would have surely helped them in 2016. They could have had Hodge as an additional OH and Fawcett as an OPP/OH - not just alternates. In 2020, it could allow the coaching staff to invest in a couple younger players, since we seem to see the same 12-14 players, who at the moment, don't seem like they're going to get the job done.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 17:10:04 GMT -5
What are people's thoughts on the major competitions having a 14 player roster, while the Olympics is still 12. Is there a reason the Olympics hasn't followed suit? It would be beneficial to all teams, but where we are talking about the USA here, it would have surely helped them in 2016. They could have had Hodge as an additional OH and Fawcett as an OPP/OH - not just alternates. In 2020, it could allow the coaching stuff to invest in a couple younger players, since we seem to see the same 12-14 players, who at the moment, don't seem like they're going to get the job done. I don't see it changing for several reasons. The format at the Olympics requires no travel and provides at least one day of rest in between matches, putting less physical stress on players than other tournaments. In addition, adding two more players per team in the Olympic Village is actually a big deal.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 10, 2019 18:52:12 GMT -5
If anything it could potentially downsize further. We are already seeing that in other team sports like Gymnastics go from 7 back in the 90's to only 4 in 2020. This is even scarier because the sport is even harder on the body than volleyball in my opinion. I doubt it will ever get up to 14 players. I would like to see 14 as it allows each team to take 4 middles and 4 outside hitters/passers. With the 12 player limit it really is a full team effort. I think that is what the IOC deems appropriate.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 10, 2019 18:53:50 GMT -5
Can someone clarify the reasons/effectiveness of taking 4 Outside hitters as opposed to 4 Middles? Is there a strategy? Which position would you take more of and why?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:12:09 GMT -5
Can someone clarify the reasons/effectiveness of taking 4 Outside hitters as opposed to 4 Middles? Is there a strategy? Which position would you take more of and why? If it were my team (high school and club), I would take four OH's instead of four MB's every time because ideally my OH's would be able to contribute in many more ways than the MB's could. They could be serving subs for MB's, they could replace their own positions of course, and even the OPP if need be, play back row for whoever, etc.
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