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Post by hornshouse23 on Aug 12, 2019 13:19:59 GMT -5
As a manager, I’ve had that ‘here’s where we are’ conversation with employees. It usually starts with ‘where do you think you stand?’ And most people are able to talk themselves into leaving if it ends up being the right choice mutually. If that talk came after the VNL finals roster was released, then great- an appropriate response to an honest assessment of where she stood.
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Post by dunninla3 on Aug 12, 2019 21:24:50 GMT -5
Eight years late but better than never. Are you always this miserable or is it something you decid to turn on and off? no dog in this fight... but the whole point of internet discussion boards is to tell the unvarnished truth as we see it. Having read about 9 million comments that more diplomatically say the exact same thing, what's the problem? There is nothing personal in kokyu's statement. I thought the Laker's should have cut loose of Kobe when he was about 32. In general I think high profile, top of their game athletes should be cut loose about five years before teams actually do it. Caught lots of flak from family, friends, etc. for that opinion, and it wasn't personal to kobe... only about the relative value of a fading star in comparison to the huge salary that could be going to more effective nascent stars.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 12, 2019 23:28:26 GMT -5
Well when it's time to go, you can either do it gracefully or do it...less gracefully. I guess she took the first option. Walking out mid-tourney is gracefully? Hate to see what the alternative is. Screaming match with the coach and saying bad things about your fellow teammates for a start.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Aug 13, 2019 0:04:36 GMT -5
Are you always this miserable or is it something you decid to turn on and off? no dog in this fight... but the whole point of internet discussion boards is to tell the unvarnished truth as we see it. Having read about 9 million comments that more diplomatically say the exact same thing, what's the problem? There is nothing personal in kokyu's statement. I thought the Laker's should have cut loose of Kobe when he was about 32. In general I think high profile, top of their game athletes should be cut loose about five years before teams actually do it. Caught lots of flak from family, friends, etc. for that opinion, and it wasn't personal to kobe... only about the relative value of a fading star in comparison to the huge salary that could be going to more effective nascent stars. There’s no fight, there’s just a pattern by certain posters to always post negative things, with nothing ever being productive. Post whatever your heart desires, I don’t care. But just like they’re allowed to critique the athletes, fellow posters can critique those repeated (and repeated and repeated) negative comments.
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Post by kokyu on Aug 13, 2019 0:19:49 GMT -5
Posting the truth in a time of universal illusion is a revolutionary act and will always be met with pavlovian resistance.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 13, 2019 1:32:14 GMT -5
As a manager, I’ve had that ‘here’s where we are’ conversation with employees. It usually starts with ‘where do you think you stand?’ And most people are able to talk themselves into leaving if it ends up being the right choice mutually. If that y’all came after the VNL finals roster was released, then great- an appropriate response to an honest assessment of where she stood. When you've had the opportunity to have the talk with the Manager who had the "here's where we are" conversation, you will be in a better position to assess. A decision by someone to leave is by no means a sure indicator that it was the "right choice mutually."
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 13, 2019 8:28:09 GMT -5
Walking out mid-tourney is gracefully? Hate to see what the alternative is. Screaming match with the coach and saying bad things about your fellow teammates for a start. Well I guess that's worse, but I'm not sure walking out on teammates midtourney resembles anything but bad form.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 11:39:39 GMT -5
Why would team USA ask Lloyd and Gibby to leave when they could easily keep and send them with Lowe,Hancock and Adams to play Pan American Cup? If they wanted to stay that's what they should/would have done.
Do u guys really think Lowe, Hancock and Adams were happy playing Pan Am? They only reason they did is because they are still contenders for Tokyo as members of B team.
Now they are left with 3 setters, and what happens if 2 gets injured? (or pregnant) This is exactly what happened with Korea.
Even though Lloyd has been playing horribly, I have no doubt they would rather have her as the 4th option over SSS.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 13, 2019 12:23:58 GMT -5
Why would team USA ask Lloyd and Gibby to leave when they could easily keep and send them with Lowe,Hancock and Adams to play Pan American Cup? If they wanted to stay that's what they should/would have done. Do u guys really think Lowe, Hancock and Adams were happy playing Pan Am? They only reason they did is because they are still contenders for Tokyo as members of B team. Now they are left with 3 setters, and what happens if 2 gets injured? (or pregnant) This is exactly what happened with Korea. Even though Lloyd has been playing horribly, I have no doubt they would rather have her as the 4th option over SSS. This. And we have two very promising, but young, setters leading a team that went to 5 against Bulgaria in the qualifier. And our first setter is going to go set Moonballs in Moscow--a very different style-- and then return with really limited opportunities after the pro season and before the Olympics for the National Team to play together. As bad as Lloyd was playing recently (and I'm sure she knew it), it made much more sense to have tried to leave the door open in case of an eventuality.
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Post by dunninla3 on Aug 13, 2019 15:37:20 GMT -5
I mostly watch Beach, but have also watched a few hundred indoor matches over the past ten years.
I have some free time this week, so on to youtube to watch the hightlights of the USA matches in VNL.
Here are a few observations, and of course I welcome responses about where I'm blind/nuts, etc.
Setter: Carlini appeared to put up the most accurate sets, and was the best blocker of the group. I reallly didn't see any diffreence between Lloyd and Hancock. Quite a few bad placements when they had all day to get it done. Poulter.. seemed good also, but lacks a little length in comparison to Carlini.
Opposite: I liked Drews best, followed by Thompson. I am a big Karsta Lowe fan from when she carried UCLA almost single handedly for a couple of years, but she seemed a little out of sync vs. Turkey, and lacking dynamics, in her comeback right now. Played fine vs. the weak Thailand. Maybe its a question of reps and time, but with Drews and Thompson, not sure there is any reason to suit up Lowe except as a backup in case of injury.
Outside: I like Foecke's spirit, but I was honestly taken aback by how little footspeed she has, and that is of course related to an almost non-existent vertical. Unless she is a phenomenal passer, which I couldn't tell from the matches I saw other than she's probably better than Bartsch-Hackley, not sure what her future is for the team. Liked Thompson also on the left when she had a chance to hit there. Bartsch-Hackley other than serve receive was effective. I like Larsen's sharp angle, and intelligence, and serve receive/defense, no as much overall offensive effectiveness. Robinson seems to have great all around skill. Would be a great Beach player. She might be fast enough to play Libero, can't really tell, plus I'd need to know how good a setter she is.
Middle: don't know why but I'm not that knowlegeable about the middle position... Ogbagu seemed a lot quicker than Washington is all I really noticed.
Libero: Courtney seemed fine. Robinson seemed fine. Don't know why in a couple of games Bartsch-Hackley and Foecke were playing Libero. Lake seemed quicker than Courtney. None of them seemed paticularly quick. Can't really tell leadership qualities watching on TV. Can anyone tell me why Karch seems to favor very tall Liberos? Is there some advantage to the Libero having height? It seems to me quickness, nails passing, setting effectiveness, and competitive fire/leadership should be the defining attribuites of a Libero... and a converted Outside wouldn't likely be great at a couple of those attributes.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 14, 2019 3:45:48 GMT -5
Screaming match with the coach and saying bad things about your fellow teammates for a start. Well I guess that's worse, but I'm not sure walking out on teammates midtourney resembles anything but bad form. Shrugs, I've seen worse. Maybe I have just gotten more cynical as I gets older. I don't know, but it doesn't see to seem to bother me as much.
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 14, 2019 0:13:00 GMT -5
Chiaka was on USA story in a 6 on 6 drill. So I guess she's not off the nt?
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 14, 2019 0:21:09 GMT -5
Chiaka was on USA story in a 6 on 6 drill. So I guess she's not off the nt? You do realize there was literally a USA volleyball match today, right?
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Post by ToddyJ on Sept 14, 2019 0:24:07 GMT -5
Chiaka was on USA story in a 6 on 6 drill. So I guess she's not off the nt? She started tonight vs. Kenya at the World Cup. She went 8 of 9 on attack with 4 blocks. Poulter and her have a lovely connection. :-) I'm glad she is back!
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 14, 2019 23:40:01 GMT -5
Chiaka was on USA story in a 6 on 6 drill. So I guess she's not off the nt? You do realize there was literally a USA volleyball match today, right? Sorry, I didn't know. I only watch Vnl world champs and olympics. No one said anything here so I didn't know if most people knew. Sorry I guess
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