trojansc
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Post by trojansc on Mar 12, 2019 14:36:39 GMT -5
+ the only players really in consideration for PanAm roster spots are Tita Akiu, Samantha Selinger-Swenson, Mikaela Foecke and Tionna Williams. Highly doubt anyone else will be allowed to skip NCAA training in August. Pan Am Cup is in July. Pan Am Games end August 11th, right around the first day of college practice. The Pan Am Games coincide with Olympic Qualification Tournaments. Really poor scheduling. I imagine Brazil and Dominican Republic will send their B squads to the Pan Am Games. For DR that is a huge drop off in talent. USA, Puerto Rico and Canada will also probably follow suit? That will result in the least competitive Pan Am Games, ever.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 12, 2019 17:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 18:11:44 GMT -5
25/26 year old called "rising star"?....Okkkk
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Post by northwoods on Mar 12, 2019 18:21:16 GMT -5
25/26 year old called "rising star"?....Okkkk That was my take away....the rest 19,19, 22, 23 all with a ton of experience on their national teams already.
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Post by donut on Mar 12, 2019 19:06:07 GMT -5
Would’ve been more interesting to see Ogbogu or Poulter highlighted. How was Drews’ pro season? She hit .227 on the year in the Turkish League for BEYLİKDÜZÜ (sorry for caps but had to copy that name). For comparison, Vargas for Fenerbahce hit .338, Rykhliuk for Beskitas hit .280, Lonneke for Vakif hit .345 and Boskovic hit .331 for Eczacibasi. So not great compared to the other elite Opposites in the Turkish League. She did play more sets than almost anyone. If they were going to choose a young player from Beylikduzu, hell, I think they should have chosen Hunter. Of the starting primary setters in the league, she set her team to the 4th highest hitting percentage, despite her team being close to 8th in the standings.
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Post by alohavball on Mar 12, 2019 19:15:45 GMT -5
Would’ve been more interesting to see Ogbogu or Poulter highlighted. How was Drews’ pro season? I think the list was based off of last years VNL performances for rookies and relatively new faces. Ogbogu and Poulter are still new and have yet to make their mark with the NT, though I hope both will be in the roster for this years competition. Last I checked Drews performance in Turkey is ok, nothing really that stands out.
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Post by ericleo on Mar 12, 2019 20:40:28 GMT -5
25/26 year old called "rising star"?....Okkkk American players are always late-bloomers (given that they do bloom sometime in their careers) since they generally need to finish their college before having any international/professional experience. So, if you put Celeste Plak who is actually way more experienced than Drews at International/professional competitions, I don't think Drews disqualify.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 12, 2019 20:42:14 GMT -5
Glad to see more athletes of color get invitations to train though. That’s really the only real significant step forward here; they’re finally creeping toward 50%. It's always good to have more diversity on the team. But your implication is problematic, are you saying the USWNT discriminates on the basis of race in their selection of players?! That is just the whole nonsense about "Karch-is-racist" jab again. Disagree with Karch's coaching decision all you like, but to say he is a racist because of that is a step too far, indicating something is seriously wrong with the poster.
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Post by ericleo on Mar 12, 2019 20:45:01 GMT -5
Would’ve been more interesting to see Ogbogu or Poulter highlighted. How was Drews’ pro season? If I were to choose, I would definitely pick Ogbogu or Poulter over Drews. She could be a very good player in the future, but I don't see her potential to become one of the top players at her position, especially now you have Boskovic, Egnou, Haak, Vargas, etc, who all are amazingly young and talented. Actually if I remember correctly, I think Lee has better offense stats than Drews, and Lee also has to pass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 20:58:59 GMT -5
25/26 year old called "rising star"?....Okkkk American players are always late-bloomers (given that they do bloom sometime in their careers) since they generally need to finish their college before having any international/professional experience. So, if you put Celeste Plak who is actually way more experienced than Drews at International/professional competitions, I don't think Drews disqualify. But you need to include their 4 years in college as part of their careers. For example, a lot of these players will join a pro club but they will spend their first few years on the bench and get very little playing time and only become a stater later on by that time they are already 21 or so. Only a very few become a starter right away. How many games a player will play during her 4 years in college? 120-150?...how many games has Sylla and Plak played in the past 4 years with their pro team? I really don`t know what that number might be, but I don`t think it comes close to 120-150.
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Post by ericleo on Mar 12, 2019 21:31:36 GMT -5
American players are always late-bloomers (given that they do bloom sometime in their careers) since they generally need to finish their college before having any international/professional experience. So, if you put Celeste Plak who is actually way more experienced than Drews at International/professional competitions, I don't think Drews disqualify. But you need to include their 4 years in college as part of their careers. For example, a lot of these players will join a pro club but they will spend their first few years on the bench and get very little playing time and only become a stater later on by that time they are already 21 or so. Only a very few become a starter right away. How many games a player will play during her 4 years in college? 120-150?...how many games has Sylla and Plak played in the past 4 years with their pro team? I really don`t know what that number might be, but I don`t think it comes close to 120-150. It's not about the number of games that they played, it's about the level of competition that they play. Professional and international volleyball are a much higher level than NCAA college volleyball. Being restricted to play in low-level games at the age of 18-22 significantly constrains the development of the players. This basically explains why most top NCAA graduates usually struggle during their first two to three professional seasons. Even if a player needs to start from the bench, like when Malinov was at Imoco, Skorupa started over her most of the time, but you got to observe and receive guidance by great and experienced players, that's a valuable lesson you never learn at college. Anyway, my point is, quality matters more than quantity. Everything has good and bad sides. Even though I really like the vibe of college volleyball, NCAA does make the adjustment from being college player to a professional player harder than you'd expect.
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Post by vbct3 on Mar 12, 2019 22:40:17 GMT -5
American players are always late-bloomers (given that they do bloom sometime in their careers) since they generally need to finish their college before having any international/professional experience. So, if you put Celeste Plak who is actually way more experienced than Drews at International/professional competitions, I don't think Drews disqualify. But you need to include their 4 years in college as part of their careers. For example, a lot of these players will join a pro club but they will spend their first few years on the bench and get very little playing time and only become a stater later on by that time they are already 21 or so. Only a very few become a starter right away. How many games a player will play during her 4 years in college? 120-150?...how many games has Sylla and Plak played in the past 4 years with their pro team? I really don`t know what that number might be, but I don`t think it comes close to 120-150. Nobody cares about NCAA overseas. Most people have no idea what it is. The FIVB put out the press release and selected the up and comers out of VNL competition, for athletes with less time playing in international competition.
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Post by jay on Mar 13, 2019 0:56:15 GMT -5
Taylor Agost, Oregon, is playing just as well for Aachen, fifth place team in the German league, as Drews is playing for Bestikas, the 5th place team in the Turkish league. Unfortunately she's right handed. Hopefully she gets picked up by Volero and is converted to an OH as she has tremendous athletiscm and was late to volleyball.
If you enjoy the overseas pro-life there are many opportunities to play for those who will never see the USNT gym. It's clear that in the Karch era talent was not necessarily the first ingredient that he looked at when choosing players. She is blond though but who am I to suggest that Karch might have a certain proclivity for players of his favored ethnic group.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 6:49:33 GMT -5
Taylor Agost, Oregon, is playing just as well for Aachen, fifth place team in the German league, as Drews is playing for Bestikas, the 5th place team in the Turkish league. She`s not. She even lost her starting spot for a while...and if u consider the level of German League, this tells you she`s not a good player. Of course Volero or any good team in any good league would sign her. You are confusing Drews with Olesia.
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Post by chicagosports on Mar 13, 2019 12:15:07 GMT -5
Glad to see more athletes of color get invitations to train though. That’s really the only real significant step forward here; they’re finally creeping toward 50%. It's always good to have more diversity on the team. But your implication is problematic, are you saying the USWNT discriminates on the basis of race in their selection of players?! That is just the whole nonsense about "Karch-is-racist" jab again. Disagree with Karch's coaching decision all you like, but to say he is a racist because of that is a step too far, indicating something is seriously wrong with the poster. The poster never said he was racist, and is not wrong in pointing out that the team has essentially been a group of almost all white girls. Considering the talent level and physicality of black athletes in the sport, one should definitely be questioning how they somehow aren't appearing on national teams (and even further, tend to be limited to 'MB' roles across the sport, in general.)
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