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Post by trianglevolleyball on Apr 9, 2019 16:29:20 GMT -5
Tokyo is next year and after that, some of the veterans on team will ride off into the sunset. So, what is your speculation on the post-Tokyo NT roster? I would love to see a total refresh after Tokyo. Bye to Larson, Foluke, Gibbemeyer, Lloyd, Murphy, Hill, Drews and Adam. I guess even Lowe, Bartsch Hackley and Dixon, although I love all their prowess. if the latter two make olympic rosters, I would be satisfied and ready to move on. I'd love to see some current stars in the USA gym vying for a olympic spot OH: Mckaela Foecke, Kathryn Plummer, Roni Jones Perry, Jacqueline Quade, Wilhite-Parsons, Yossiana Pressley, Leah Edmond, and Adora Anae. MB: Chiaka Ogbogu, Lauren Stivrins, Dana Rettke, Ronika Stone, Rhamat Alhassan, Shelly Fanning (Rachel Kramer, Gneiting/Eschenberg, Brionne Butler)* * because last season, I thought Kramer was god awful and the others have an entire collegiate career to grow yet. OPP: Danielle Cuttino, Brittany Abercrombie, Stephanie Samedy, Willow Johnson (for his leftie brigade), Taylor Bannister and Jordan Thompson* *I'm super curious how she really works and performs against competition, love to see her play in Big10. S: SSS, Jordyn Poulter, Hancock, Lilley, Hunter L: Mary Lake, Kendal White, and Morgan Hentz Could be missing a few that I overthought but. So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. Veterans are important! They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. There’s no reason to put all of our resources into the.
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 9, 2019 16:43:46 GMT -5
This thread is tired. We know little, we've opined a lot. This thread is in the same place it started. Off season sucks.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 9, 2019 16:47:29 GMT -5
I would love to see a total refresh after Tokyo. Bye to Larson, Foluke, Gibbemeyer, Lloyd, Murphy, Hill, Drews and Adam. I guess even Lowe, Bartsch Hackley and Dixon, although I love all their prowess. if the latter two make olympic rosters, I would be satisfied and ready to move on. I'd love to see some current stars in the USA gym vying for a olympic spot OH: Mckaela Foecke, Kathryn Plummer, Roni Jones Perry, Jacqueline Quade, Wilhite-Parsons, Yossiana Pressley, Leah Edmond, and Adora Anae. MB: Chiaka Ogbogu, Lauren Stivrins, Dana Rettke, Ronika Stone, Rhamat Alhassan, Shelly Fanning (Rachel Kramer, Gneiting/Eschenberg, Brionne Butler)* * because last season, I thought Kramer was god awful and the others have an entire collegiate career to grow yet. OPP: Danielle Cuttino, Brittany Abercrombie, Stephanie Samedy, Willow Johnson (for his leftie brigade), Taylor Bannister and Jordan Thompson* *I'm super curious how she really works and performs against competition, love to see her play in Big10. S: SSS, Jordyn Poulter, Hancock, Lilley, Hunter L: Mary Lake, Kendal White, and Morgan Hentz Could be missing a few that I overthought but. So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. Veterans are important! They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. There’s no reason to put all of our resources into the. Yeah, the college game is weaker, but those players from a decade ago are getting old. We are going to have a painful transition and are at risk of losing for a few years regardless, simply because we haven't really integrated the best players from the interim generations who have either quit or haven't been a "fit" for the team or system (but let's not get into that......) at basically every position - but particularly on the pins (the most important ones). The players we are integrating right now are players like Bartsch (who just turned 29) or Lowe - who lost really valuable development opportunities on "sabbatical" - and I'm not sure are going to be in position to bridge he gap to the next generation smoothly. It also doesn't appear like anybody at the S or L positions is the answer either, and we're only looking to bring in players there out of absolute necessity. At middle we have good depth, but there's also been a decided lack of turnover despite our current group aging or dropping level - maybe Ogbogu can be the player this summer to reverse that trend. Foecke and Plummer and whoever else comes out of college in the next year or two is basically going to have to be dominant from the get-go, or Team USA is going to take a big step back. On the plus side, this will probably force us to be more flexible in terms of system, which can only be a good thing.
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Post by kokyu on Apr 9, 2019 18:53:15 GMT -5
Is Karch staying after Tokyo?
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 9, 2019 19:12:25 GMT -5
Is Karch staying after Tokyo? If he can lead the team to Gold probably. I don’t see that happening. But....stranger things have occurred at the games.
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Post by abcd098 on Apr 9, 2019 19:23:14 GMT -5
Anyone know who the new players are training in Anaheim? I saw on Instagram that Holly Toliver is training (another lefty opposite for Karch). She posted something with SSS. I’m wondering who else is there.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Apr 9, 2019 21:43:23 GMT -5
So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. Veterans are important! They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. There’s no reason to put all of our resources into the. Yeah, the college game is weaker, but those players from a decade ago are getting old. We are going to have a painful transition and are at risk of losing for a few years regardless, simply because we haven't really integrated the best players from the interim generations who have either quit or haven't been a "fit" for the team or system (but let's not get into that......) at basically every position - but particularly on the pins (the most important ones). The players we are integrating right now are players like Bartsch (who just turned 29) or Lowe - who lost really valuable development opportunities on "sabbatical" - and I'm not sure are going to be in position to bridge he gap to the next generation smoothly. It also doesn't appear like anybody at the S or L positions is the answer either, and we're only looking to bring in players there out of absolute necessity. At middle we have good depth, but there's also been a decided lack of turnover despite our current group aging or dropping level - maybe Ogbogu can be the player this summer to reverse that trend. Foecke and Plummer and whoever else comes out of college in the next year or two is basically going to have to be dominant from the get-go, or Team USA is going to take a big step back. On the plus side, this will probably force us to be more flexible in terms of system, which can only be a good thing. I mean, I wasn’t arguing to keep riding the golden generation til they’re in wheelchairs. I’d imagine Larson and Akinradewo retire after Tokyo of their own volition. If Bartsch or Hill want to stay in the gym, you keep them in the gym until at least WCH 2022. Lowe most certainly needs to stay in the gym, she’s still in her mid-20’s. Lloyd hopefully sees the writing on the wall if she has another season like this, but unless Poulter has an incredible debut this summer, Carlini and Hancock need to be in the gym even if it means changing the system. Middles will work themselves out. I get the fear that our players our aging and that the status quo hasn’t been working, but we will still have world class players in 2021, and just because starting afresh worked once (with a really unique and talent crop of players) does not mean it’s an effective strategy to find our next Egonu/Boskovic/Ting.
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Post by jay on Apr 9, 2019 22:10:26 GMT -5
I think you meant to say our next Hooker since we had that player and she only saw one Olympics where we placed silver. Hill has already stated publicly that she would like to try for the 2024 Oly's in beach. She won the inaugural beach NCAA national championship with Steve Nash's current wife and was an all American in both indoor and beach that same year.
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Post by yupyupyup on Apr 9, 2019 22:20:28 GMT -5
When we say it’s not working, are we just referencing the 2018 world championships? The US was completely outmatched by the top teams. But, keep perspective the US was a couple points away from a gold medal match in Rio and won gold in 2014. True, we’re missing a go to player like Egonu, Boskovic, and Zhu. Hooker should of been included in 2016 as she was that player then. Club and college system may be to blame for that by placing athletic athletes into the middle position rather than exploring pins. The only potentials I see could possibly be Lowe (too error prone) and Plummer, and I don’t see any indication that she get a chance to compete for a spot. I really like Poulter. She seems to elevate every team she’s on.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 9, 2019 22:32:54 GMT -5
I can’t wait for some of the vets to retire lol. I like them but the nt starting lineup has barley shifted in 5 years. I want to see 2024 be the era of Plummer, ajanaku, poulter/carlini/ hentz/ rettke/ stivrins/ Ogbogu/ Foecke / Lowe/ etc.
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Post by ericleo on Apr 9, 2019 22:49:25 GMT -5
What worries very much is the libero position. Benson is not doing well at Dresden this season, and I kinda give up on JWO already. Is Kelsey stuck at libero on NT? She is a very good defensive OH at clubs. I really can't wait to see some REAL good liberos who not only swell in NCAA but also on the international stage.
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Apr 10, 2019 7:22:23 GMT -5
What worries very much is the libero position. Benson is not doing well at Dresden this season, and I kinda give up on JWO already. Is Kelsey stuck at libero on NT? She is a very good defensive OH at clubs. I really can't wait to see some REAL good liberos who not only swell in NCAA but also on the international stage. Karch seems down on her sometimes, but I don't know how Hentz doesn't get a look at. She'd outplay Robinson now, but I don't think she'll have an opportunity for 2020 unfortunately.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 10, 2019 7:27:01 GMT -5
I would love to see a total refresh after Tokyo. Bye to Larson, Foluke, Gibbemeyer, Lloyd, Murphy, Hill, Drews and Adam. I guess even Lowe, Bartsch Hackley and Dixon, although I love all their prowess. if the latter two make olympic rosters, I would be satisfied and ready to move on. I'd love to see some current stars in the USA gym vying for a olympic spot OH: Mckaela Foecke, Kathryn Plummer, Roni Jones Perry, Jacqueline Quade, Wilhite-Parsons, Yossiana Pressley, Leah Edmond, and Adora Anae. MB: Chiaka Ogbogu, Lauren Stivrins, Dana Rettke, Ronika Stone, Rhamat Alhassan, Shelly Fanning (Rachel Kramer, Gneiting/Eschenberg, Brionne Butler)* * because last season, I thought Kramer was god awful and the others have an entire collegiate career to grow yet. OPP: Danielle Cuttino, Brittany Abercrombie, Stephanie Samedy, Willow Johnson (for his leftie brigade), Taylor Bannister and Jordan Thompson* *I'm super curious how she really works and performs against competition, love to see her play in Big10. S: SSS, Jordyn Poulter, Hancock, Lilley, Hunter L: Mary Lake, Kendal White, and Morgan Hentz Could be missing a few that I overthought but. So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. I don't know if some people have too much love for the college game or that they are unfamiliar with the international volleyball scene and the level that is required to compete at the the top international tournaments to be in contention for a podium stand. Whatever the reason though, what's the best alternative?
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 10, 2019 8:22:54 GMT -5
So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. I don't know if some people have too much love for the college game or that they are unfamiliar with the international volleyball scene and the level that is required to compete at the the top international tournaments to be in contention for a podium stand. Whatever the reason though, what's the best alternative? SSS will never set the national team. She is just far too small and frankly, carlini and poulter are better and I think those two along with Hancock will be the top 3 in whichever order for the next 4 years at least. Maybe jelly hunter will make a push.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 10, 2019 8:25:21 GMT -5
What worries very much is the libero position. Benson is not doing well at Dresden this season, and I kinda give up on JWO already. Is Kelsey stuck at libero on NT? She is a very good defensive OH at clubs. I really can't wait to see some REAL good liberos who not only swell in NCAA but also on the international stage. Karch seems down on her sometimes, but I don't know how Hentz doesn't get a look at. She'd outplay Robinson now, but I don't think she'll have an opportunity for 2020 unfortunately. It is sad that he’s so stubborn that he can’t give the best collegiate libero of all time a look. Hagglund was also insanely good and he never really gave her a shot... played Kayla banwarth over her.... hentz should be 100% given a chance. Robinson just isn’t that good defensively
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