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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 9:47:44 GMT -5
I would love to see a total refresh after Tokyo. Bye to Larson, Foluke, Gibbemeyer, Lloyd, Murphy, Hill, Drews and Adam. I guess even Lowe, Bartsch Hackley and Dixon, although I love all their prowess. if the latter two make olympic rosters, I would be satisfied and ready to move on. I'd love to see some current stars in the USA gym vying for a olympic spot OH: Mckaela Foecke, Kathryn Plummer, Roni Jones Perry, Jacqueline Quade, Wilhite-Parsons, Yossiana Pressley, Leah Edmond, and Adora Anae. MB: Chiaka Ogbogu, Lauren Stivrins, Dana Rettke, Ronika Stone, Rhamat Alhassan, Shelly Fanning (Rachel Kramer, Gneiting/Eschenberg, Brionne Butler)* * because last season, I thought Kramer was god awful and the others have an entire collegiate career to grow yet. OPP: Danielle Cuttino, Brittany Abercrombie, Stephanie Samedy, Willow Johnson (for his leftie brigade), Taylor Bannister and Jordan Thompson* *I'm super curious how she really works and performs against competition, love to see her play in Big10. S: SSS, Jordyn Poulter, Hancock, Lilley, Hunter L: Mary Lake, Kendal White, and Morgan Hentz Could be missing a few that I overthought but. So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. Veterans are important! They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. There’s no reason to put all of our resources into the. For 2024 games, No, I'd keep Lowe if she can continue to grow. You're the first person I've seen to ever defend Carlini. But yet, all of these players are already graduated or graduated shortly, where they'd have a full quad or so of professional ball and training. The libero position, if we can get our liberos actually playing professionally, we should be good. But also, i've seen Larson for 3 Olympics now and I don't think she is as terminal as she once was. Larson Libero?? I'd love that. I don't know if Foluke, Adam and Gibbemeyer could make it to 2024. Lloyd is having too many issues, Murphy isn't a terminal attacker. Hill and Bartsch could probably do another games after but that'd make them mid 30s. Drews is just too error prone. Dixon could make it to 2024. I think the ones from current roster to make it to 2024 would most likely be Lowe, Dixon, and maybe Bartsch/Hill.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 9:49:46 GMT -5
So do you want us to lose a lot for a few years? I think people’s love of current college players gets in the way of reasonable opinions. Ditch Lowe and Carlini because they’re so ancient and replace them with Brittany Abercrombie and SSS?? I have to laugh. Veterans are important! They serve a purpose in the gym. The college game is much weaker than it was a decade ago. There’s no reason to put all of our resources into the. Yeah, the college game is weaker, but those players from a decade ago are getting old. We are going to have a painful transition and are at risk of losing for a few years regardless, simply because we haven't really integrated the best players from the interim generations who have either quit or haven't been a "fit" for the team or system (but let's not get into that......) at basically every position - but particularly on the pins (the most important ones). The players we are integrating right now are players like Bartsch (who just turned 29) or Lowe - who lost really valuable development opportunities on "sabbatical" - and I'm not sure are going to be in position to bridge he gap to the next generation smoothly. It also doesn't appear like anybody at the S or L positions is the answer either, and we're only looking to bring in players there out of absolute necessity. At middle we have good depth, but there's also been a decided lack of turnover despite our current group aging or dropping level - maybe Ogbogu can be the player this summer to reverse that trend. Foecke and Plummer and whoever else comes out of college in the next year or two is basically going to have to be dominant from the get-go, or Team USA is going to take a big step back. On the plus side, this will probably force us to be more flexible in terms of system, which can only be a good thing. I think Ogbogu will be a big star this summer and make a big argument for 2020 roster. Foecke and Plummer should be the next big stars on the outside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 9:55:12 GMT -5
When we say it’s not working, are we just referencing the 2018 world championships? The US was completely outmatched by the top teams. But, keep perspective the US was a couple points away from a gold medal match in Rio and won gold in 2014. True, we’re missing a go to player like Egonu, Boskovic, and Zhu. Hooker should of been included in 2016 as she was that player then. Club and college system may be to blame for that by placing athletic athletes into the middle position rather than exploring pins. The only potentials I see could possibly be Lowe (too error prone) and Plummer, and I don’t see any indication that she get a chance to compete for a spot. I really like Poulter. She seems to elevate every team she’s on. Hooker has had her best club season since the beginning of her career. I think she could make a more than good enough argument for Karch to get his sh*t together and invite her back.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 10, 2019 9:58:00 GMT -5
You're the first person I've seen to ever defend Carlini. @tangotango I found you another friend!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 9:58:32 GMT -5
I don't know if some people have too much love for the college game or that they are unfamiliar with the international volleyball scene and the level that is required to compete at the the top international tournaments to be in contention for a podium stand. Whatever the reason though, what's the best alternative? SSS will never set the national team. She is just far too small and frankly, carlini and poulter are better and I think those two along with Hancock will be the top 3 in whichever order for the next 4 years at least. Maybe jelly hunter will make a push. We literally had a 5'8 setter lead us to two consecutive silver medals at the games... SSS is not that small... lol
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Post by ericleo on Apr 10, 2019 10:20:08 GMT -5
I don't think size is SSS's issue. The setting skill should be the ultimate evaluation metric. I'd love to see SSS competing against the other four/five setters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 10:27:18 GMT -5
SSS will never set the national team. She is just far too small and frankly, carlini and poulter are better and I think those two along with Hancock will be the top 3 in whichever order for the next 4 years at least. Maybe jelly hunter will make a push. We literally had a 5'8 setter lead us to two consecutive silver medals at the games... SSS is not that small... lol What does SSS provide to the team that taller setters like Poulter can't? Whether we've had shorter setters in the past is largely irrelevant. It just strikes me that you can get just about everything SSS gives you from the Poulters and Carlinis of the world, but get several extra inches along with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 10:35:30 GMT -5
Larson - 33 Foluke - 32 Gibby - 31 Carly - 31 M.B.H - 30 Hill - 30 Adams - 30 Kelly - 30 Dixon - 28 Kelsey - 28 Hancock - 27 Lowe - 26
8 players over 30 - They should be called "The Fab 30".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 10:37:26 GMT -5
Not saying SSS will (or will not) set the US National team, but this "she's far too small" is a quite odd statement, considering she's taller than Hancock who has gotten some recent looks from the national team... She's also maybe one inch shorter than Carli Lloyd...
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 10, 2019 10:38:29 GMT -5
We're not even prioritizing blocking out of our middles that much, so not sure why it would be a definitive need for a setter.
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Post by donut on Apr 10, 2019 11:02:22 GMT -5
We literally had a 5'8 setter lead us to two consecutive silver medals at the games... SSS is not that small... lol What does SSS provide to the team that taller setters like Poulter can't? Whether we've had shorter setters in the past is largely irrelevant. It just strikes me that you can get just about everything SSS gives you from the Poulters and Carlinis of the world, but get several extra inches along with it. I mean, it's not irrelevant if there are past examples of coaches choosing shorter setters over taller setters of similar skillsets, and winning (the ultimate test of "did this choice work out?"). Berg over Glass is a good example, especially because Glass had 4-5 inches over Berg. I also think it diminishes the individual skillsets/talents of these athletes to just say, "they're all good enough at this level, let's just go with the tallest!" I think SSS brings 1) more quickness to the position, 2) the ability to drastically improve the second ball, and 3) proven experience successfully setting a fast system. #1 and #3 are especially vital in the USA's current system. I'm not convinced an extra 2-3 inches automatically cancels out the individual contributions SSS could potentially make to our NT, just like Hugh obviously wasn't convinced an extra 4-5 inches cancelled out Berg's contributions to the starting role.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:19:42 GMT -5
I agree that you don't go with an inferior setter just because they're taller. Much like I would say you don't play a left-handed hitter at OPP instead of a superior right-handed hitter, but you know, crazy things happen.
I think you're right about SSS being quicker than others. Definitely quicker than Poulter and Carlini. I also think she's part-Gumby with an amazing ability to set from her knees. On point 2, I think other setters are also quite skilled at improving the 2nd ball. I think SSS is flashier at that skill than others, but not necessarily better. And, I know she improved at this, but I also thought SSS's defense wasn't as strong as others, not just her ability to block. I know Hugh subbed her out for a blocker on occasion.
I am not a coach or scout, so take my thinking with a grain of salt, but I kind of view the setting/running the offense abilities of SSS to be about equivalent with those of Poulter, Carlini, Hunter, etc. That is where blocking (height) and defense would come into play to separate the wheat from the chaff. I wouldn't have any issue with SSS being the setter, though. If she is, she'll have earned it. But, I don't expect it.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 10, 2019 11:29:38 GMT -5
SSS will never set the national team. She is just far too small and frankly, carlini and poulter are better and I think those two along with Hancock will be the top 3 in whichever order for the next 4 years at least. Maybe jelly hunter will make a push. We literally had a 5'8 setter lead us to two consecutive silver medals at the games... SSS is not that small... lol Karch’s system is deifferent tho. SSS is a good at location and defense, but I’m not sure Karch would allow her in the front row. Karch said during the semi final with Nebraska and Illinois that poulter had a better build to play pro. Even if we take out size, poulter and carlini are still better
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Apr 10, 2019 11:36:38 GMT -5
Not saying SSS will (or will not) set the US National team, but this "she's far too small" is a quite odd statement, considering she's taller than Hancock who has gotten some recent looks from the national team... She's also maybe one inch shorter than Carli Lloyd... I think your measurements are a little off...Hancock is taller & Lloyd is 5'11" I believe...
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Post by donut on Apr 10, 2019 11:37:05 GMT -5
We literally had a 5'8 setter lead us to two consecutive silver medals at the games... SSS is not that small... lol Even if we take out size, poulter and carlini are still better Why?
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